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Old 05-05-2010, 02:59 PM   #46
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Well like I said before a major surgery need the care of a profession. This is in no way major.

Dew claws and tails are as easy to remove as nail clipping.

Remember I'm the one who sued my vet so I think I know what I'm doing. Don't need the thoughts of others to try and discourage.

Hope the OP has enough information from those who have done this before. Hope that video helps you as it helped me.


The forum is here to help people when they need advice. But that doesn't mean that you tell people to do everything on their own just b/c you/we do. This isn't responsible.

I thought this was the pap/yorkie liter? Am I right or mixing it up? I could be mixing the OP up with another. Just tell me if so. Regardless. It's not a confrontational issue. This is NOT an emergency. Price should not matter. IMO a vet/breeder/mentor/instructor/ teacher whatever should show how to do it first.

Don't we recommend the best care for puppies? Is saving 72 worth the bleeding, infection? Not knowing it they are done correctly? I'm not understanding why bother doing it at all?


An appt should been made for these dew claws when they were born.

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If one is concerned, as I was, of taking your pups to a vet's office. Communicate with your vet, build a rapore' with the vet. It's what I did, we took the pups after hours, and entered the facility through his office door, procedure was done in his personal office, on a sterilized surface. That is until I learned. Puppy well checks are also conducted this way.
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I have no right to tell any member not to post their opinions...I read many threads on all sorts of subjects here...and feel I will leave the subject to an expert unless I have first hand knowledge.

When I started, my vet sat me down and said I had to learn as much as I can and do it myself..he did not want to see me toting my puppies' adults in the clinic for these things...the fastest way to pick up staph, bacteria and virusus is at the vet..he would call me and tell me when to stay home and when it was ok to come in...

I learned how to dock tails/declaws by a drawing Renee Emmons (Mistangay) drew on a piece of paper at a dog show...Teri Shumsky visited a friend and she told me how to do it...I never saw it done before I actually docked a tail or claw...I guess something could go wrong with clamping a claw..but I can't figure out what it would be...but I guess all things, even the simpliest can go wrong.
I do know of a vet who CUT too deep and the pup lost the use of it's paw...nerve damage..that is why all tails and claws should be clamped..prevents going too deep in the skin..some declaws are so small they fall off by themself once clamped a few seconds...

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I watched video.....and as an exhibitor breeder found fault with it. I've never had a pup cry as much as this one. A squeek maybe, but if doing it correctly, this does not happen. Also, giving faulty information of cutting the tail at the brown spot is incorrect, you are docking the tail too short.

Removing dew claws, my pups don't even squeek. There are subelties that one learns when being taught by a vet and a mentor, that keeps the stress to a minimum.
I'm in shock by all of this. I should also clarify, we breed for ourselves.

Nobody has mentioned anything about what to do if they aren't done properly and come back? Then what?

TS taught many people how. But she would never send someone to a video alone.

Pat, you take it for granted how much experience you have. It doesn't rub off LOL
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I watched video.....and as an exhibitor breeder found fault with it. I've never had a pup cry as much as this one. A squeek maybe, but if doing it correctly, this does not happen. Also, giving faulty information of cutting the tail at the brown spot is incorrect, you are docking the tail too short.

Removing dew claws, my pups don't even squeek. There are subelties that one learns when being taught by a vet and a mentor, that keeps the stress to a minimum.
It worked just fine for me. And the brown spot just after it worked fine as well. I don't see my puppies having any problems. My puppies did not cry like his either.
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What does it matter if she's a breeder or not? I'm not a breeder either, and yes this is the breeders forum, but I read this section to gain more knowledge. What have I learned from this thread? Another reason why I would never breed. And yes I know this is common practice for experienced breeders to do on their own. I would think that a reputable breeder would not coach someone over the net on something as serious as this for a first timer.

You are correct Capt Noonie! Karla, Do you breed yorkies? Why did you ask?
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You are correct Capt Noonie! Karla, Do you breed yorkies? Why did you ask?
She's planning to, if not already. But she breeds cockapoos.
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It worked just fine for me. And the brown spot just after it worked fine as well. I don't see my puppies having any problems. My puppies did not cry like his either.
Sorry at the brown spot the tail is too short for a show dog. And docking a tail to the correct length is pretty important me.

I'm in no way telling you what you should do. I'm giving advice that was passed down by my mentor and our vet.
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Then i say to you wow. Blood or no blood, I feel faint. Even when just trimming nails.

However, there was a person on here once who said they would do a c section for 50 bucks (if I remember correctly).
Yuck. There's probably a utube video for that too.
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There are people who are not suited for breeding and it is good they do not breed..and frankly I do not feel a non=breeder should offer an opinion on these subjects...I realize it is a free country and all can express opinions..but I do not express opinions on a subject I know nothing about..
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Isn't that weird? Thumbs up from YOU?
Karla is FULL of opinions on breeding this breed but hasn't bred it? This comment is very confusing. Breeding is not breeding. Mixing cockers and poodles is completely against everything we breed for and why we breed.

Wow. This isn't a yorkie breeder.
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I watched video.....and as an exhibitor breeder found fault with it. I've never had a pup cry as much as this one. A squeek maybe, but if doing it correctly, this does not happen. Also, giving faulty information of cutting the tail at the brown spot is incorrect, you are docking the tail too short.

Removing dew claws, my pups don't even squeek. There are subelties that one learns when being taught by a vet and a mentor, that keeps the stress to a minimum.
That's not the video I was going to recommend just so you know because I did not like the way he did it.
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There are people who are not suited for breeding and it is good they do not breed..and frankly I do not feel a non=breeder should offer an opinion on these subjects...I realize it is a free country and all can express opinions..but I do not express opinions on a subject I know nothing about..
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Isn't that weird? Thumbs up from YOU?
Karla is FULL of opinions on breeding this breed but hasn't bred it? This comment is very confusing. Breeding is not breeding. Mixing cockers and poodles is completely against everything we breed for and why we breed.

Wow. This isn't a yorkie breeder.
Don't you dare start attacking me. Just because i don't breed yorkies.. What has that got to do with anything. I have been involved with breeding, showing, agility, etc since I was a teen I have much experience. and the pups being asked about here were not yorkies either.

My "opinions" come from years of experience and I never sent anyone to a video alone. I said I helped her privately, off the board!!!

There is no reason for all this nastiness. ANd thank you Nancy, I can answer on my own about what I breed. I own 4 yorkies and yes I breed cockapoos.. I have 2 small litters right now.
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Elle, are you a breeder? The vet does not have to do it. This is common practice for breeders. This is after all the breeders forum and we can teach these things even over the internet.

It's ok that you don't agree, but you really have no right to tell people what they can or cannot do. She asked for help and it was given to her. I personally walked her through it OFF thread. You shouldn't call her crazy, that just isn't right.

There is another thread (I posted the link) and nobody had a problem when that poster asked.
I'm confused because on another thread you state:

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YES.. please don't twist..it's just sickening to me...

When I DID tails on my cockers and cockapoos (I refuse to do it now) i took a small torn strip of cloth and tied it on the tail where I was going to cut. You MUST cut on the dead side of the cloth (the tip of the tail u want off)..

I waited 15 minutes until it was numb, it will be cold to the touch. Then I would cut with very sharp scissors, or a dog nail clipper..looks like a claw and cuts side to side. It works best. Then I would cover it with septic powder until bleeding stopped. But I never had any blood really..

But every time I took them to the vet they bled like heck and they screamed when they cut. At home they would yelp, but not much. I hated it, I know it hurts them, imagine the pain after? It doesn't just stop hurting after they snip.

I also do not remove dewclaws. No real reason for it, and they can grow back and I have had it happened. Some times they grow back deformed.. But you know, they DO use their "dewclaw", it is an actual digit and the pain of removing them is terrible. The vet has to dig down deep to get all the bone.
Now remember, all the while this is being done, plus the stitches, the pups are not numb!! They feel EVERYTHING.. I don't care if they remember it or not, it's cruel. But I do believe it effects how they run, and sit. this of course is my opinion and I feel strongly about it but I would never tell someone else what they should or shouldn't do, it's not my business.
So you have had dewclaws that have grown back deformed, and you no longer do it, and the dogs showed extreme pain when you did it, yet you are teaching others how to do it? Yet we "non-breeders" should never get involved.
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Don't you dare start attacking me. Just because i don't breed yorkies.. What has that got to do with anything. I have been involved with breeding, showing, agility, etc since I was a teen I have much experience. and the pups being asked about here were not yorkies either.

My "opinions" come from years of experience and I never sent anyone to a video alone. I said I helped her privately, off the board!!!

There is no reason for all this nastiness. ANd thank you Nancy, I can answer on my own about what I breed. I own 4 yorkies and yes I breed cockapoos.. I have 2 small litters right now.

I have never once brought it up the fact that you breed cockapoos. I think you are mixing me up with someone else.
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