Wow Has it really come to this?

[maggiesmom_2007]

Yep like saying oh I would do anything for my dog and in the next breath where can I get the cheapest care because I don't want to pay that much. I am going to bed.

[Magerita]

I understand everyones frustration but at the same time no one starts off as an experienced breeder, we all have to Start off some where. Also it is very easy to take what someone posts he wrong way. I personally joined this site because 8 months ago I took in a 3 year old yorkie. I have loved every moment spent with her and I would love to breed her. I can think of anhing better then bringing more joys into the world.I would like to use this site as another source or information, obviously not my only source. But after reading what I have On this posting and others I personally feel like this isn't quite the place for me. I would like others to share in my excitment and help out other than detour me.

[capt_noonie]

My eyes hurt. Some ppl need to use punctuation and split up their thoughts/ramblings into paragraphs. It really does not help my astigmatism. *does not compute* lol

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by Magerita

I understand everyones frustration but at the same time no one starts off as an experienced breeder, we all have to Start off some where. Also it is very easy to take what someone posts he wrong way. I personally joined this site because 8 months ago I took in a 3 year old yorkie. I have loved every moment spent with her and I would love to breed her. I can think of anhing better then bringing more joys into the world.I would like to use this site as another source or information, obviously not my only source. But after reading what I have On this posting and others I personally feel like this isn't quite the place for me. I would like others to share in my excitment and help out other than detour me.

You're right, people have to start somewhere and they are not born knowing how to properly breed any dog. BUT if you're going to risk a living creature's life, like you yourself said in your own thread, do it while minimizing the risks. In your thread there are more than enough responses on how to go about that.

Find a mentor, learn the standard inside out, take classes in genetics and whelping, have your mentor teach your first hand how things should be done, then and only then do you acquire breeding dogs, attempt your first breeding, and whelp puppies with your mentor by your side just in case you need someone that knows more than you there to help. If you choose to ignore this good sound advice, that's your choice. Just know that if you do ignore the advice, your chances of really screwing up the life of your little girl and her babies grows exponentially.

[maggiesmom_2007]

Originally Posted by maggiesmom_2007

It seems like every year there are more and more disagreements here. I almost feel like I have to add a disclaimer before posting in certain areas. I am trying really hard to understand why some of us even bother giving advice, when it will just get misconstrued as bashing or jumping on the OP. I try really hard to stay away from the obvious postings where there are people breeding with little to no knowledge of breeding, or the ones that are purposely breeding mixed breeds. I do read them and shake my head in wonder at where the OP's mind is when they make the statement of please no bashing or negative comments. All I can say is please remove your rose colored glasses. If you start a thread asking for advice or help then you will get it but please don't assume that anyone who cares about this breed is going to pat you on the back and tell you everything will be just fine. If you wanted that then you've obviously come to the wrong place. I can see why long time breeders are hesitant to post helpful replies. Anyway this is just my venting and blowing off steam.

if you read what is quoted and the post I made in the thread you started that is the extent of my advice to you. If you came here for advice then you should be open to the advice you've been given. Sorry I doubt you will get the responses you want unless it's the ones that go with your line of thinking on the matter. There is the right way and the wrong way to go about breeding. If you decide to go about it the right way there are many knowledgeable people here that will help you.
But if you decide to continue in the direction your going then you do so at the risk of your female. As far as people having to start from somewhere. Well me personally I have only been breeding for a few years but I did research, talked to breeders, and helped out with the whelping of several litters that was from 2000 to 2007. I purchased my first female in 2006 had my first litter late 2007. Lost a litter in 2008 watched my female attack one of her pups from the previous litter, took any and all advice to try and get control of the situation but nothing helped. I had to rehome her to an only dog home. I cried for a week. I saved my money up and bought another female Showed her in AKC and UKC shows. She had her first litter last year. And she is hopefully expecting a litter in August. So please pardon me if I don't share in your excitement or agree with your reasoning.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Magerita

I understand everyones frustration but at the same time no one starts off as an experienced breeder, we all have to Start off some where. Also it is very easy to take what someone posts he wrong way. I personally joined this site because 8 months ago I took in a 3 year old yorkie. I have loved every moment spent with her and I would love to breed her. I can think of anhing better then bringing more joys into the world.I would like to use this site as another source or information, obviously not my only source. But after reading what I have On this posting and others I personally feel like this isn't quite the place for me. I would like others to share in my excitment and help out other than detour me.

Your statement that I've bolded, is one that newbies always make. My response to you is: These yorkies are living creatures, so if you plan to breed start out the right way. Making sure that you are breeding to improve the breed, not just for the experience. Whose experience? yours.

Attending shows, learning the breed inside and out, studying canine gentics, reproduction, whelping, raising a litter. Studying pedigrees, finding a great mentor. Obtaining the best breeding stock from a reputable breeder (usually the one that will be your mentor). This takes years of studying before embarking embarking on such a serious journey.

[Callie Lou]

>:-\ nice...very grown up...and nice.

[Callie Lou]

You know what....YOU started this thread. Poor, poor pitiful you. Getting your feelings hurt because you were rude to some ppl on here who came here for advice and they got upset with your rudeness. Boo~hoo. This is all quite hypocritcal and ridiculous. Congratulations for taking what was intended to be a useful and "friendly" website and using it to toot your little horns and make fun of others. I mean really!....You all make fun of the way ppl spell and puncuate on here for crying out loud. Who do these ppl think they are????
Go find or create a website that is "Just for Breeders". Then you can all stay on there all day and pat each other on the back for evidentally being so fabulous at what you do....never making any mistakes or saying anything that isn't right out of a textbook. Too bad we weren't all around to watch you make your mistakes in the beginning. Remember that it's not always WHAT you say....but HOW you say it.
I think I'm done with this place.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Callie Lou

You know what....YOU started this thread. Poor, poor pitiful you. Getting your feelings hurt because you were rude to some ppl on here who came here for advice and they got upset with your rudeness. Boo~hoo. This is all quite hypocritcal and ridiculous. Congratulations for taking what was intended to be a useful and "friendly" website and using it to toot your little horns and make fun of others. I mean really!....You all make fun of the way ppl spell and puncuate on here for crying out loud. Who do these ppl think they are????
Go find or create a website that is "Just for Breeders". Then you can all stay on there all day and pat each other on the back for evidentally being so fabulous at what you do....never making any mistakes or saying anything that isn't right out of a textbook. Too bad we weren't all around to watch you make your mistakes in the beginning. Remember that it's not always WHAT you say....but HOW you say it.
I think I'm done with this place.

Maggie didn't not start this thread because she got her feelings hurt or to poke fun.

Her post was out of frustration on those that embark on a journey of breeding yorkies without taking into consideration that these are loving little creatures. Putting their dogs into harms way. These people post on an "open forum", their inexperienced plans of something they plan or have done with expecting to obtain affirmation. And when they don't get the affirmation, they are upset.

Again, this forum is here for everyone, if you don't like a subject matter, move on to one that you do. But, when it comes to the passion and love of a yorkie, don't expect people to stand by, keep quiet when there is abuse going on. Breeding without knowledge and experience is abuse.

[Ute White]

Maybe I shouldn't say anything because I'm only on here for a few weeks.
But...in my opinion there are no stupid questions, just stupid answers.
I can understand why ppl get all upset if someone jumps right into breeding without a clue, afterall it's living creatures. But if someone comes on here and has a question...well, just help out. The damage is done but don't make it worse by telling people how unresponsible they are to get the pup at 8 weeks or why in hell they want to breed and then those people are offended and disappear. Then I think it becomes to a "hit and try", inexperienced new owners or breeders do what they think might be good and definitely a lot of those poor pups will end up God knows where....
As I said, this is just me.
And I tried to read it over and make sure there are no big spelling mistakes...lol.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Ute White

Maybe I shouldn't say anything because I'm only on here for a few weeks.
But...in my opinion there are no stupid questions, just stupid answers.
I can understand why ppl get all upset if someone jumps right into breeding without a clue, afterall it's living creatures. But if someone comes on here and has a question...well, just help out. The damage is done but don't make it worse by telling people how unresponsible they are to get the pup at 8 weeks or why in hell they want to breed and then those people are offended and disappear. Then I think it becomes to a "hit and try", inexperienced new owners or breeders do what they think might be good and definitely a lot of those poor pups will end up God knows where....
As I said, this is just me.
And I tried to read it over and make sure there are no big spelling mistakes...lol.

You're pretty new and glad you posted. But, if you've been here awhile, you'll see more and more that there are people that come here that truely want to learn. Listen with an open mind, keeping their yorkies welfare at the forefront of their plans. Then there are those that only come here to obtain free vet help or insight on how to breed. While YT members are helpful, we are definately not a substitue for a vet or studying breeding and doing it the correct way. Those of us that truely have the passion for the breed attempt to guide those that have the best interest of the breed at heart.

[maggiesmom_2007]

Originally Posted by Callie Lou

You know what....YOU started this thread. Poor, poor pitiful you. Getting your feelings hurt because you were rude to some ppl on here who came here for advice and they got upset with your rudeness. Boo~hoo. This is all quite hypocritcal and ridiculous. Congratulations for taking what was intended to be a useful and "friendly" website and using it to toot your little horns and make fun of others. I mean really!....You all make fun of the way ppl spell and puncuate on here for crying out loud. Who do these ppl think they are????
Go find or create a website that is "Just for Breeders". Then you can all stay on there all day and pat each other on the back for evidentally being so fabulous at what you do....never making any mistakes or saying anything that isn't right out of a textbook. Too bad we weren't all around to watch you make your mistakes in the beginning. Remember that it's not always WHAT you say....but HOW you say it.
I think I'm done with this place.

First of all yes I started this thread but I did not get my feelings hurt because people don't want to take my advice. That's totally up to them. This website is still useful and friendly. But apparently giving advice and asking people why they want to breed is now considered unfriendly. Oops my bad.
I could care less about spelling or punctuation and have never made fun of anyone for it so please don't insinuate that I have. There is a forum that is just for breeders and I have yet to see anyone being perfect at breeding. Apparently you didn't read my last post I did make mistakes and I posted it for basically the world to read. I don't post right out of a textbook I post about my own experiences and what should be the right way to go about things. I have said everything I have posted in a non confronting manner and even had to excuse myself when I got extremely irritated at a posting I read before I responded. I am sorry if you think I got my feelings hurt but I just want to let you know I have thicker skin than that.

[maggiesmom_2007]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

You're pretty new and glad you posted. But, if you've been here awhile, you'll see more and more that there are people that come here that truely want to learn. Listen with an open mind, keeping their yorkies welfare at the forefront of their plans. Then there are those that only come here to obtain free vet help or insight on how to breed. While YT members are helpful, we are definately not a substitue for a vet or studying breeding and doing it the correct way. Those of us that truely have the passion for the breed attempt to guide those that have the best interest of the breed at heart.

I was one of those people that came wanting to learn. My Yorkies are my life, And I am very grateful to the responsible breeders on this site and my mentors.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by maggiesmom_2007

First of all yes I started this thread but I did not get my feelings hurt because people don't want to take my advice. That's totally up to them. This website is still useful and friendly. But apparently giving advice and asking people why they want to breed is now considered unfriendly. Oops my bad.
I could care less about spelling or punctuation and have never made fun of anyone for it so please don't insinuate that I have. There is a forum that is just for breeders and I have yet to see anyone being perfect at breeding. Apparently you didn't read my last post I did make mistakes and I posted it for basically the world to read. I don't post right out of a textbook I post about my own experiences and what should be the right way to go about things. I have said everything I have posted in a non confronting manner and even had to excuse myself when I got extremely irritated at a posting I read before I responded. I am sorry if you think I got my feelings hurt but I just want to let you know I have thicker skin than that.

There was nothing rude about your responses. It appears that factual and bluntness is often taken for rudeness.

I would very much like a few posters to take a few phone calls at 1, 2 or 3 in the morning. Assisst in a whelp. Some calls are just to calm the nerves of a newbie breeder and some calls are identifying whelps that are going back and advising the breeder to get the vet. Yes, many of these calls are from YT members that for some reason or another have no mentor or because of a oops breeding they have no experience. Yes, alot of this goes on here at YT

While we may be blunt in our answers to newbie wanna be breeders that don't listen to our advice. We never turn them away when it concerns the life of a dog.

[maggiesmom_2007]

Thanks Mardelin.