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07-25-2010, 08:37 PM | #31 |
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| It might be a better idea to start a new thread about the little mama. I'm so sorry she isn't feeling well.
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07-26-2010, 04:44 AM | #32 | |
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07-26-2010, 04:47 AM | #33 |
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| Can I ask you a few questions? I see that as a breeder you are trying to do the right then and I applaud you for that. Second, to come on a forum like this and admit that is so honest and honorable. Did you contact the owners of the breeding pair you have? Did you ask them about LS in their lines? Have you had your vet contact their vet regarding this issue? I ask this because in my 12 years of breeding I had one person call about a pup that supposively had a LS. I asked for paperwork on this pup and to have my vet examine the pup and to do testing. They provided that and I had the pup tested. All was normal and the pup never did have a shunt. Some BAT are off because the owners do not follow the fasting rules or the blood is drawn wrong. So without proof or your vet checking with the other vet you have no way of knowing for sure about the shunt. IMO. I do stand behind my puppies 100% however I am not so naive to believe everything that is said. I was burned once by that and never again. I replaced a pup and had both parents spayed and neutered only to find 1 year down the road the dog was healthy and they had bred the dog with limited registration and were selling pups without papers after I have given a full refund and allowed them to keep the dog. I wish you luck with your babies. |
07-26-2010, 04:52 AM | #34 | |
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all the best to you ! It's too bad there aren't more out there willing to step up and do what's best for the female when in this type of situation. | |
07-26-2010, 12:32 PM | #35 | |
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07-26-2010, 02:55 PM | #36 | |
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I just do not trust people, not with my babies. As I have heard many times "you can't fix stupid" | |
08-01-2012, 10:22 AM | #37 |
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| Should someone purchase a puppy and the only thing in the contract indicates The Buyer has forty-eight (48) hours from the date of sale to have the puppy/dog checked by a veterinarian at the Buyer’s expense. If the Buyer’s vet exam reveals the puppy/dog to have a life threatening genetic disease that occurred in-utro the Buyer must send a full written report by a Licensed Examining Veterinarian within 24 hours of the exam. Seller does not occur any veterinarian costs incurred from the Buyer. If the Buyer decides to have the puppy/dog treated by their veterinarian, the Seller will not be responsible for veterinary costs. The pup is 9 months old taken to the vet for vomiting and just not feeling well. Vet gives a shot and seems to be doing fine and then two days later starts the same symptoms again and the vet draws blood says liver enzymes are elevated no xray shows obstruction. Vet then responds this is typical of yorkies and will require surgery, for liver shunt gives the puppy a shot and sends it back home. Does this sound normal for the vet to be this way, does he really think it is a liver shunt? Shouldn't he be wanting to perform more testing to be sure? This was told to the breeder and the breeder said he would refund their purchase price of the puppy and take the puppy back and take to his vet and should it be a liver shunt will in turn take the necessary measures to treat the puppy. Is this resonable of a breeder? |
08-01-2012, 10:46 AM | #38 | |
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In terms of the breeder this is perfectly reasonable, in so far as they will refund the price of the puppy, and take puppy back for treatment. How-ever where there other options given by the breeder? What does the health guarantee state?
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08-01-2012, 10:53 AM | #39 |
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| From what I have seen there is no other indication of health guarantee I may be overlooking it is a poor quality fax that was sent to me. It didn't sound reasonable to me, I think in rural area's when a yorkie comes in not feeling well the vets automatically jump to conclusions. I know liver enzymes can be elevated because the little one may have eaten something that was toxic, or could have gotten access to zinc and could be a result of many things. From what I gather there has been no schedule to perform bile acid test or any other tests. I think the breeder is willing to take the puppy back and offer a full refund of the purchase price. He indicated being aware even though the parents were tested and were cleared of genetic defects that this could just be one of those things that can occur from generations, and it is possible the two were possibly carriers and it was unknown until this occured. |
08-01-2012, 11:39 AM | #40 | |
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In your initial post I understood that what you thought was unreasonable was the breeder's response. If it was the vet's then I stand by my original response. The BATS test is a Specific blood test to delineate further the liver function. It requires fasting before a first blood draw, then eating, then taking another blood draw. Just ask the vet to do a BATS test; all vets should be experienced and aware of how to do this. The cost is only about $50 or so. Let us know what the numbers are. If the numbers are way way off the board that is not good news.
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08-01-2012, 02:14 PM | #41 | |
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I completely agree with all above. ANY of us, God forbid, can throw a shunt from any of the best pedigrees out there....I so pray for the discovery of the genetic marker that will allow us to KNOW if the precurser is present in any breeding dog. It is WHAT a breeder does after you discover you have this propensity to produce shunts in a breeding pair, that separates the wheat from the shaft! I think you must assume the cost of the surgery, the diagnostics used to determine the diagnosis, and refund half the cost of the pup. That is what my heart tells me I personally would need to do to make this right. I do not know if you have other breeding stock. Pull the pedigrees on the pair that threw this shunt. I would go back at least 12 generations......study intently......mark everywhere breedings were tripleling up on any breeding....make note of WHO these dogs were, out of what line.....and DO NOT CROSS THESE STRONG LINE BREEDINGS AGAIN. That will help avoid this for you in the future...but it is only one part of the formula....but it is a start. I agree also about communication with either Dr.Tobias' group or Dr.Center.....I have never communicated with Dr.Center but she has obviously also be highly beneficial and productive to this research development. Last edited by Yorkiemom1; 08-01-2012 at 02:16 PM. | |
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