Yorkshire Terrier Club of Ethical Hobby Breeders

[Breny]

Originally Posted by topknot

Since you are going to tag along with your friend to shows - you then can show your dogs.
I have a hard time too, my hubby has had heart issues, but I always find a way to show. It is like going to a family outting. My daughter is coming with me to my next show. It is a lot of fun and worth the effort.

Ohh I'm sure she will get me in there I've learned alot from her and I'm sure will even teach me more!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by puppylove11

Here we go again.

We all know an excellent handler can champion any dog for a "hobby breeder", it does not mean the dog meets the standard and is a healthy dog! If one has the extra money they could champion every dog they own. If you know the right judge, right handler, etc! So just because one shows their dogs or hires a handler does not mean they are breeding to the standard or producing healthy litters. As much as I hate to state this again "just because a person is a member of the ytca does not make them reputable or mean they are breeding to better the breed".

You are right a professional handler can Champion a dead cat. Once again it comes down to ethics and integrity. If one is Championing dogs just for the shear purpose of how many dogs one can Champion that is one thing. If one is seriously working to improve the breed, that is another thing. There are more exhibitors that are personally showing their own dogs than those that are placing their dogs with handlers to be championed.

I for one don't have the time or money to follow judges around just because I know them or depend on them to put my dogs up.

As I stated before Mother Clubs do have codes of ethics and conduct and they are there as guidelines. However, one doesn't have to be a member to follow them.

We can all find justification for what we do. However, if one has ethics, integrity and honesty.....their reputation will preceed them.

I for one hate breeding/whelping.....Maybe it comes from too much studying and understanding the responsibilities that go along with it. Knowing that with every given whelp the dangers are there.

[topknot]

Originally Posted by BaxtersMommy

I think many would be surprised at the numbers of people (on YT) who would be interested in showing one day. I have been to shows here in Dallas and will continue to go and learn. Continue on with your passion, and don't worry about others opinions or terminology. I still think healthy pups should be every breeders top priority.

JMO - Healthy pups/dogs are number one, but health should also include bone structure/movement, etc.. that comes with going to shows and learning about our standard and having experts judge your dogs. One can have rose color glasses on and really believe that their yorkies are really good representation of the breed and in reality they are not. It is all part of the learning curve. Just rmember me - first time in the ring I thought I had a really nice yorkie...LOL Don't get me wrong, I really loved her (Chrissy), she had the body, but her coat was very sparse. I think back now if I had breed her - what would I have produced. I am glad that I learned and still learning and that comes with not only educating myself through reading but going to the shows and surrounding me with experts in this field. We talk, they talk, I listen.

[rbelland]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

You are right a professional handler can Champion a dead cat. Once again it comes down to ethics and integrity. If one is Championing dogs just for the shear purpose of how many dogs one can Champion that is one thing. If one is seriously working to improve the breed, that is another thing. There are more exhibitors that are personally showing their own dogs than those that are placing their dogs with handlers to be championed.

I for one don't have the time or money to follow judges around just because I know them or depend on them to put my dogs up.

As I stated before Mother Clubs do have codes of ethics and conduct and they are there as guidelines. However, one doesn't have to be a member to follow them.

We can all find justification for what we do. However, if one has ethics, integrity and honesty.....their reputation will preceed them.

I for one hate breeding/whelping.....Maybe it comes from too much studying and understanding the responsibilities that go along with it. Knowing that with every given whelp the dangers are there.

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by topknot

JMO - Healthy pups/dogs are number one, but health should also include bone structure/movement, etc.. that comes with going to shows and learning about our standard and having experts judge your dogs. One can have rose color glasses on and really believe that their yorkies are really good representation of the breed and in reality they are not. It is all part of the learning curve. Just rmember me - first time in the ring I thought I had a really nice yorkie...LOL Don't get me wrong, I really loved her (Chrissy), she had the body, but her coat was very sparse. I think back now if I had breed her - what would I have produced. I am glad that I learned and still learning and that comes with not only educating myself through reading but going to the shows and surrounding me with experts in this field. We talk, they talk, I listen.

I have always wondered how breeders who do not show can claim they are breeding to the standard. Who evaluates the dogs they breed? How can you claim you are trying to improve the breed if you don't even know what you are breeding?

[topknot]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

I have always wondered how breeders who do not show can claim they are breeding to the standard. Who evaluates the dogs they breed? How can you claim you are trying to improve the breed if you don't even know what you are breeding?

My point exactly.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

I have always wondered how breeders who do not show can claim they are breeding to the standard. Who evaluates the dogs they breed? How can you claim you are trying to improve the breed if you don't even know what you are breeding?

I think it is very hard to truly learn in all the ways we need to about the breed without going to shows, watching, listening, asking questions. But I do understand that not everyone does have the money, or the freedom to go to the shows alot. But there are some very good educational videos, there are videos of dog shows showing movenment, stacking, etc. There are probably some online learning programs for dog genetics(although) I've not looked them up. The internet has expanded one's ability to research and to learn so much.
The thing is it all takes time, networking, and trying to find the right places and people to learn from, if you so desire to learn. It takes a passion for and a desire to do "right" by the breed. It takes restraint not to breed when your beloved dog is not a good representative of the breed. And finally it does take money set aside enought to cover emergencies, health tests and checks, so that you can give the absolute best care for your dogs n pups.

To me a hobby breeder is one who has an abiding passion for the breed, a deep knowledge and understanding of the breed, a desire to at the minimum maintain the quality and the standard of the breed, and hopefully the desire to improve on the breed. They invest oodles of time and of money to learn, to contribute, and finally one day to breed. They will have very few litters in a year, one maybe two. They know their risks, they honor their responsibilities and they support in the ways they can, all reputable breed organizations

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

You are right a professional handler can Champion a dead cat.

Note to self: Invest in a dead cat.

[Disney]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Note to self: Invest in a dead cat.

Thanks you for making me spit tea on screen!

[gemy]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Note to self: Invest in a dead cat.

LMAO

[peachbongi]

Originally Posted by topknot

My point exactly.

I'll be at the next show! I've decided I am not doing this half a**.

[smartpuppiepets]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

Just one?

This is what I have found...if you put 100 show breeders in a room...10% will be people you will want as good friends. 80% will be a mixture of nice, decent people who may come and go in your life..and the last 10% have at some point in their life made a pact with Satan...I avoid those people.

KKKK

Had a great laugh reading this post !
XOXO

[smartpuppiepets]

Originally Posted by chachi

I have seen hobby breeder defined as the same as a byb or someone who breeds for the betterment of the breed so I think it all depends on whose defing it

There is a huge difference between one and the other. I have seen people using the words "hobby breeder" just to try to look somewhat reputable, and in fact they are BYB, back yard breeders.

Probably the best definition I have found so far to answer "What is a back yard breeder (BYB)?" is this one:
"The average pet owner that breeds their dog(s)."

Why are back yard breeders a problem? Well, they just breed dogs for the sake of it or to make some money, to keep an offspring or "to have another just like this one i love, or even to allow my dog to be a parent just one time before i get it fixed, for my kids to experience the birth experience... etc... reasons like that. They may have a sweet pet they want to try and reproduce or they think that their dogs are quality because they have papers and/or are registered with some registry. Most of the time they think they can make a few dollars selling pups, etc. They just put out dogs without real consideration for the future of not only the breed but the puppies produced.

Often, BYBs breed dogs with faults. This perpetuates fault and problems in the breed. They do nothing to prove their dogs are of sound temperament and that they are breeding good representatives of the breed, etc. They just breed. they have no clue of what a OFA is, and they do not want to have any education on the health issues. They justify themselves saying : my dogs never had anything wrong with them!

Often a BYB will sell puppies "cash only" and no health guarantees or contract are offered beyond the local laws obligate , well, most of the time they dont know about local lemon laws. They also sometimes try to pass as reliable by offering a "vet health certificate" , this is one just like the ones we get to travel with our dogs, it just proves that at the time the pup was taken to a vet, the vet did not see any signs of any communicable diseases or illness. That vet health certificate "thing" does not prove anything beyond the day the pup was seen by that vet and in most states it expires within 7 days.

There is HUGE difference between a BYB and a hobby breeder who breeds to improve their dogs and takes RESPONSIBILITY on the puppies that are produced. I could go on and on here ... and other YTalkers would pitch in and add ...
But so much have already been written about the difference between these.

I my self never seen a educated person define BYB and Hobby breeder as the same thing !

XOXO

[YorkieRose]

Originally Posted by peachbongi

I'll be at the next show! I've decided I am not doing this half a**.

I do think it is possible to produce a quality Yorkie and not show..but you MUST be closely connected and involved with show breeders. Buying show stock and using a tip top stud is the only way I have seen breeders produce good, better, best over and over.

We all see pictures of "pretty" Yorkies on pet breeders sites..seen lots in person..but when I actually see the dog in the flesh, many times the breeder has no clue a fault was evident. IE...two weeks ago I saw a 7 mos old bitch puppy and the breeder never noticed the overbite...of course you do not have to show to recognize a bad bite..but too many of us can become kennel blind and we need to "mingle" with the best to recognize the best and pursue it.

When a pet breeder says.."this bitch or that dog is show quality, but it is hates the ring, won't show..then guess what..it is not show quality...that makes it a pet.

Because Yorkies are second most popular AKC breed it is more important now then ever to protect and perserve the breed..I can not remember the last time I saw a Yorkie here in south FLorida that looked like a Yorkie..aside from two weeks ago at the Specialty...sad but true.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by smartpuppiepets

There is a huge difference between one and the other. I have seen people using the words "hobby breeder" just to try to look somewhat reputable, and in fact they are BYB, back yard breeders.

Probably the best definition I have found so far to answer "What is a back yard breeder (BYB)?" is this one:
"The average pet owner that breeds their dog(s)."

Why are back yard breeders a problem? Well, they just breed dogs for the sake of it or to make some money, to keep an offspring or "to have another just like this one i love, or even to allow my dog to be a parent just one time before i get it fixed, for my kids to experience the birth experience... etc... reasons like that. They may have a sweet pet they want to try and reproduce or they think that their dogs are quality because they have papers and/or are registered with some registry. Most of the time they think they can make a few dollars selling pups, etc. They just put out dogs without real consideration for the future of not only the breed but the puppies produced.

Often, BYBs breed dogs with faults. This perpetuates fault and problems in the breed. They do nothing to prove their dogs are of sound temperament and that they are breeding good representatives of the breed, etc. They just breed. they have no clue of what a OFA is, and they do not want to have any education on the health issues. They justify themselves saying : my dogs never had anything wrong with them!

Often a BYB will sell puppies "cash only" and no health guarantees or contract are offered beyond the local laws obligate , well, most of the time they dont know about local lemon laws. They also sometimes try to pass as reliable by offering a "vet health certificate" , this is one just like the ones we get to travel with our dogs, it just proves that at the time the pup was taken to a vet, the vet did not see any signs of any communicable diseases or illness. That vet health certificate "thing" does not prove anything beyond the day the pup was seen by that vet and in most states it expires within 7 days.

There is HUGE difference between a BYB and a hobby breeder who breeds to improve their dogs and takes RESPONSIBILITY on the puppies that are produced. I could go on and on here ... and other YTalkers would pitch in and add ...
But so much have already been written about the difference between these.

I my self never seen a educated person define BYB and Hobby breeder as the same thing !

XOXO

Then you need to get on other dog forums or google hobby breeder because they do. They say its because they dont show so thier dogs aqrent evaluated and arent involved in rescue and some other reasons. I didnt mean to offend you or anyone else with that statement its not my opinion. I did some research today on the meaning of hobby breeder and thats what I came up with.