question of dog cost

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by shodanusmc

Why you are exactly correct in all you say. Book learning and reading the web. Why when I was a young 17 at Marine Boot in Parris Island, they told all of the instructors and DI's to take the 2+ months off, and we were all issued books written in comic book fashion, and that was to be our main instruction. We read books on Weapons, shooting, grenades, Tactics, first-aid, hand to hand combat, maneuvers, offense and defense, fire team and squad tactics, Physical training, and the best, we never had to run or do forced marches because it was all in the book. I agree, why learn from the experts, those that have done it, when you can read a book and go cheap! Now I will say, it all went to hell when we opened the plane doors and walked of into a mortal attack.

What a wonderful reply! That's one of the things I love about you, you have such a different perspective on things, but it often is right on the button!

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

What a great analogy. Just how I'd want our men in uniform to be trained in protecting the US, not to mention a quick way to sending our young man to their death.

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

What a wonderful reply! That's one of the things I love about you, you have such a different perspective on things, but it often is right on the button!

Agreed! Most don't like and even get offended with a car analogy, or when yorkies get compared to any other purchase. Well, this one involves humans and hits the nail on the head. Great reply marine!

[shodanusmc]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

What a wonderful reply! That's one of the things I love about you, you have such a different perspective on things, but it often is right on the button!

We actually were not issued any books to read, and the Drill Instructors were there 24/7 to make life miserable, and they did their best to train and prepare us on what we would soon be facing. But as hard as they tried, and as hard as we tried, it did not make any sense until you first heard what you thought were bee's buzzing around your ears, and then the realization that that they were not bee's, but the sound of bullets whizzing by. First time I heard a B-52 strike I was not prepared for the noise or the consussion. Same as with how Napalm sucks the air right out of your lungs. Ahh, the memories.

[Muffie]

Hello everyone My name is Jessica and I am owned by three crazy YT! Louis, Sophie and Muffie. I would love for some one to help and mentor me if you will. I would love be owned by another YT but one CH bloodlines. I know that most YT owners who have CH bloodline would not just let anyone take one home. So how do you get to know someone who would be willing to show me the "ropes"? Thanks!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Muffie

Hello everyone My name is Jessica and I am owned by three crazy YT! Louis, Sophie and Muffie. I would love for some one to help and mentor me if you will. I would love be owned by another YT but one CH bloodlines. I know that most YT owners who have CH bloodline would not just let anyone take one home. So how do you get to know someone who would be willing to show me the "ropes"? Thanks!

Finding a mentor is not easy. You must begin by attending dog shows, joining a breed club, or an all breed club. A mentor/prodigy relationship is built on mutual trust, integrity and honesty. A mentor will look in your heart before they will mentor you.

[crete456]

Well get ready to sell a kidney to purchase a puppy...I was at a dog show recently in Pennsylvania and ask a show breeder what a PET quality pup would go for...remind you PET quality...$1600...but for people that responded to this post thats a drop in the bucket...where I live people are just getting by and struggling to put food on the table...unless you sell show pups that is...and I wonder if all that income is claimed on their 1040's...I know a boxer breeder who has produced many champions and asks tens of thousands of dollars for a show quality pup...if I'm spending that much the pup better do the laundry, drive me to work, cut the grass,etc.,etc,...do yourself a favor...see, put a label on a pup...(CHAMPION BLOOD LINES) and people will sell there 1st born...read my first response and you can produce your own Champion...showing is a LOT of POLITICS...breeders get together and stack the deck...any breeder knows what I mean...I've bred and shown boxers...theres no guarantee a pup from a show breeder will be healthy it's entire life...see if you can get a lifetime guarantee from a breeder...

[shodanusmc]

$1600 could be an outstanding price for a pup, if it has been breed to the standard, vetted, comes from good lines, tested, healthy, support, and references.

I do not believe I would sell you a pup, at any price. So far, each one of your 5 posts has just gotten worse. Did the Boxer Forum run you off?

I will type slow so you understand,,,,,the purchase of the dog is the cheap part. Buy the breeder first, and then the dog. You are about to koin 2 others I have on ignore.

[shodanusmc]

Originally Posted by crete456

Well get ready to sell a kidney to purchase a puppy...I was at a dog show recently in Pennsylvania and ask a show breeder what a PET quality pup would go for...remind you PET quality...$1600...but for people that responded to this post thats a drop in the bucket...where I live people are just getting by and struggling to put food on the table...unless you sell show pups that is...and I wonder if all that income is claimed on their 1040's...I know a boxer breeder who has produced many champions and asks tens of thousands of dollars for a show quality pup...if I'm spending that much the pup better do the laundry, drive me to work, cut the grass,etc.,etc,...do yourself a favor...see, put a label on a pup...(CHAMPION BLOOD LINES) and people will sell there 1st born...read my first response and you can produce your own Champion...showing is a LOT of POLITICS...breeders get together and stack the deck...any breeder knows what I mean...I've bred and shown boxers...theres no guarantee a pup from a show breeder will be healthy it's entire life...see if you can get a lifetime guarantee from a breeder...

See if you can get a lifetime guarantee on a kid, or a car, plane, train, snowblower, or ant farm.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by crete456

Well get ready to sell a kidney to purchase a puppy...I was at a dog show recently in Pennsylvania and ask a show breeder what a PET quality pup would go for...remind you PET quality...$1600...but for people that responded to this post thats a drop in the bucket...where I live people are just getting by and struggling to put food on the table...unless you sell show pups that is...and I wonder if all that income is claimed on their 1040's...I know a boxer breeder who has produced many champions and asks tens of thousands of dollars for a show quality pup...if I'm spending that much the pup better do the laundry, drive me to work, cut the grass,etc.,etc,...do yourself a favor...see, put a label on a pup...(CHAMPION BLOOD LINES) and people will sell there 1st born...read my first response and you can produce your own Champion...showing is a LOT of POLITICS...breeders get together and stack the deck...any breeder knows what I mean...I've bred and shown boxers...theres no guarantee a pup from a show breeder will be healthy it's entire life...see if you can get a lifetime guarantee from a breeder...

What you write only informs me that you are one that is not willing to do the footwork.

As for producing your own Champion, can't be done, not without a good foundation. Sorry, been around too long and have witnessed those with that same idea have to scrap their entire breeding program and start from scratch.

If you don't have the money to start with a good foundation, then you don't have the money or have any business breeding.

No, there's no guarantee a dog will be healthy it's entire life, but what makes a breeder reputable is how they stand behind their lines. And yes, I do know several breeder exhibitors that to provide a lifetime guarantee against life threatening genetic defects. Another difference is that their lines have been tried and true. And if you're starting with a dog from nowhere, you have no earthly idea what is in it's genetic background. There is no guarantee said dog will not produce genetic defects. There is no genetic marker to tell you if a dog is a carrier. That is where obtaining a dog from a breeder that has established lines comes in handy. But, then keep in mind we don't readily let our dogs go to just anyone. After all we're breeding for ourselves first, so in that aspect you're right. It's tough to get a dog from us and will only place a dog in the most deserving of hands. One that will protect lines and aren't into just to breed dogs and sell puppies. And by the way, there are plenty of us that have looked into a prodigy's heart and "placed" show dogs, at the right age with newbies that have the right qualifications.

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by crete456

Well get ready to sell a kidney to purchase a puppy...I was at a dog show recently in Pennsylvania and ask a show breeder what a PET quality pup would go for...remind you PET quality...$1600...but for people that responded to this post thats a drop in the bucket...

You are hilarious! I was unemployed for 8 months, have a job in a non-profit. (underpaid, and unappreciated) But if I would have been smart and gotten a yorkie from a reputable breeder, $1600 would have been worth it. Guess what I have instead? A "cheap" pup who is the love of my life, has behavior issues, grade 3/4 LP's (which means constant worry and maybe a few $k's in surgery in my near future). You might not be able to see past initial costs so you are missing the big picture. If you want to bitch and complain about the costs of a dog, don't get one.

Initial cost $300
Neuter $350
Yearly checkups $220 a year
Food $50 a month ($600 a year)
Toys $50 a month (it would be less but he goes through squeakers like crazy!)
($600 a year)

So, if Kaji lives to be 15 years old. That's over $18,000!!!! Who could afford that? That figure doesn't even include emergency vet visits, or medication.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by shodanusmc

$1600 could be an outstanding price for a pup, if it has been breed to the standard, vetted, comes from good lines, tested, healthy, support, and references.

I do not believe I would sell you a pup, at any price. So far, each one of your 5 posts has just gotten worse. Did the Boxer Forum run you off?

I will type slow so you understand,,,,,the purchase of the dog is the cheap part. Buy the breeder first, and then the dog. You are about to koin 2 others I have on ignore.

It's very frustrating that newbies come on here and issue such cavalier advice. The sad thing is that other newbies come on here to get an education and get the wrong information.

[shodanusmc]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

It's very frustrating that newbies come on here and issue such cavalier advice. The sad thing is that other newbies come on here to get an education and get the wrong information.

You are on target, as always. I had best stop posting on this tread as I fear a ban being iminent!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by shodanusmc

You are on target, as always. I had best stop posting on this tread as I fear a ban being iminent!

It is tough to control oneself...but, you know what to do.

[tegamom1]

Originally Posted by crete456

You have no idea what your talking about...by your reply "I'll type slow" just shows what type of person you are...I'll pay 10,000 for a Champion so I can charge $10,000...Justify your price...I challenge all of you so called breeders!!!!...for all in this forum to see...I gave someone advice...If you look at my first response...yet no one has said that that's not what your suppose to do...It is what your suppose to do...You go and get your so called Champion pup from your so called Champion breeder...I know of many people who have pups rescued from a shelter and have lived long healthy lives...or maybe was it the reporting your income to the IRS!!!!!sorry soldier boy...U lose

Besides totally missing what everyone is trying to explain to you, I feel you were extremely disrespectful. You reference to "soldier boy"...It's fortunate you're not in reaching distance...I can not tolorate anyone being disrespectful to anyone who has served our country! They say, ignorance is bliss.. I wonder....

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by crete456

Well get ready to sell a kidney to purchase a puppy...I was at a dog show recently in Pennsylvania and ask a show breeder what a PET quality pup would go for...remind you PET quality...$1600...but for people that responded to this post thats a drop in the bucket...where I live people are just getting by and struggling to put food on the table...unless you sell show pups that is...and I wonder if all that income is claimed on their 1040's...I know a boxer breeder who has produced many champions and asks tens of thousands of dollars for a show quality pup...if I'm spending that much the pup better do the laundry, drive me to work, cut the grass,etc.,etc,...do yourself a favor...see, put a label on a pup...(CHAMPION BLOOD LINES) and people will sell there 1st born...read my first response and you can produce your own Champion...showing is a LOT of POLITICS...breeders get together and stack the deck...any breeder knows what I mean...I've bred and shown boxers...theres no guarantee a pup from a show breeder will be healthy it's entire life...see if you can get a lifetime guarantee from a breeder...

I don't breed, never have, never will. But even around here- a pet quality puppy mill dog easily runs nearly $1000.00 . So it doesn't surprise me at all that a breeder would sell a pet-quality dog for more. But I'll bet you dollars to donuts that their version of pet quality comes a lot closer to breed standard than anything I can buy off the internet or my local pet shop.

I hear a lot of show breeders get trashed by newbies and am always surprised by it. Yes, someone can champion a dog they bought on the cheap IF that dog won the genetic lottery. Breed standards are breed standards for a reason. I'm sure there is some politicing involved, too- it's called life. Though it always seems to me that when someone starts complaining about crownieism or favoritism it's because they perceive themselves to be on the outside. And rather than admitting that perhaps they (and their breeding program) isn't up to snuff, it's just much easier to blame it on others. Showing isn't a cheap proposition by any means. Lots of time and money go in to it. One of the common misperceptions about showing that I had was that the whole purpose of showing was vanity. I didn't know that the real reason was to get approval for breeding stock.

Are Ch line dogs any healthier than others? Depends on the line. But then again, a really good breeder is working on their lines to breed not only the best physical representation of the breed, but the healthiest as well. They invest a lot of money in to pre-breeding health testing and certifications. A great breeder will stop breeding lines if health problems show up, because they know that the whole point of breeding is to IMPROVE the line- not just multiply it.

Bottom line, if the upfront cost of the dog is your main concern- then Yorkies probably aren't the dog you should be interested in. The breed is prone to a myriad of health problems because of BYB's who decided to try and bypass the system and do things on the cheap.