Yorkshire Terrier Club of Ethical Hobby Breeders

[AMD]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

Not to take this off topic..although that was abridged several pages back...why would you say biewers are "obviously" a mix?

In essence what you suggested is the path Mr. Biewer took with his dogs. The VDH (German equilivant of AKC) denied to allow him to show his dogs. He continued to develop the breed and had them accepted as a breed of their own in 1989 with ACH German e.V.

As stated earlier....hence the quotes.

[gardenyorkies]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

You cannot establish a new breed based on color. Since they are first and foremost, yorkies they fall under the YTCA. the German registries did not have this requirement therfore the Biewers were able to become a breed by themselves. But that is also why the AKC does not recognize the Biewer but it does recognize the parti.

Hope that answers your question

PS I believe that the AKC requires 3 breeds to be mixed to create a new breed.

Biewers are not recognized by the AKC because they are not recognized in the FCI which is the German registry..The registry that they are registering the Biewer overseas is not an acceptable registry for AKC...

[GreenwoodBiewer]

Originally Posted by AMD

As stated earlier....hence the quotes.

I'm sorry, but you are mistaken.. and where ever the "quotes" came from were in error also.. the Biewer is not a mixed breed.. based on pedigree and history, it is a pure breed dog. It is treated as such in it's country of origin and also in this country. Just wanted to help clear up any confussion.

Diana

[AMD]

Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer

I'm sorry, but you are mistaken.. and where ever the "quotes" came from were in error also.. the Biewer is not a mixed breed.. based on pedigree and history, it is a pure breed dog. It is treated as such in it's country of origin and also in this country. Just wanted to help clear up any confussion.

Diana

I didn't say it was...I was quoting an earlier statement.
But I didn't mean it as the Biewer was being mixed.

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by gardenyorkies

Biewers are not recognized by the AKC because they are not recognized in the FCI which is the German registry..The registry that they are registering the Biewer overseas is not an acceptable registry for AKC...

Or the German registry VDH. Biewers, however, have been accepted into Russia's RFK...which is a recognized foreign registry by AKC. The Russian biewers participated in the CACIB-FCI Eurasia show in Moscow this past March. This is the largest show held in Russia.

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by AMD

Okay, I'm respectfully curious...so just asking

[with all respect for everyone]

Why doesn’t/didn’t the parti get its own breed recognition instead of fighting for AKC Yorkshire Terrier and be bred in opposition to the standard? Apparently the parti and biewer are the same dogs but biewers are "obviously" mixed anyway? Isn't that just fighting for a position which is often seen as unethical, when they could have their own breed standard, their own breed ring, be shown honestly and be bred according to standard? Even if they were originally purebred bloodlines... breed type has been changed anyway!? IMO they'd have a tremendously greater chance at improving the breed. Call them American Parti Terriers...or whatever seems fit.

Many reputable breeders are also exhibitors so they are going to breed to standard. (I didn’t say reputable breeders are all show breeders; or all show breeders are reputable) If the parti works its way toward a new standard then you’re going to get more breeders who breed for the betterment since there is a standard of perfection for them. I would think it’s going to take an awfully long time to get anywhere without.

Since the YTCA has already addressed the tri-color and if the AKC is truly not going to allow any more varieties, is there anything to continue fighting for besides a new breed standard?

I understand you can’t just breed a new color and call it a new breed, but are there not several other accepted breeds that were originally bred from other accepted breeds? They are very closely related but are separate breeds NOW with separate standards. Yes it’s going to take a lot of time work and dedication, but in the end the parti will end up with what they want without fighting indefinitely. Seems to me there's plenty of dedication. But partis been fighting for 4 years and have only gotten a DQ for white. So continue fighting in the same direction???

It seems like there isn’t a need to fight an eternal battle, when there could be another way with a proper approach to get these dogs accepted and showing that makes ALL passionate breeders happy. Seems like there would be way more reputable breeders that would get into the bloodline for the betterment of the breed. I don’t think there’s much hope to better the breed until they conform to standard. I'm sure there are many very reputable breeders who actually like the parti-color but will not breed because it's in opposition to the standard.

It is not my attempt to judge or condemn anyone...I really see a possibility for the partis to have full acceptance that makes all passionate breeders happy, and a route that will open the door for incredible opportunities to improve the breed. Win/Win!?

Sorry so long

good post!! And very diplomatic too!!

[gardenyorkies]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

Or the German registry VDH. Biewers, however, have been accepted into Russia's RFK...which is a recognized foreign registry by AKC. The Russian biewers participated in the CACIB-FCI Eurasia show in Moscow this past March. This is the largest show held in Russia.

Yes Deb that is correct!...

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by gardenyorkies

Yes Deb that is correct!...

.....

[AMD]

Wow So the Biewer will be AKC recognized soon?

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by AMD

Thanks!
So partis would've had to approach a new standard from the get go?
How is the parti any different from the other breeds that branched from another?

They are not different, the rule is the same for all breeds. Perhaps in the, past the AKC had different rules, but it's not so easy now to start a new breed.

Partis could never have been a new breed because they are yorkies. They have always been around, but years ago they destroyed them, or gave them away and denied that they existed.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by AMD

Wow So the Biewer will be AKC recognized soon?

Not likely because the AKC believes they are yorkies.

[AMD]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Not likely because the AKC believes they are yorkies.

But if they're registered by a recognized foreign registry by AKC...

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by AMD

Wow So the Biewer will be AKC recognized soon?

Sooner or later.... there are still steps to be taken.

When a breed is accepted in the AKC FSS program...they are placed in the miscellaneous class for 3 years and then reviewed again. Some breeds never get any further recognition. So even were they accepted TODAY...it will still be years before full AKC recognition.

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Not likely because the AKC believes they are yorkies.

That's not the reason. There were no foreign registries that recognized the breed that AKC accepted. That's it...plain and simple.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by AMD

But if they're registered by a recognized foreign registry by AKC...

But the German registry denied them.