WHERE HAVE I STATED I HAVE A ONGOING WORM PROBLEM! damn! :mad:

i said i prevent any problems before they start!

my dogs do get to go out side and play and so forth and instead of waiting for something to happen i prevent it!

i dont need anyone to sugar coat anything and by far you have not...i dont have a worm problem because i take care of it by preventing it...

you are bound and determinded to try and belittle me and my dogs by stating i have a worm problem...which i do not have because i give my dogs the proper care they need to prevent things from growing inside them...and i clean and take care of my home..i also dont try to look better by trying to degrade people..your comments are a very snobbish and rude ..id say more but then i would probably be kicked off

i dont keep puppies until they are 4 month old..so i will continue my way of treatment..i have been very successful in breeding, whelping, caring, and placing my pups. i have on going relationships with the new owners and havent had any issues from vaccinating and worming i havent had ny issues period...you stick with what you know ill stick with what i know

i also have my kids vaccinated when required and ill be damn it if risk polio because of allgeries..and i dont believe that immunizations cause cancer or allergies...

i am pro preventive care!

good one !

NO you are not preventing it if your puppies have worms, and if they don't have worms, your are feeding them poison unnecessarily.

If you do not have an ongoing worm problem, then why feed poison to those infant puppies. Can you imagine how sick it must make them feel.

We are not discussing childhood vaccinations here, so leave your kids out of it, it is irrelevant to this discussion.

Just because you do or don't believe something does not make it true. Research indicates that there is a connection between vaccinations and allergies in dogs, and it has been know for years that exposer to chemical pesticides causes cancer.

Veterinarians have researched on their own dogs, using titers testing to see how long their systems show an immunity to these disease. and they have fiound that vaccinating too young is counter productive, and that after the one year booster the immunity lasts 10 years or more, just as it does in humans.

Just open your mind to the idea that, although your methods may have been accepted in the past, resarch has shown that all of that deworming and early vaccinating is not good for them.

How is that a good one? I have NEVER had a yorkie puppy eating complete solid food at 2-3 weeks!!! The link is for dogs in general, NOT TOY BREEDS!!!!!!!! I don't care about links and garbage for ALL dogs in general, I am talking about YORKIES!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by a drug company

A show judge posted this one, no doubt got paid handsomely for it.

Who profits from what? OVERVACCINATING ANIMALS!!!

This one is written by a vet, but just tells what to do if they have worms and to get the stool tested

This one says to prevent worms to keep the area clean. :eek:
OH MY GOSH What a novel idea, I ever would have thought of that.

NO!!! Ya Think?

What the hell?? A very wise woman once told me that you should never worm pups unless they have the worms. That goes for all medicines. This is just crazy. NOT all puppies have worms.

This is the 20th century people!! If you are testing your dogs you should not have worm problems. Back in the day some people used to worm all their pups. We have come so much farther than that in vet medicine now.

My vet will not even talk about meds unless he has performed tests.

Ok let's make this simple.......Please Call a VET if you need a worm check before just dosing up your dogs for no reason!

Thanks for the input Renee.

;).....

[QUOTE=JeanieK;3173236]This one is written by a vet, but just tells what to do if they have worms and to get the stool tested

And who profits from that --the VET ! And the best place in the world to pick up parvo-distemper and such is the VETS OFFICE. I can't tell ya the times I've taken pups to the vet for health papers and ran straight into a big case of PARVO !! thank goodness I had vaccinated early. But if you guys want to CHANCE it !! Be my guest---it's the poor puppies that pay. No matter what ya say I'm worming regular and vaccinating early and often. Allergys are a picnic next to Parvo !! My daughter worked at a Vet--I've seen a lot !! I don't take pups for stool checks--because of what I've seen at Vet clinics. I keep them at home till I MUST get health papers to ship ( and yes I ship all over the US and some over seas) My feelings are the BEST PLACE to pick up something BAD is the VET clinic !

You know folks--I wonder what happened to the person asking about worming her pups---I'm sure she thinks the whole bunch of us are CRAZY LOONS ! Can't we just agree to disagree. I'm not changing my mind--and your not changing yours ! Lets move on ! ;)

[quote=k Owensk9;3173294]Sure no problem... let's hope she goes to a vet before giving her baby meds.

[quote=k Owensk9;3173294]I agree, to disagree!!!!!!! Hopefully the op will check with her get before injecting chemicals if not nessasary!!!!:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[quote=k Owensk9;3173294]How do you know that you ran into a case of parvo, and why did the pup need to go to the vet?

I take mine to the vet in a carrier, I insist that they sanitize the scale before I will put any of my dogs on it and I do not take then to the grassy area to potty.. They have never picked up any disease at the vets office.

[quote=jackson25;3173303]I too hope the OP got the information that she needed.

Now I'm moving on.

[quote=JeanieK;3173313]Me too!!!!! Some "breeders" just don't get it!!!!:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[quote=jackson25;3173315]Let me begin with I've never had a case of worms. However, do take in a a fecal sample as a precautionary measure and have my girl checked prior to breeding. Always say never say never.

Let me add, if your girl is on heartworm meds. Which I usually don't administer prior to a breeding and throughout gestation period. I do continue when the pups are two weeks old. A natural way of deworming your pups. For those continue your heartworm meds. Your girls & puppies don't have worms. Well maybe tapeworms as the heartworm doesn't eradicate those.

[quote=JeanieK;3173311]If you had read my statement --I take pups to the Vet to get health papers-(you must have health papers to ship ---it's the LAW !!) And you must have never seen Parvo--ya know it if ya see it !! And ya smell it---and the Vet says "I hope that pup is vaccinated as we have a parvo dog today " and I replyed it's vaccinated but I'm going home and re vaccinate because of this and the vet sayed "GOOD you need to !"
THAT'S HOW I KNEW !!!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

And ya need to reserch Parvo---it's air born if ya walk into the Vet to ask a question or pay a bill without your dog with ya and you walk back into your home or kennel you can track parvo into your homes and your dogs get sick and die withen hours of getting sick ! Bloody poop--vomiting it's bad REAL BAD !! We live in the country Coyotes get parvo and spread it every where they roam---all dogs or of the same family coyotes-fox--etc get parvo and spread it every where---soooooo I vaccinate very regular !

[quote=Mardelin;3173328]Thanks for the info Mary. I have always started back up after weaning. Never had worms but I will talk with my vet about starting earlier.

I think the key word is vet. I have learned that if you have a good vet they will help you through the process. And I have finally found a vet whom I can trust. I have been through many!

I guess this is one of those topics that everyone will never agree on but it is nice that we can share our experiences and views.

Years ago I would automatically worm pups and occasionally I would see a round worm pass. My vets had no problem dispensing worm medicine because I think the majority of vets promote worming at two week intervals. One of the vets I use now is a holistic vet and he does not believe you should worm unless the dog has worms. None of my dogs have had any worms in about the past 5 years but my dogs are raised in my home, not in cages and not on dirt. For those that let their dogs outside it is very necessary to get stool samples checked on your dogs. All moms should be checked and wormed before breeding because roundworms and hookworms can be passed to the pups through the milk. Hookworms can kill a puppy as young as two weeks if the pup has a bad case of them.

Tapeworms are a different story. For a dog or puppy to get tapeworms they have to actually eat a flea that has eaten a tapeworm segment. Worm medicines that kill roundworms and hookworms won't kill tapeworms so if you see the little tapeworm 'rice' segments in the stool you need to get a wormer from the vet. The best preventative for tapeworms is to keep the fleas under control.

You don't have to take your dog or your puppies to the vet to get a stool checked. Most vets will let you drop off a stool sample to be checked.

As for vaccinations, my feeling are that vaccinating before 8 weeks is not best for the puppy and can actually be harmful.

[quote=Mardelin;3173328]Hey people--heartguard also kills round worms and hooks---so may be your worming your dogs and don't know it ! Is heartguard also feeding them poison ?

[quote=k Owensk9;3173345]You know, I think you are NOT getting the big picture! No one has a problem vaccinating & deworming puppies! The problem lies when a "breeder" is vaccinating & deworming for NO REASON! If a puppy does not have worms, why inject them for no reason! Yes, it is all has chemicals, but were you and I differ, is that I don't inject chemicals UNLESS NEEDED, not for the hell of it like you do!!!

[quote=jackson25;3173350]temper--temper !!:(