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We are fortunate to not have a huge mosquito problem here. I do not give mine heartworm meds. k Owensk9. It is unfortunate that you refuse to look at the latest research for the sake of your dogs. |
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BINGO...my dogs have taken heartworm meds for 30 yrs ...it kills everything except tapes... If you bring in new bitches, it may be nexcessary to use a course of Panacur if you do not know the breeder's habits well. A bitch can have a negative stool result, but pass worm larva during and after whelping and nursing...the larva live in the tissues, but do not hatch in the adult dogs.. If I had any pups test positive for parasites..I would attack the problem at the root cause. Panacur all adults, treat the house and yard. Put all on heartworm meds..and you might just find your dogs free of worms forever...there has to be a reason someone like me can avoid these problems for so many years.. At one point I had 20 Yorkies and 3 Doxies...they were certainly not confinded to the house and kept apart for each other..I boarded friends Yorkies and had stud service..stilll no worms...because Heartworm meds kills them..read the box. As to give heartworm meds...those worms kill, so I will chance it. |
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Council Bluffs is located on the east banks of the MO River with a large body water/lake near by too. I would think any evidence of mosquitoes, large or small would be of some concern. |
Ok, so I have a question I have been meaning to ask my vet. I will see what he say's when I take the pups in to see him in the morning. Do dog's have a tolerance to meds like humans do? As in let's say antibiotics. If the vet gave a certain antibiotic for every problem your pup/dog went in for, would the same antibiotic always do the job? |
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Council Bluffs is located on the east banks of the MO River with a large lake close by too. I would think that any threat, large or small would indicate heartworm meds are in order. I know that my brother & sister in law live in Spirit Lake/northeast corner of the state where winter months are harsh and have their pets on heartworm meds year round.....In visiting them there are mosquitoes....it's humid and hot in the summer. |
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You do not need a huge misquote problem to have an incidence of heartworms, we hardly have any here, in AZ but the vet recommends heartworm meds because it's such a painful disease to treat, prevention is so important. I understand that this is a personal choice, but as breeder, I hope you are not recommending this, since even your vet recommends the heartworm medication. |
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Not saying that it is impossible, but so far have never had a dog with heartworm. But since it is a good preventative for most all worms, I will consider starting mine on them. |
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Oh no. :eek: I didn't get through this whole thread but I can tell you that I lived on 13th and Ave F there in Council Bluffs and we did have mosquitoes! Unfortunately, years ago we didn't protect our blk Lab, Lucky, and he did get heartworms. OMG it was the worst thing I've ever dealt with - especially since he was on meds for seizures. Our Vet had to contact UNO to see about dosage for the heartworms. It almost killed Lucky. :cry: There's no way I could live anywhere other than here without giving my kids heartworm meds. |
I just wanted to comment since this thread has turned a bit and heartworms are being discussed. Everyone has their own protocol for de-worming and not all will agree. I will say that, in general, de-wormers are far less toxic than heartworm preventatives. So many people tend to think of heartworm prevention as a necessary thing, and in most areas it is. I do think, however, that everyone should educate themselves about them and the ways in which dogs contract heartworms before blindly giving prevention. A couple of things I'd like to point out. Dogs do not get heartworms from just a mosquito bite. The mosquito must have first bitten a heartworm positive animal before having the larvae in its body to transfer to another dog. The heartworm larvae must reach stage 2 (a period of 2 weeks) before it can be transmitted by a mosquito. It must live in the mosquito's body until then. If, at any time before reaching stage 2 in the mosquito, the temperature dips below 57 degrees, the process must start over. So, even if mosquitoes are present, if the temp is dipping below 57 at least once every 2 weeks, there is no risk of transmission. Once a mosquito with stage 2 larvae bites a dog, the heartworm larvae takes 40-60 days before maturing to the stage where it can settle in the heart. Both flea and heartworm preventatives are not medicine....they are pesticides. While they may be 'necessary', the use of, and especially the overuse of them can lead to many health problems. I consider the typical 'every 30 days - year round' application to be overuse. These preventatives are typically packaged for a range of weight. If your dog fall on the lower end of that range, it is being overdosed. As a breeder, I am especially concerned with this issue, particularly with my girls. You have to remember that a female is born with all the eggs she will ever produce and those eggs can suffer from the cumulative effects of these pesticides. We have all seen the disastrous effects of DDT and Agent Orange on both humans and wildlife. DDT almost single-handedly wiped out several species in our country, including the bald eagle. Do you really trust the safety of applying pesticides monthly to our dogs? Most breeders know of using ivermectin for heartworm preventtion. At least if you get that from a source such as Revival, you can tailor the dosage to the exact weight of your dog, which, to me, is a safer way of doing it. No need then to administer a product dosed for a range of weight. These are just my thoughts and no one has to agree. I am very concerned with the wide range of conditions and illnesses that seem to affect the toy breeds and I am convinced there is a connection between them and the constant administration of pesticides on dogs. I believe we are creating 'toxic dogs' in doing this and a more thought out protocol and judicious use of these products could lower the incidence of some of these problems. Just my .02. |
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When I left Texas was I ever glad. I kept the dogs on heartworm prevention for a year after. One less toxic thing I'm not putting in the dogs. I hate the rabies vaccine. |
Mary, I'm down on the Mississippi Coast so I know what it's like to have mosquitoes year round. I'm very uncomfortable with the 'typical' protocol, however, and have tried to educate myself on this and not blindly follow what I consider a dangerous protocol. It's so much like the usual 'annual' vaccination school of thought, which is also very harmful to our dogs. |
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I know my girlfriend had her yorkie on Revolution. She lives here. She switched vets and her now vet told her she was using a med that was much an overkill for dogs in California. |
I have yet to find a vet that I 'fully' trust. I am on my third one in the last seven years. He works with me and we have good communication and I think it's likely the best I'll do around here. There is a wonderful clinic in Mandeville, LA that I completely trust and that is where I go when the need arises (I've been twice). They're fully staffed with specialists, have all the diagnostic equipment and are open 24 hrs. |
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i guess i would rather give posion..then have to deal with worms..my bad! and you did bring up kids and immunizations... CHEESE N RICE LADY!!! i think about how these vaccines/dewormers were invented for a good reason and i will follow protcall |
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you dont think its cause he wants the money for the test ..either way he profits he tests..$15 worms $15.00 he test and no worms? still made 15.00 |
to the op..please ask your vet for the best information..cant trust what you read online |
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We live out in the country, up on a hill, where there is no standing water, and always a breeze, which is probably why we are not bothered by mosquitoes. I have weiner roasts and we sit out and visit way past dark and no one is bothered by mosqitoes. However I am going to do more research on which is the best way to go. I know there is a risk, as there is a risk with anything, coyotes, halks, owls etc. But there are also the dangers of cancer from repeated exposer to pesticides. I don't use flea preventers unless I see a flea, and most years I never see one, if I do, I treat one time, unless a second dose is warranted. |
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