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04-20-2010, 09:55 PM | #1 |
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| Response to Beware of unethical breeders RE: Beware of unethical breeders posted by mimimomo a.k.a. Jenny "You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor." Exodus 20:15 Someone on this list pointed out that I was being viciously slandered and I should defend myself. I can’t tell you how mad I was when I read these posts. I was so mad, I was actually speechless. Then the next thing I wanted to do was call a lawyer and sue her for slander and libel for all she is worth, which is still an option! They is no telling how much damage she has done to my reputation. I have worked very hard in the last 20 years of breeding yorkies to be a reputable & conscientious breeder, I have always stood behind my dogs. After I was able to cool down, I sent an email of what was written and I also called the owners of the 2 girls I placed with them, this Christmas, I asked if there was a problem with the dogs. I was told "no, no problems". I explained what was written by this unknown person and I was very upset. I then told her I wanted my dogs back and I would pay her any money that she spent on them. She and her husband both said no, they loved the dogs and didn’t know what Jenny was doing and had no idea she was writing this and that they were going to call her and have her remove the posts and apologize. I feel so resentful even to justify myself to this unknown woman, who apparently thinks she knows all. I mean where does she get off spouting lies and innuendo? As a breeder I keep dogs that I think will be good show dogs or are good for my breeding program. I had a girl who was little over 2 years old and she wasn’t turning out like wanted her to. I also had a female who I had kept and bred. Her 1st litter died during a c-section. A year later I tried her again. She went into early labor, the puppies were born about 5 days early via a c-section. The vet and I think her hormones never came in, as she had no maternal feeling and tried to attack her puppies. As I have her sister I decided to place her as well. This happened in late November. I was flying out to California for the holidays as my mother has advanced Alzheimer’s. I received a call shortly before leaving, from Bill & Sumi, who live in California, asking if I had any older dogs that I was looking to place. I told them ALL about the 2 girls and why I was placing them. They sounded like very nice people and I knew I would be meeting them in person. I only charged them the cost of flying the dogs as I was only requiring them to spay and love them. Yeah their teeth hadn’t been clean in a year and maybe fanny’s knees were loose after carrying 2 large litters, she looked like a turtle when pregnant. But no way in !!ell were they in the condition stated by Jenny. What dog doesn’t go over and mark on another dogs piss? As to her walking back and forth she didn’t do that here and she doesn’t do that at her new owners house. Maybe Fanny knew what kind of person this Jenny was and wanted to go home. As to my home and how the dogs are kept, the dogs live in the house with me and are my babies! and they get the best care possible. If you have any questions or concerns please call me 906-353-7474. I can give you my Vet number, who is also reference for me. I can give you my AKC rep’s name and you can contact him, as he has been to my house several times. I can also give you numerous references from past buyers. "Do not spread false reports. Do not help a wicked man by being a malicious witness." Exodus 23:1 Rose Edwards Ojibwa Yorkies 906-353-7474 yorkshire terrier puppy yorkie at yorkshire-terriers.com |
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04-21-2010, 06:47 AM | #2 |
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| RE: Beware of unethical breeders posted by mimimomo a.k.a. Jenny Good morning everbody, I contacted Rose Edwards yesterday to alert her to a thread that concerned her. I am posting her rebuttal on her behalf because she seems to have encountered some technical difficulty getting on here herself: ___________________ “You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.” Exodus 20:15 Someone on this list pointed out that I was being viciously slandered and I should defend myself. I can’t tell you how mad I was when I read these posts. I was so mad, I was actually speechless. Then the next thing I wanted to do was call a lawyer and sue her for slander and libel for all she is worth, which is still an option! They is no telling how much damage she has done to my reputation. I have worked very hard in the last 20 years of breeding yorkies to be a reputable & conscientious breeder, I have always stood behind my dogs. After I was able to cool down, I sent an email of what was written and I also called the owners of the 2 girls I placed with them, this Christmas, I asked if there was a problem with the dogs. I was told “no, no problems”. I explained what was written by this unknown person and I was very upset. I then told her I wanted my dogs back and I would pay her any money that she spent on them. She and her husband both said no, they loved the dogs and didn’t know what Jenny was doing and had no idea she was writing this and that they were going to call her and have her remove the posts and apologize. I feel so resentful even to justify myself to this unknown woman, who apparently thinks she knows all. I mean where does she get off spouting lies and innuendo? As a breeder I keep dogs that I think will be good show dogs or are good for my breeding program. I had a girl who was little over 2 years old and she wasn’t turning out like wanted her to. I also had a female who I had kept and bred. Her 1st litter died during a c-section. A year later I tried her again. She went into early labor, the puppies were born about 5 days early via a c-section. The vet and I think her hormones never came in, as she had no maternal feeling and tried to attack her puppies. As I have her sister I decided to place her as well. This happened in late November. I was flying out to California for the holidays as my mother has advanced Alzheimer’s. I received a call shortly before leaving, from Bill & Sumi, who live in California, asking if I had any older dogs that I was looking to place. I told them ALL about the 2 girls and why I was placing them. They sounded like very nice people and I knew I would be meeting them in person. I only charged them the cost of flying the dogs as I was only requiring them to spay and love them. Yeah their teeth hadn’t been clean in a year and maybe fanny’s knees were loose after carrying 2 large litters, she looked like a turtle when pregnant. But no way in !!ell were they in the condition stated by Jenny. What dog doesn’t go over and mark on another dogs piss? As to her walking back and forth she didn’t do that here and she doesn’t do that at her new owners house. Maybe Fanny knew what kind of person this Jenny was and wanted to go home. As to my home and how the dogs are kept, the dogs live in the house with me and are my babies! and they get the best care possible. If you have any questions or concerns please call me 906-353-7474. I can give you my Vet number, who is also reference for me. I can give you my AKC rep’s name and you can contact him, as he has been to my house several times. I can also give you numerous references from past buyers. “Do not spread false reports. Do not help a wicked man by being a malicious witness.” Exodus 23:1 Rose Edwards Ojibwa Yorkies 906-353-7474 yorkshire terrier puppy yorkie at yorkshire-terriers.com |
04-21-2010, 07:28 AM | #3 |
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| The problem now is you doing this to create more drama. If she could write all of this and send it to you in an email she could come on YT and tell her story herself You had to play into this by contacting her and getting a story to tell. The OP of the other thread said she had been trying to contact this breeder and the breeder had not returned any of her calls. She also was not trying to ruin this breeder, nor was she rude or malicious in her postings. She was bringing awareness of a situation that she thought was not right. YOU haven't seen the condition of these Yorkies, nor are you helping them to recover from the issues that they have. This breeder may have had a good reputation but in reading the conditions these dogs were in and knowing that a reputable breeder would not sell breeding bitches that had issues and problem litters without spaying them, because a true reputable breeder would be concerned about the dogs well being and future FIRST... makes one really wonder about the truth of her side of the story as well. And please don't quote the Bible if you aren't going to follow the advice in the quotes yourself.
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04-21-2010, 07:51 AM | #4 |
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| I don't usually wade into these discussions, but it is fair to hear both sides of a story. In the thread yesterday, the OP started out by saying that she wouldn't name names. Then, by the second page, she stated she had decided to without her friend's (the current owner) permission. There was also some conjecture by the OP that may or may not be true. I think the first post by the OP in that thread was more of a general warning of why folks need to be careful in shopping for a breeder, which is fine. It quickly morphed into a breeder review thread and too much was probably said with too little info. I hope this doesn't turn out to be a re-hashing of things already said. I just want to say that there are 2 sides to every story and both deserve to be heard. Certainly, anyone that feels attacked has the right to defend themselves. I don't have an opinion and don't want to have one. The original thread, with complaints about a breeder, should have been started by the owner of the dogs rather than a 'friend' if there were complaints to be made. Ok, so that's maybe an opinion...about the propriety of the thread rather than the content.
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04-21-2010, 07:58 AM | #5 |
Thor's Human Donating Member | Okay, since Woogie Man posted, I'm going to say something too: I've read both threads and am not sure what to think. HOWEVER, it drives me crazy when people immediately go to slander (it would be libel anyway) and threats to sue. It is so much more powerful (and professional) to plainly state your case without histronics. This thread is surely going to explode, and it's going to be way uglier and more embarrassing for this breeder than if she had taken some more time to word her response calmly.
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04-21-2010, 08:02 AM | #6 |
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| Hahaha....you wanted to see someone else go first . Honestly, this is just really strange. It's almost like a proxy war.
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04-21-2010, 08:09 AM | #7 |
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| I have 2 things to say about all of this: First, the OPer of this thread points a finger at Mimimomo for posting second hand information but then turns around and does the exact same thing Secondly, I find it interesting that the breeder came so quickly to her defense why hasn't she answered any emails as stated in the CLOSED thread Finally, (ok I guess I have 3 things to say) why is a CLOSED THREAD being rehashed which is a break in the YT Rules?
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04-21-2010, 08:13 AM | #8 | |
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All points are right on! Hopefully this thread will be closed too and the OP of this thread can deal with her obvious need to stir the pot in her own mind by herself.
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04-21-2010, 08:20 AM | #9 |
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| Why is this even here? If the breeder needed to defend herself she could handle the situation amongst the purchaser and Jenny, if needed. A closed thread needs to stay CLOSED not reopened to start more DRAMA. Jenny is a big girl and IF she was wrong in what she posted she would admit to it and apologize on behalf of herself and the "slander" (Libel) towards the breeder.
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04-21-2010, 08:36 AM | #10 |
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| As a breeder, I try to stay off this type of thread. I certainly think that it is proper to "out" a bad breeder but I do think that only a person that knows the breeder or the person that purchased from the breeder has the right to do so. How can anyone else make a negative comment about the breeder. I get extremely tired of coming to this site and watch while everyone jumps on the proverbial band-wagon to help bash a breeder. Every story involving a breeder and purchaser has two sides, but only two, the breeder and the purchaser. JMHO Audrey
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04-21-2010, 09:56 AM | #11 |
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| People like drama. This is why soaps are so big. I suggests that we non-actors keep the drama to the professionals. Let's get back to the dogs. I'm sick of these ego threads.
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04-21-2010, 10:01 AM | #12 |
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04-21-2010, 10:06 AM | #13 |
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| First & foremost, I want to make a public sincere apology to Rose Edwards. It was not my intention to turn my initial thread into something that would ruin her reputation. It was my mistake by naming her & posting w/out my friend's permission, so I had it closed. The opinions & assumptions stated on that thread are solely mine & are not in any way proof of neglect or wrong doing on Rose's part. Rose did call Jim last night, very upset & wanted the thread removed. I told Sumie that I will have it removed today & that it was already closed. According to my vet & x-rays, Fanny will need surgery on both knees if she is to live comfortably w/out suffering from arthritis in the future as she gets older. I think a second opinion by a specialist would be in order. They also got re-vaccinated, bc Rose was away & couldn't return our phone calls. Rose, I know that I cannot take back the damage that I've caused. I fully understand the blood, sweat & tears you went through to become who you are today. I just ask that you forgive my ignorance.
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04-21-2010, 10:20 AM | #14 |
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| i have several general comments 1. i think the breeder has a right to explain herself.. there are so many breeder bashing on here without always knowing both sides we are all behind screens and you never know who is telling the truth and that includes the "my breeder is so awful" threads..she could be p o'd about something she is omitting...NOT SAYING SHE as a direct finger comment just in general to all the threads but you just never know the "bad breeder" might be the honest one in some post and because someone else says differently we automatically awesome only the negative comments 2. i dont see how some on is bad breeder for not spaying first..its very common for the new owners to do it..1 to get the pet sooner, 2. proof of spay for either papers or reimbusement...stating someone is unethical because of that is absurd...if you feel someone is bad because they allowed the new owner to spay the pet, thats just finding something to complain about...sure the best intentions for the breed must be met but i honestly dont see how thats neglect....i havent read the previous post..but if the new owner is complain about spay..she knew before she got she wasnt...im sure...then maybe the new owner cant afford it and needs to whine about it...not saying this is true..but everyone assume the breeder is in the wrong..why cant people assume the new owner is wrong? because that wouldnt be right and it would be better to beat up on a breeder you dont know... 3. why people go to slander and attorney talk..well duh! lol...to keep people who dont have the facts from ruining their reputations..and i do think its a law not to slander people if there is a severe issue with the breeder...discussing it here is one thing without names but you need to have your facts and you should be dealing either with the breeder or if thats not working out..go to an attorney yourself..once you won your case then you have the facts to list with the breeders name (this is another general statment..not directed to any of the orginial ops) |
04-21-2010, 10:24 AM | #15 |
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| In the breeders defense We have had three yorkies from Rose, one passed away last year from old age (R.I.P Angel) who was the greatest pet, loyal, charming, and cute ...we also have Jaz who is creeping up there in age, but still doing great after years of shows and becoming a Canadian Champion. And our final dog is Miley, who my 3 year old son absolutely adores. I have yet to see anything "wrong" with our dogs (besides the wear and tear of old age) and ask those who have second thoughts and opinions about Rose to take into consideration her reputation. She cares for these dogs like they are her own children, and I know firsthand that she would never maliciously give someone a dog that she knows would not benefit the owner to a loving pet. Sincerely, Katie |
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