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05-05-2010, 08:30 PM | #61 |
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| Love it when you own it This thread is just disturbing. I watched that video and the puppies were in distress and the woman was cackling like a freak! The man in the video pointed to the puppies tails and make a joke about how they wouldn't be there in a few minutes! I am by far not weak hearted but it was very disturbing.
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05-05-2010, 08:35 PM | #62 |
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05-05-2010, 08:44 PM | #63 |
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| I have my vet do the claws and tails. I've never been shown and won't attempt it unless shown in person and then maybe still not. I have the same concerns about taking newborns anywhere. What I do is to schedule my appointment first thing. I like to be there before any other animal has been in that room that day. It helps to minimize the risk. As for the weather, in the winter I make sure the truck is well warmed up before bringing the pups out and then it's with a towel that's been heated in the dryer. In the summer, I just don't use the AC and keep the windows up so no drafts. Another thing I like about taking the pups to the vet's at this time is that my vet gives them all a good once-over. I like the added assurance of a medical professional checking them out.
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05-05-2010, 08:45 PM | #64 |
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05-06-2010, 04:49 AM | #65 |
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| I live in Canada (on the prairies). Winter is a fact of life for us. I have had to take puppies out in the winter to go to the vet more times than I would care to remember. I have taken pups to the vet when it is 40 below zero. I pack my pups into a small plastic tote with microwave heat packs and cover them with blankets. I then wrap the whole tote into a quilt. The car is well warmed before we leave. My pups are always toasty warm and sleeping when we get there. My vet sees the pups first thing in the morning in a freshly cleaned cat area. No adult dog has ever set foot into this area. Cats and puppies only. It has always been freshly cleaned before we get there, I work in a hospital and it doesn't smell nearly as clean as my vet's office. She puts out sterile sheets for my pups. Each pup has a full exam before tail and dew claw amputation to make sure that they are strong enough to handle the procedure. If a pup is weak, tiny or struggling with their health in any way, she delays for a day or so until they are strong enough to handle it. Tails and dewclaws are removed with a pair of sharp surgical scissors. I have never had a bone grow from the dewclaws (although I have when dewclaws were removed with a clamp on a dog that I bought, in all fairness to those who use a clamp, it was a dog from a breeder who was a novice to doing dewclaws). She then cauterizes and puts one stitch in each. After the procedure is finished, she gives 1 cc of a dextrose solution by mouth and sub-q fluids to each pup to just give them an extra little boost and to prevent any shock. It is my personal preference to have the tails docked in this method (clamp method is fine, I just prefer the scissor method). I find that it is very accurate as to the length and I just like the look, it gives a nice blunt end to the tail without the skinny squashed appearance that I have seen on some tails that have been done with a clamp (probably by people who were not really experienced in doing it). Anyways, I have to agree with WoogieMan, it makes my feel good to have my pups have a really thorough check up when they are only a few days old.
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05-06-2010, 05:16 AM | #66 |
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| The environment of the puppies should tells that story of that video. It's sad that some people are more concerned with saving some money than the well being of puppies. |
05-06-2010, 05:20 AM | #67 |
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| I would have to totally agree with you on that.
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05-06-2010, 05:20 AM | #68 |
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| I have to say, I have never seen pups cry like they did on the video, those poor babies, also the people involved seemed to be getting some kind of a perverted thrill out of doing it.
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05-06-2010, 05:20 AM | #69 |
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| I replied in another thread saying that I supported mommadog. I would never support anyone w/ breeding practices as such. Now you're saying you've been involved w/ showing and breeding w/ those ethics? Not sure what show world you're referring to. But I've seen enough to know what's what. |
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05-06-2010, 05:34 AM | #71 |
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| You betcha, people in Saskatchewan are tough and so are our yorkies and yes, we potty outside in the winter (dogs not humans) but they do it VERY quickly.
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05-06-2010, 08:17 AM | #72 |
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| Audrey, except for the -40 degrees (brrrrr), it sounds like you and I have mirror experiences with this. My vet also does the cut and stitch method and has delayed for a day or two doing a pup he felt wasn't robust enough at the time. He doesn't sub-Q but won't do any pup that hasn't begun to plump out. None of my pups have ever shown any distress from his method and we're on the same page as far as tail length goes.
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05-06-2010, 12:07 PM | #73 | |
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| Quote: Originally Posted by mommadog1 View Post YES.. please don't twist..it's just sickening to me... When I DID tails on my cockers and cockapoos (I refuse to do it now) i took a small torn strip of cloth and tied it on the tail where I was going to cut. You MUST cut on the dead side of the cloth (the tip of the tail u want off).. I waited 15 minutes until it was numb, it will be cold to the touch. Then I would cut with very sharp scissors, or a dog nail clipper..looks like a claw and cuts side to side. It works best. Then I would cover it with septic powder until bleeding stopped. But I never had any blood really.. But every time I took them to the vet they bled like heck and they screamed when they cut. At home they would yelp, but not much. I hated it, I know it hurts them, imagine the pain after? It doesn't just stop hurting after they snip. I also do not remove dewclaws. No real reason for it, and they can grow back and I have had it happened. Some times they grow back deformed.. But you know, they DO use their "dewclaw", it is an actual digit and the pain of removing them is terrible. The vet has to dig down deep to get all the bone. Now remember, all the while this is being done, plus the stitches, the pups are not numb!! They feel EVERYTHING.. I don't care if they remember it or not, it's cruel. But I do believe it effects how they run, and sit. this of course is my opinion and I feel strongly about it but I would never tell someone else what they should or shouldn't do, it's not my business. Quote:
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05-06-2010, 01:55 PM | #74 |
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| I don't understand how people breed w/o a vet they're in a partnership with. Even having yorkies, you need a vet you believe in and trust. Questioning things they're saying and fees is foreign to me. I did it years ago. We can't accomplish the same things. Can we? Trust is crucial. |
05-06-2010, 08:33 PM | #75 |
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| WOW! this thread got out of hand quickly while I was away for a few days. Many of you are probably wondering exactly what happened. 1. I made an appointment with the vet to have the dewclaws removed. However the day before I decided "no, this is a relatively simple procedure and I WILL do it myself. Although I have NEVER seen the procedure done before in person I am confident enough that I can preform the procedure with minimal risk of infection due to my nursing training" (keep reading, you may disagree with this but please continue to my point at the end of this post). 2. After gathering supplies and talking through the procedure with Mommadog1 (thank you by the way). I went ahead and removed two dew claws from one of the babies. I knew that I had to cut high enough remove the entire claw so that it would not grow back. There WAS blood - but thanks to forum posts like these I knew what to do and applied a clotting agent. 3. Here is where it gets embarrassing. My little guy cried, and as much confidence I had going in, it all was lost when I saw him bleeding. Even though I was able to stop the bleeding quite easily, my heart turned to mush....I couldn't do anymore dew claws and had already canceled the vet appointment. - I wasn't about to make another appointment and have them find some of the dewclaws removed and have them ask me who did it - I was way to embarrassed to explain that to them. So here I am, one baby has his original 2 dewclaws still and the other one has 2 of his 4 removed. I do feel a little stupid. All is healed up nicely but I still feel dumb. But here is my bottom line. I STILL agree with posting the information on here so that those of us STUBBORN enough to attempt to learn online will at least do so as safely as possible. Do I feel stupid for making the decision to attempt to do them myself? YES. But I know that I probably would have done it regardless of whether mommadog1 had walked me through it or not. We might as well post as much information as possible to at least ensure that others like me can preform the procedure as safely as possible because lets face many of us think we can do anything (myself included) and will do it regardless. |
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