When is to early to deworm? Hello, new breeder here I have four babies they are 2 weeks now, my husband concern is he thinks they are to fat and he said they have worms. Their mommy dont have any worms my question is when you they get their first deworm medicine? I saw on google that at 2 weeks , that seem to early for me. I`m taking them to the vet at 8 weeks to get vaccines. but have no clue when to give them worm medicine :confused: Thank you all ! |
They could just have fat bellies because they are well fed. Personally I wouldn't be given my 2 week old puppies anything they don't need including worming medication. If you want to check for worms take a stool sample to the vet. |
The vet can take a small stool sample if you are worried..I take a stool sample at 6 to 8 wks and if it is negative I do not worm...and again at 12 wks... |
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I never deworm puppies unless they have worms. I always take in a stool sample and if they do not have worms why give them something they don't have? I do not give anything that isn't necessary. Donna Bird Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers |
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NO you don't just call or e mail and order---I like NEMEX the least ! I'd get the liquid in the other wormers . Remember just drops for a pup. and worm mom at the same time. Kathy |
I have heard vets say.."All puppies have worms"..this is just not true. If I had all my vet records for 36 yrs I could prove I have never any pups come up positive for regular worms. They have had tapes, but not in about 15 yrs. I never worm a dog/pup without a stool check..why run a toxin through the system if there is nothing to kill.. When I give advise I try my best not to tell anyone to do anything that can cause harm..even if it is remote...worming a pup at 2 to 3 days is dangerous IMO. I had a stud client allow the vet to worm her litter at 10 says...pups were all dead by evening. Vet said he was surprised, never happened with other breeds. k Owensk9..this is JMO, but I think it best we tell this breeder to get a stoool check and go from there... |
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I cannot fathom deworming a pup at only a few days old. :eek: At that point, mom is still having to stimulate pups and is cleaning up after them by eating it. Why on Earth would you want to to give a pup a dewormer at that point? That's insane! It really bothers me to see that kind of advice given. The number of years one has been breeding means nothing sometimes. There have some puppy millers I'm sure who have beeen breeding longer than that...doesn't mean we should look up to them. |
If a breeder can not afford a simple stool check OUIT! There is no visit involved..I have never paid more then $20 for a check...if a breeder charges $1000 plus for a puppy it is a drop in the bucket to be safe. I live as south as you can get... I do many things myself..tails, declaws and vaccine when I was breeding regular..but to give advise that is dangerous, is foolish and not what this forum is all about. A breeder can do as they please with their own pups..but handing out advise to others you better be 100% sure you know what you are doing... even if it is only one chance in a million something can go wrong, don't!!!I have bred/shown for 36 yrs and would never advise worming a Yorkie puppy the first week...or even the 8th week unless they have worms... |
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At that young age I would not worm them unless there was proof that they actuall have worms. As for the fat bellies, Do they get fat right after the nurse, then it goes away before the next feeding? That is what they are supposed to do. Contrary to popular belief, NOT ALL PUPPIES HAVE WORMS, they do not get it from their mother if the mother does not have worms. |
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I do not routinely worm either, but many people still believe that all puppies have worms and worm then 2 to 3 times before the are rehomed. And then wonder why dogs have so many issues . |
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Better safe than sorry? I consider it safer to NOT feed my puppies poison unless I know they need it. |
hornets nest !!! :D Well looks like every one is wading in on me ! That's fine ! One person asked a very good question---I answered from my knowledge of breeding for may years and having a very good relationship with my Vet. He taught me many things--and one thing he taught me was how to save money where possible. Wormers these days are very safe and I disagree with most of you--I think dogs get worms often--if allowed to run outside and play in the dirt/yard. Of course most of your dogs may never see the dirt or grass so may be they don't get worms. I do not regularly worm 2 or 3 day old pups--but I have wormed them and NEVER lost a pup from wormers---Years ago my brother brought me a female beagle she was PG and due soon--her pups were born so wormy I thought I'd never get them cleaned up--I wormed them several time--pups - mom and all. Not one pup was lost and they passed worms by the pile ! (needles to say my brother and I don't see eye to eye.) So I totally disagree--puppies do get worms ! And puppies can die from worms---so my thoughts are "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" Once a puppy is infested with worms --hook worms are the worst---they can die from harsh wormers. I know I wont change your minds and I don't care ! And you wont change mine ! It's also been years since I had a puppy or adult dog with a positive worm slide---but I feel it's because I stay on top of keeping the kids wormed . END OF MY STORY . |
There are breeding conditions that promote worms and is in a high volume kennel. Most small breeders who keep their dogs in the house, or a dog area in the house, not on concrete or dirt runs will not have parasite problems. My Yorkies stayed on solid sheet tile flooring like in hospitals..easy to clean, no grooves/grout/dirt for parasite breeding. PS...I wrote this before the last response... My Yorkies went outdoors on grass also..but the yard was treated twice yearly. |
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My last post on this thread..and I am sure you are thrilled... If a long time breeder such as you or I say we do this and that..novices take notice...and think if someone with decades of experince worms pups of any age on a routine schedule, not determinely if the puppy needs worming, then it must be safe...so we have to be extra careful giving advise. I do things I would never tell anyone here to do...IE oxyie shots, when, how much etc..that is for their vet to determine...I would talk privately with an experinced breeder and discuss what I do..and that experinced breeder would know they are taking a risk, but that is what we do..it is a risk to even breed a bitch... I am not a foo-foo breeder..( that is the name we are called by commerical breeders)..I have no blank check to be foolish about the money I spend on my Yorkies...but I know going in that there are expenses that should not be cut out of a breeding program..my vet taught me many useful things to help with my breeding expenses..and a breeder needs to learn all they can, but not to the point of endangering the animal... Best wishes to you and your dogs. |
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Even if I did it myself, I would not want to be responsible if something happened to someone elses pups. Just because I did it and nothing went wrong, does not mean that it is safe. I hope the OP takes in a stool sample before giving the meds. Putting unnecessary chemicals into those tiny bodies is irresponsible. |
[QUOTE=JeanieK;3171896]I agree. I am not a long time breeder, but I would never tell anyone to give medication in manner that is listed as unsafe on the package. Even if I did it myself, I would not want to be responsible if something happened to someone elses pups. Just because I did it and nothing went wrong, does not mean that it is safe. I hope the OP takes in a stool sample before giving the meds. Putting unnecessary chemicals into those tiny bodies is irresponsible.[/QUOT As I said before I said " I have done this" NOT YOU SHOULD DO THIS !! And this is my last word on it ! |
i usually DO deworm at 2 weeks..but after reading things here about waiting on wormer and vaccations..i waited on my last litter...and didnt deworm until 5 weeks old...do you know that every puppy had piles and piles of worms with in an hour? i will never wait again...i have never had worms come out of puppies... but they are dogs, their parents are dogs..and being dogs they do, do ewy things and touch and eat ewy things and its common and typical for dogs to get worms and pass them on.. so yes i think its a good idea to worm at 2 weeks old |
I've never had puppies have worms and i've never had to deworm....so therefore I don't deworm unless necessary but I just can't remember the last time one of my dogs had worms...oh and btw....they do go outside and play in the grass, the dirt, the leaves :) I'm not quoting anyone but I believe don't deworm unless it's absolutely necessary :) JMHO Donna |
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I DO NOT deworm unless worms are present. I take a stool sample to the vet for an exam, if worms are present, then I deworm.....I haven't ever had worms in any litters, nor would I EVER deworm a puppy at the age of 2 weeks! No need to inject chemicals & poisons into their system if not needed! BYW, mine play in the grass, leaves and landscaping, I don't have any dirt but if I did they would play in that too!;) |
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wanted to add an after thought that i never saw worms in that last litter until after i dewormed them..so they can have them and you not know it....so i would rather dewormed then let things stew and make them sick.. i typically deworm at 2 4 6 8 and 10 weeks..and never have worms when i follow those guidelines |
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unless she had a fecal done to confirm that she doesnt ..in all actuallity she may..how else would the babies get them? just because you cant seem them in the poo doesnt mean they arent there.. its totally normal for the mother to pass worms and most dewormers say to give to the puppies and the MOTHER |
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The responsible thing to do would be to worm the adults, then have them tested before breeding, and keep them out of contact with other dogs and keep their run clean. Hard surfaces sanitized and poop picked up. I do not buy from breeders who need to deworm their puppies. |
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DOGS EAT CRAP...they get worms.. DOGS LICK EACH OTHERS HINEY...they get worms dogs eat dirt, grass, lick their paws after walkin on anything and everything..they get worms! i worm mine on a regular..THANK YOU VERY MUCH and my home is CLEAN im sure its likely that the pup had worms..dont call her a liar because you cant stand a slight flaw..its happens,. how does that make you look as a breeder to call your client a liar over worms???..it doesnt make people wrong or uneducated or un-clean...it doesnt make the dog bad or the breeder bad..its a cycle that happens..and all animals have living organism in their system..no matter how PRISTINE your dogs are! people.breeders.pet owners are not beneath you because they dealt with a worm issue! good grief... |
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If your dogs have worms and your dogs are in your house, then you have worms in your house. ICK Get rid of the worms in your adult dogs and your 2 week old puppies will not ohave worms. Those puppies are not eating poop and licking behinds, so they must be getting the worms from their mother. BREAK THE CYCLE My puppies do not have worms because my adult dogs do not have worms. I did not call, those buyers liars, I questioned where they got the worms, because none of my other buyers found worms. |
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