Microchipping

[bellemarie]

Originally Posted by 816Tuesday

I bought my puppy from a commercial breeder. The lame excuse that breeders care so darn much about the future lives of every single puppy they sell is ridiculous! Why pay extra money to have an invasive object that comes with potential risks implanted? I think certain breeders do this in order to maintain a hold on each pet. When you sell something, let it go! Or like the other lady said, put the new owners info. on the chip. Also, if you want to talk cruel and painful, what do you think a puppy feels when you twist its tail off and cut its claws off? Oh, thats right, it won't remember! See, anyone can say anything to justify what they want to do. The pet owners with these implants have a right to know the potential risks and reasons behind such procedures. You attacking me just shows you don't care how the owner feels, just yourself.

we aren't talking cars here! living creatures, remember? and fyi, if the tails etc bit was aimed at me- im in the uk.
all my dogs wear collars and tags, but because for health reasons and safety they are walked on harnesses, their collars are always Very loose, so could easily slip off. i also said to put the breeders name as the secondary, and owner first, why not take that up with your breeder; why assume every breeder wants to maintain a hold in a negative way, surely thats a good thing- that they show they care? i don't simply sell my pups and be done with it- i care about them. i will always take back and re-home puppies if needed, by offering that does that seem like i am maintaining a hold on them in a bad way? also, it is up to the new owner to to a bit of research on their new pet- you can't expect the breeders to o All the work for you (not you individually, but pet owners in general).
puppies are not how most of us on YT make our money- like commercial breeders do- not livestock, members of our families. we don't have dozens of litters per year. i can remember every single puppy i have raised and homed by name and picture... commercial breeder couldn't- there are too many... whole other kettle of fish.
and also, an attack on you? this is just a conversation on an open forums thread. its how they work- from differing opinions.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by 816Tuesday

Oh, one last thought on this microchip business: Research has been shown as to how many pets get reunited with owners by chip, but where is the research on how many pets get reunited with their owners by the good ol name tag and collar? My dad and brothers lost many a dog on coon and rabbit hunts, the dogs were always returned due to the tag. Maybe we should all question the logic of all this, and put our pet's safety first. Also, to those who don't know, laws are being passed that force everyone with a cat, dog, horse, cow and other private owned animals to microchip them. What is the real meaning of all this? Who is benefiting financially? What is happening to your privacy?

The reason for passing laws to microchip is so if a dog is abandoned or dumped at a shelter, it can be traced back to the breeder. As breeder I want to know if my dogs are ending up in a shelter. I'm thinking a tattoo might be a better option, they can't cut that out.

Breeders should be held ultimately responsible for the life of the animal, but people who purchase or adopt an animal should also be held responsible, becfaude they would be the ones that abvandoned or dumped them.

I cannot imagine why any caring, responsible dog owner would not be happy that their dog was chipped. If your dog is stolen a collar and tag can be removed, it never occured to me that someone would actually remove the chip.

As far as privacy, only people who have something to hide need privacy.

[BonBon]

Originally Posted by kalina82

did you cut the microchip out of your own dog???????

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Those good old fashioned collars and tags can get caught on things causing you dog to be choked to death. Why not just ask the breeder to transfer it to you? rather than to preform surgery on your dog.

816Tuesday, did you cut the microchip out of your pet?

[bellemarie]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

The reason for passing laws to microchip is so if a dog is abandoned or dumped at a shelter, it can be traced back to the breeder. As breeder I want to know if my dogs are ending up in a shelter. I'm thinking a tattoo might be a better option, they can't cut that out.

Breeders should be held ultimately responsible for the life of the animal, but people who purchase or adopt an animal should also be held responsible, becfaude they would be the ones that abvandoned or dumped them.

I cannot imagine why any caring, responsible dog owner would not be happy that their dog was chipped. If your dog is stolen a collar and tag can be removed, it never occured to me that someone would actually remove the chip.

As far as privacy, only people who have something to hide need privacy.

like if someone is willing to cut open their dog to remove a chip because the breeders details is on it?

also, my dexter (a rescue) has the details of his previous owners on his chip. his momma had to leave him behind when she left the home, leaving him to be used as a chew toy/ bait dog by their bigger dog and to be thrown across the room by his (now broken in 2 places) leg- which got a lollipop stick tied to it at the time... i cant get in touch with his previous momma, i also can't get the chip which is registered to her husbands address removed or changed, so i'm in trouble if i ever lose him- but he does have a council license tag on him- and i would search the entire country to get him back if need be.
of course i Could remove the chip myself and get another one put in, but i don't really fancy A. breaking the law or B. cutting open my dog without anesthetic just so my details are on the chip... and i think i have a better reason than you for wanting it removed- but hey, i could be wrong... it happens!

and yes- we can only assume that cutting it out herself is exactly what she meant as she didn't denied it once. also, is such a thing allowed on this YORKIE LOVING site? along with breeding an under ideal sized girl?

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Bitsy

Are you breeding the dog you took the chip out of? I remember a post from you asking about breeding a 4 lb female with a 2 1/2 lb male (I may not have this exactly right, that is why I am asking.

Does the breeder you got the dog from know you are breeding them (if you are that is?). Do you have unlimited AKC registration? I think that is what you need to breed AKC dogs, but I am not real knowledgeable as I never intend breeding any dogs.

Do you mind sharing where you got the dog from? You said commercial breeder, and I am unfamiliar with that term. Does that mean puppy miller, hobby breader, etc?

Let me clear things up a bit.
1. A breeder can have a micro-chip implanted, but doesn't have to have it registered to anyone. It is a requirement though to have your dogs identified. So, instead of tattoo a micro-chip is implanted.

2. If a pup is sold and has the micro-chip implanted the paper work is handed over to the new owner so they can register the pup.

3. As far as the expense....It is minimal. Owners can purchase chips and implant them themselves (this is where the problem comes in, inept in implanting).

4. Reputable breeders that I know purchase the chips & scanner, but have their vet's implant, when a pup is purchased, registration is handled by the new owner.

All my dogs have micro-chips and I can't feel them, unless I really push down...It's the size of grain of rice. The chips have not moved......they are in the same place they were implanted. As far as cancer causing.....geez, the air they breath can cause cancer. Some foods cause kidney failure. Some foods to high in protien can cause problems. Other foods too high in fat can cause pancreatitis.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by BonBon

816Tuesday, did you cut the microchip out of your pet?

Sounds like it to me too

[miabellaamoure]

Originally Posted by 816Tuesday

I bought my puppy from a commercial breeder. The lame excuse that breeders care so darn much about the future lives of every single puppy they sell is ridiculous! Why pay extra money to have an invasive object that comes with potential risks implanted? I think certain breeders do this in order to maintain a hold on each pet. When you sell something, let it go! Or like the other lady said, put the new owners info. on the chip. Also, if you want to talk cruel and painful, what do you think a puppy feels when you twist its tail off and cut its claws off? Oh, thats right, it won't remember! See, anyone can say anything to justify what they want to do. The pet owners with these implants have a right to know the potential risks and reasons behind such procedures. You attacking me just shows you don't care how the owner feels, just yourself.

Please bear in mind that nobody has attacked you here...but, if you keep spewing whatever your agenda is and your ambiguous description as to how the microchip "fell out" of your dog...I can almost guarantee that you will hear a pretty heated discussion on the matter.

As they say...if you keep poking the dog, you're bound to get bit!

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by bellemarie

like if someone is willing to cut open their dog to remove a chip because the breeders details is on it?

also, my dexter (a rescue) has the details of his previous owners on his chip. his momma had to leave him behind when she left the home, leaving him to be used as a chew toy/ bait dog by their bigger dog and to be thrown across the room by his (now broken in 2 places) leg- which got a lollipop stick tied to it at the time... i cant get in touch with his previous momma, i also can't get the chip which is registered to her husbands address removed or changed, so i'm in trouble if i ever lose him- but he does have a council license tag on him- and i would search the entire country to get him back if need be.
of course i Could remove the chip myself and get another one put in, but i don't really fancy A. breaking the law or B. cutting open my dog without anesthetic just so my details are on the chip... and i think i have a better reason than you for wanting it removed- but hey, i could be wrong... it happens!

and yes- we can only assume that cutting it out herself is exactly what she meant as she didn't denied it once. also, is such a thing allowed on this YORKIE LOVING site? along with breeding an under ideal sized girl?

Couldn't you just have a second chip put in? I doubt that those people would admit who they are even if someone did contact them. That is really sad, but also so why dogs should be chipped so people like that can be held responsible.

Perhaps you could have him tattooed. I'm not sure how that works, those numbes must be registered somewhere.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Couldn't you just have a second chip put in? I doubt that those people would admit who they are even if someone did contact them. That is really sad, but also so why dogs should be chipped so people like that can be held responsible.

Perhaps you could have him tattooed. I'm not sure how that works, those numbes must be registered somewhere.

The Tattoo #'s are not registered anywhere. The reasoning for dog identification is set by AKC.

[miabellaamoure]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

The Tattoo #'s are not registered anywhere. The reasoning for dog identification is set by AKC.

And tatooing is painful whereas most chips are implanted in a second or under anaethesia during a spay.

[bellemarie]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Couldn't you just have a second chip put in? I doubt that those people would admit who they are even if someone did contact them. That is really sad, but also so why dogs should be chipped so people like that can be held responsible.

Perhaps you could have him tattooed. I'm not sure how that works, those numbes must be registered somewhere.

i did ask my vet about a second chip, but with both in there, it would be 50/50 whos chip would be scanned...
he is registered in the ladys name, and she surrendered him to a freind who privately rehomes dogs, but the son called her a few months later asking for the dog back to resell (it isn't his, but i'd be afraid he'd ransome him or something- he does seem crazy! dexx was on his seat, which is why he was tossed against the wall). if i had his breeders info on the chip though, i could have gotten Them to put me on it if thats how it works!!!
need to add again, Dexx is Not His dog... he was his mothers bought and paid for by her, and registered in Her name. even the counsil agree that he is legally mine.

i imagine in the near future he will have to have his leg removed- he's only 4ish bless him! so my vet has already said that when that is being done, he will call the chip registry and local council to inform them he is removing the chip with an abusive ex-owners details on it to implant a new one (goodness knows we have the evidence to back the claim), but it cannot be done as a primary procedure as it is classed as cosmetic, and if he was given an anesthetic Just for that is when it gets sketchy legally. i doubt he would ever run away (touch wood) so i'm not overly worried about it too much; his collar fell off him a few times, but he picks it up and brings it back to have it put on again (collar equals belonging to us, he never had one before)...

i'll definitely ask them if they would tattoo him though- i don't know why i never considered that!
as for it hurting, could they not numb the area with a cream- when i was constantly getting bloods taken etc as a child, i had no pain threshold, so they used 'magic cream' (i dont know its name, i was 6!) to numb my arm 100%... or would that not work with dogs? i supose sitting still would be an issue?

[yorkietalkjilly]

I would prefer to buy from a breeder who cared enough about their puppies' ultimate welfare to place a chip and have both of us registered for contact, just in case. To me that shows a caring and responsibility to the breed they perpetuate far beyond health, conformation or dollars. It shows they care about my dog. Breeders with this level of caring will not sell a Yorkie to just anyone who calls to buy but place their pups very carefully in truly caring homes; and if all breeders were like them, there would be far fewer animal health and welfare issues in our country.

[together4ever]

Molly was six months old when she was microchiped.
Our area county animal shelter was hosting an event and the microchip was
$35.00.

She is registered with Petwatch.com.


I went on their website and registered all the info.
If your pet is ever rehomed, the info can be changed.

[Beamers Mom]

Originally Posted by miabellaamoure

And tatooing is painful whereas most chips are implanted in a second or under anaethesia during a spay.

I don't know how painful it is, but when I fostered dachsies seized from a puppy mill I had to take them to Hillsborough County Animal Control to have them treated for heartworm. When I picked them up they had been tattooed with HCAC and a number. They told me this was so if ever they were picked up anywhere they would be able to identify them and call the rescue group for the new owners info.
But I ended up keeping them, and after several years those tattoos faded.
A microchip won't fade.

I just can't believe that someone who cares for their furbaby would remove a microchip themselves. It is a procedure that should only be done by a vet as it is risky and requires an anaesthetic.

How to Remove a Microchip from a Dog

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Beamers Mom

I don't know how painful it is, but when I fostered dachsies seized from a puppy mill I had to take them to Hillsborough County Animal Control to have them treated for heartworm. When I picked them up they had been tattooed with HCAC and a number. They told me this was so if ever they were picked up anywhere they would be able to identify them and call the rescue group for the new owners info.
But I ended up keeping them, and after several years those tattoos faded.
A microchip won't fade.

I just can't believe that someone who cares for their furbaby would remove a microchip themselves. It is a procedure that should only be done by a vet as it is risky and requires an anaesthetic.

How to Remove a Microchip from a Dog

I cannot see that 816tuesday had the best interest of the dog in mind when she did surgery on her dog in her home. What next, a C section?

If she thought it caused pain going in, imagine how painful it must have been to be taken out.