Help/Ideas please

[nana911]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

That's interesting, I didn't know that. Now here I am thinking, there's fresh goat's milk? LOL

That's funny.. not too long ago I got caught too. Someone told me how much shredded pineapple to use for the poop problem and I"m asking shredded? I've never seen shredded, wth? Someone else had to point out 'crushed'. DUH!

[smartpuppiepets]

Originally Posted by Barbi1977

"There is a recipe somewhere for whelping pudding.

You vets advice is probably good but generic. If one of the breeders on here gives you a recipe, I would go with that. Your vet knows dogs, They know yorkies. I have heard evaporated goats milk is better than evaporated cows milk. "

We tried the whelping mix.. but the goats milk did not sit well on Abby's stomach which is why we changed it to the evaporated.

Well,
It seems that you got my suggestion the wrong way ... anyways, i happen to have a lot of experience with c-sections, small and large dogs as well... family of breeders so get 3 generations of experience and end up on me... anyways, when i suggested the a/d food it was just to avoid the stomach upsets the pudding can cause.
The pudding works wonders for the whelping moms that had free delivers, but the c-section mommies are more delicate.
anyways, you take any advice you think will suit better for your situation, but if you use the a/d food will increase her milk production considerably and it is very easy to digest . Of course you do not have to try it if you do not want to but tons of experience had proven to me that it is what works the best on that situation. I even tried "recovery" once per my vet's suggestion... not as good as the a/d for the first couple weeks.
I saw you asking about the cottage cheese to increase milk production and avoid eclampsia... we will see different opinions on this here, but my experience is that may cause a through up here and there following a c-section , so not what i do.
Of course whatever dry food or food you are feeding would be supplemented by the a/d , it does not need to be given by itself, although it is what i do for the first 4 days following a c-section, except for large breeds that eat a lot so we mix... but i have no large breeds, i just help a friend here and there when i can.
Anyways, the puppies look plump and healthy , now it is only a matter of keeping everyone going .
XOXO

[Barbi1977]

just checking in. Everyone is doing really well. Mom is all perky and seems back to herself, and is taking very nice care of the pups, keeping them clean, laying with them without being placed to do so.

They all go to the vet on Monday for weigh checks, tail docketing will post weights on all when we get back.

[mypreciouspups]

Originally Posted by Barbi1977

just checking in. Everyone is doing really well. Mom is all perky and seems back to herself, and is taking very nice care of the pups, keeping them clean, laying with them without being placed to do so.

They all go to the vet on Monday for weigh checks, tail docketing will post weights on all when we get back.

Glad to hear all is doing well.. will watch for updates

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Barbi1977

just checking in. Everyone is doing really well. Mom is all perky and seems back to herself, and is taking very nice care of the pups, keeping them clean, laying with them without being placed to do so.

They all go to the vet on Monday for weigh checks, tail docketing will post weights on all when we get back.

I'm surprised that your vet will do them at day 5. Mine says day 3 or 4.

I'm glad that Momma is taking good care of them.

[Elle]

I can't read through this. This is not an accident, it's intentionally being cruel to a helpless innocent tiny little girl. They are not stuffed animals!

Have any of them died? Where did the parents come from?

[Elle]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I'm surprised that your vet will do them at day 5. Mine says day 3 or 4.

I'm glad that Momma is taking good care of them.

Mine says day three. But other vets, I have heard can take up to five.

[smartpuppiepets]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I'm surprised that your vet will do them at day 5. Mine says day 3 or 4.

I'm glad that Momma is taking good care of them.

Tails can be docked 20 min after puppies are born or from day 2 to day 7 depending on the situation, between days 2 and 5 ideal to do tails and dewclaws.
It varies from the preference of who is doing it.
After day 10 it should not be done as it may cause damage to the peripheral nerves on the vertebrae, but still can be done with the help of rubber bands ( not that i recommend it ) , it is a painful process that can take up to 7 days .
If all is well there is no point on not doing it on the right days it can safely be done.
XOXO

[Elle]

Originally Posted by Barbi1977

wow... you guys. I wish the mod would aprrove my post!

1. she was not bred on freaking purpose! I did NOT want her bred until she was at least 2-3 years old.

2. Everyone went to vet today and i was informed the nurse wrote down and gave me the wrong weight on abby. she is almost 5 pounds

3. mom IS on a diet that I RESEARCHED HERE

4 Abby has been going to the vet very regularly since we discovered her PG

5. We DID take all procautions for her heat other than kick Bailey out of the house... again THIS WAS NOT PLANNED!!

Thanks for asking... Puppies are doing Awesome. vet says they are gaining great weight and was very happy to see the mixure diet that I have her on.

anyways, I am truly sorry i posted here. Be protective is great... being like this is simply shameful. Had i NOT been concerned had I NOT been worried had I NOT given a Sh*t I would not already have a HUGE vet bill, have the vets home number, spent more time at the vets in the last 2 months than most do in 3 years.... but nothing I say is going to make any of you understand nor change your thoughts... it is what it is... we had unplanned pupps, and did the BEST we could with the Situation.

1. She was bred on purpose. She wasn't spayed, she wasn't protected. You purposely allowed her to get pregnant. You knew she was in heat, you put an intact dog (s) with her.
2. If you have a yorkie puppy, you should know her weight. Especially if she is pregnant or just had puppies. You should have a scale. Weight is not like blood work, it's not something you need a vet tech's help with. Any responsible yorkie mom can give you an idea of how much their yorkie puppy weights. She is a baby herself.

3. Responsible yorkie moms don't have intact dogs and bitches living as PETS. This is not healthy, it's not good for the bitch nor the dog.

I'm more put off by her age than her weight, as bizzare as it may be. See, I think of how new yorkie moms feel about having a new puppy. Maybe I could accept you not knowing about the size threatening her life because you bred big dogs. But the fact hat you didn't even allow her to go through one heat, not one much less two. You knew she was too small to breed. You wanted her to be pregnant. But you did not love her enough to think of how it will effect her. Now that you've robbed her of her own childhood she will be changed forever. You forced all this on her. Little girls her age are playing with toys today having fun with their families, look at what yours is doing.

That photo is heartbreaking. She's not even 1 yrs old, 2.4 lbs? You don't even know anything about the breed yet. You have to be a parent before a breeder. Why her? Why hasn't anything been mentioned about neutering the dog that is intact?

I just can't accept this. She is a baby, a tiny baby.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by smartpuppiepets

Tails can be docked 20 min after puppies are born or from day 2 to day 7 depending on the situation, between days 2 and 5 ideal to do tails and dewclaws.
It varies from the preference of who is doing it.
After day 10 it should not be done as it may cause damage to the peripheral nerves on the vertebrae, but still can be done with the help of rubber bands ( not that i recommend it ) , it is a painful process that can take up to 7 days .
If all is well there is no point on not doing it on the right days it can safely be done.
XOXO

This seems barbaric to me and it is beyond me why you would even bring something like this up Do you really think that she needed to be told this after having a 2.4 lb 11 month old puppy having puppies? OMG! She might decided to go this route now!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Barbi1977

"There is a recipe somewhere for whelping pudding.

You vets advice is probably good but generic. If one of the breeders on here gives you a recipe, I would go with that. Your vet knows dogs, They know yorkies. I have heard evaporated goats milk is better than evaporated cows milk. "

We tried the whelping mix.. but the goats milk did not sit well on Abby's stomach which is why we changed it to the evaporated.

There ae two recipes posted as stickies in the breeders section.
Goats Milk and Distilled water and a bit of Karo. Nothing else for supplementing pups. Goat's Milk is the closests thing to mothers milk. However, you must administer Benebac a pro biotic anytime you're changing/adding puppy food. It should also be administered to the dam.

There is a whelping pudding recipe for moms and of course can be used at weaning time. It's also a sticky in this section. Both are my recipes and my mentor's recipes and so on and so on......

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

This seems barbaric to me and it is beyond me why you would even bring something like this up Do you really think that she needed to be told this after having a 2.4 lb 11 month old puppy having puppies? OMG! She might decided to go this route now!

I agree. Although, there are vets that have docked tails on older dogs. But, it's performed with a laser, with no damage to vertebrae.

Also, what hasn't been mentioned here is that pups shouldn't have their tails/dew claws removed unless the pup is close to 7 ounces. This has to do with their ability to adequantely maintain their blood sugar levels.

[Elle]

You are going to have to DNA test the liter.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

I agree. Although, there are vets that have docked tails on older dogs. But, it's performed with a laser, with no damage to vertebrae.

Also, what hasn't been mentioned here is that pups shouldn't have their tails/dew claws removed unless the pup is close to 7 ounces. This has to do with their ability to adequately maintain their blood sugar levels.

I am so glad that you were able to clear up any confusion about the proper methods of docking tails. I'm still shocked that rubber bands were even suggested as a method to dock.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Elle

Mine says day three. But other vets, I have heard can take up to five.

3 to 5 days, depending on the weight of the pups. That's the deciding factor. However, if there is a premature litter, it can be done up to 7 days.