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angelbaby's mom · 11-14-2005, 10:57 AM

Cheryl,

Thank you so much for the link. Great information and food for thought. I see what you are saying about breeding "pet-quality" dogs without papers. I would never consider breeding my girls if they were not registered. They are, however, and so is the potential stud. I would definitely register the litter. I also have put together most of the tools needed for the whelping process. I've been doing this a little at a time, so as to be able to handle the cost better. Also, I have had the girls checked out regularly with my vet, and before I breed, they will be tested for any genetic abnormalities. God forbid, but if any are found, I will spay her & never look back.

I do have a mentor who has bred for several years, and home-raises all of her dogs (6 of them). She is so willing to answer my questions, but I like to get multiple perspectives before I begin.

Again, thank you for the link. I've printed the information out and I'm adding it to my now-thick file of "Yorkie Info".

SoCalyorkiLvr · 11-14-2005, 02:04 PM

I mean no offense when I say this, but I just wanted to say that in my opinion there is much more reason to breed "pet quality" than show quality yorkies. I say this because I am so much more in favor of dogs as pets rather than show animals. Pets serve such a fabulous need for people...they reduce stress, they teach unconditional love, they teach responsibility for another living creature which teaches kindness and compassion.....just think about what you have learned from your pets throughout your life and the "firendship" they have given you and you will see exactly what I mean.

If you make the argument about too many dogs in general needing homes, then you would have to be in favor of a BAN on all breeding period, for that to have logic.

90% of the people on this forum got their dogs from pet breeders and do not show their dogs. There are only 500+- YTCA breeders in the entire country so the majority of good breeders of yorkies are not show breeders but rather, pet breeders. The fact that yorkies are in demand and not typically found in the shelters (or if they are they find homes quickly) is how I can rationalize continuing to breed them. It is a wonderful breed and if we banned all breeding because the shelters were full, we would lose the breed.

As for registration and "papers", again, the AKC is the most recognized Dog Club in the country, but they have a terrible animal rights record, and they continue to promote puppymills by continuing to register the puppies produced by them. Until they stop this practice, I find it hard to support them in any way. I prefer the American Pet Registry which is quicky gaining ground and favor over AKC.

In fact, although my Princess Chai's parents were both AKC, her breeder chose to register APRI because APRI recognized the different colors way before the AKC did and so their historical records on parti-color and chocolate yorkies is more accurate. While the AKC has recently changed their policy on this they used to register a parti-colored or a chocolate as a traditional black and tan or black and silver as they had no other color options. Ridiculous but true.

Anyway, please do not feel any gulit for your desire to breed your baby and please know that you are doing right by her by doing this research and learning all you can and having a mentor. I commend you.

If you need to breed her to a shorter legged mail, then this may be what is necessary to compensate for her legginess, but those on here with longer legged yorkies will i am sure tell you that they are just as lovig and just as loveable as their shorter legged counterparts.

After all, long legs is just an aesthetic or cosmetic thing havint to do with appearance and has nothing to do with temperament which the most important thing in a pet.

PM me if you would likeme to put in touch with Princess Chai's breeder as she is very knowledgeable about the partis, the chocolate and the different registries and their histories.

angelbaby's mom · 11-14-2005, 02:54 PM

I agree with EVERYTHING you just "said". In fact, it makes me angry when I read about how show dogs are treated. But, tell me how to PM you? What is that?

SoCalyorkiLvr · 11-14-2005, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by angelbaby's mom

I agree with EVERYTHING you just "said". In fact, it makes me angry when I read about how show dogs are treated. But, tell me how to PM you? What is that?

There is a banner right above this page that says "Welcome angelbaby's mom" and then in blue underlined it says "Privat mesages". Clikc there and you can check you messages from other members and send new ones OR you can click on my unsername and it will have "send a private message" as an option. Either way works. I would look for your PM.

diva pup · 11-16-2005, 07:14 PM

"As for registration and "papers", again, the AKC is the most recognized Dog Club in the country, but they have a terrible animal rights record, and they continue to promote puppymills by continuing to register the puppies produced by them. Until they stop this practice, I find it hard to support them in any way. I prefer the American Pet Registry which is quicky gaining ground and favor over AKC."

Kim, The APRI registry is a FAVORITE of the puppy millers. Where DO you get your information???
The AKC may have its faults but to say that these other off the wall registries are better is ludicrous. Of the the registries favored by mills APRI and CKC are probably at the TOP of the list.
As a matter of fact, I had a small time miller tell me he was switching from AKC to APRI BECAUSE of the strict rules the AKC was imposing on him, including inspection of his premises and DNA. PLEASE do not spread such misinformation!!!!

SoCalyorkiLvr · 11-18-2005, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by diva pup

"As for registration and "papers", again, the AKC is the most recognized Dog Club in the country, but they have a terrible animal rights record, and they continue to promote puppymills by continuing to register the puppies produced by them. Until they stop this practice, I find it hard to support them in any way. I prefer the American Pet Registry which is quicky gaining ground and favor over AKC."

Kim, The APRI registry is a FAVORITE of the puppy millers. Where DO you get your information???
The AKC may have its faults but to say that these other off the wall registries are better is ludicrous. Of the the registries favored by mills APRI and CKC are probably at the TOP of the list.
As a matter of fact, I had a small time miller tell me he was switching from AKC to APRI BECAUSE of the strict rules the AKC was imposing on him, including inspection of his premises and DNA. PLEASE do not spread such misinformation!!!!

There are many many more puppymill dogs registered with AKC than with APRI. I was relating the story about APRI regardng their record of registering historically correct colors. I am sure you are right that none of the registries are great when it comes to turning down puppymills with money to pay to regster their dogs, but AKC is the biggest and would have the best chance of making a difference and getting rid of puppymills if they stopped registering puppies from them.

I am NOT spreading "misinformation" as nothing I posted was inacccurate.

sylvan · 11-18-2005, 10:25 AM

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There is a handy dandy IGNORE button available on this site for things that should be ignored.

crystalsmom · 11-18-2005, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by angelbaby's mom

I agree with EVERYTHING you just "said". In fact, it makes me angry when I read about how show dogs are treated. But, tell me how to PM you? What is that?

I give up, I really do.

sylvan · 11-18-2005, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by crystalsmom

I give up, I really do.

Don't give up Joan, most people are smart enough to figure out the truth of things in the end.

crystalsmom · 11-18-2005, 10:42 AM

post # 17 first paraghaph ( what are you thinking) I read no further than that so
there could be worse.

11-18-2005, 10:42 AM	#25
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11-14-2005, 10:57 AM	#16
angelbaby's mom YT Addict Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: OK, but Texas soon! Posts: 326	Cheryl, Thank you so much for the link. Great information and food for thought. I see what you are saying about breeding "pet-quality" dogs without papers. I would never consider breeding my girls if they were not registered. They are, however, and so is the potential stud. I would definitely register the litter. I also have put together most of the tools needed for the whelping process. I've been doing this a little at a time, so as to be able to handle the cost better. Also, I have had the girls checked out regularly with my vet, and before I breed, they will be tested for any genetic abnormalities. God forbid, but if any are found, I will spay her & never look back. I do have a mentor who has bred for several years, and home-raises all of her dogs (6 of them). She is so willing to answer my questions, but I like to get multiple perspectives before I begin. Again, thank you for the link. I've printed the information out and I'm adding it to my now-thick file of "Yorkie Info".

11-14-2005, 02:04 PM	#17
SoCalyorkiLvr BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,246	I mean no offense when I say this, but I just wanted to say that in my opinion there is much more reason to breed "pet quality" than show quality yorkies. I say this because I am so much more in favor of dogs as pets rather than show animals. Pets serve such a fabulous need for people...they reduce stress, they teach unconditional love, they teach responsibility for another living creature which teaches kindness and compassion.....just think about what you have learned from your pets throughout your life and the "firendship" they have given you and you will see exactly what I mean. If you make the argument about too many dogs in general needing homes, then you would have to be in favor of a BAN on all breeding period, for that to have logic. 90% of the people on this forum got their dogs from pet breeders and do not show their dogs. There are only 500+- YTCA breeders in the entire country so the majority of good breeders of yorkies are not show breeders but rather, pet breeders. The fact that yorkies are in demand and not typically found in the shelters (or if they are they find homes quickly) is how I can rationalize continuing to breed them. It is a wonderful breed and if we banned all breeding because the shelters were full, we would lose the breed. As for registration and "papers", again, the AKC is the most recognized Dog Club in the country, but they have a terrible animal rights record, and they continue to promote puppymills by continuing to register the puppies produced by them. Until they stop this practice, I find it hard to support them in any way. I prefer the American Pet Registry which is quicky gaining ground and favor over AKC. In fact, although my Princess Chai's parents were both AKC, her breeder chose to register APRI because APRI recognized the different colors way before the AKC did and so their historical records on parti-color and chocolate yorkies is more accurate. While the AKC has recently changed their policy on this they used to register a parti-colored or a chocolate as a traditional black and tan or black and silver as they had no other color options. Ridiculous but true. Anyway, please do not feel any gulit for your desire to breed your baby and please know that you are doing right by her by doing this research and learning all you can and having a mentor. I commend you. If you need to breed her to a shorter legged mail, then this may be what is necessary to compensate for her legginess, but those on here with longer legged yorkies will i am sure tell you that they are just as lovig and just as loveable as their shorter legged counterparts. After all, long legs is just an aesthetic or cosmetic thing havint to do with appearance and has nothing to do with temperament which the most important thing in a pet. PM me if you would likeme to put in touch with Princess Chai's breeder as she is very knowledgeable about the partis, the chocolate and the different registries and their histories.

11-14-2005, 02:54 PM	#18
angelbaby's mom YT Addict Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: OK, but Texas soon! Posts: 326	I agree with EVERYTHING you just "said". In fact, it makes me angry when I read about how show dogs are treated. But, tell me how to PM you? What is that?

11-16-2005, 07:14 PM	#20
diva pup BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,139	"As for registration and "papers", again, the AKC is the most recognized Dog Club in the country, but they have a terrible animal rights record, and they continue to promote puppymills by continuing to register the puppies produced by them. Until they stop this practice, I find it hard to support them in any way. I prefer the American Pet Registry which is quicky gaining ground and favor over AKC." Kim, The APRI registry is a FAVORITE of the puppy millers. Where DO you get your information??? The AKC may have its faults but to say that these other off the wall registries are better is ludicrous. Of the the registries favored by mills APRI and CKC are probably at the TOP of the list. As a matter of fact, I had a small time miller tell me he was switching from AKC to APRI BECAUSE of the strict rules the AKC was imposing on him, including inspection of his premises and DNA. PLEASE do not spread such misinformation!!!!

11-18-2005, 10:25 AM	#22
sylvan YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Eastern PA Posts: 2,484	[QUOTE=diva pup] QUOTE] There is a handy dandy IGNORE button available on this site for things that should be ignored.