Females try to kill each other!

[BellaDonna]

Originally Posted by tammy8833

dern i missed the part where she ate the babies

but i believe the hormones getting out of wack like that can be typical ..thats alot of flying hormones and things will and can happen..

if you have ever lived with two women on that time its can get ugly..and i would image the same for dogs...

as far as the mom eating the other litter..im thinking its a alpha like issue related to the natural in stinks in the wild

She said she KILLED the others pups. That is bad enough.

[tammy8833]

Originally Posted by BellaDonna

She said she KILLED the others pups. That is bad enough.

i think its bad

but they are dogs and they do have different instinks then us and react differently. sounds like she is reacting like a dog in the wild.

i dont know what the right solution is but i dont think any rash decisions should be made...

i think she should talk to her vet
i think she should keep them separated

[Breny]

You are going to have to keep them seperated, or rehome. There is no other way around it. They will fight to kill. I have 2 girls who can't even LOOK at eachother. So I have to do what I have to do, to keep them seperated in order to protect them. I also never let any other dogs around pups.

Originally Posted by motherhen

We really need some help with this problem. We have two adult females, that when one is pregnant, they get into horrible fights! I mean they actually try to kill each other. Today, I could't even get them seperated till there was blood on both of them. Calypso is jealous of any attention the male gives to Pandora. She has even killed the puppies of Pandora. She acts like she is married to our male! The dogs have the run of the house, and we have no way to keep them seperate, unless we would cage them all the time. We really don't like that idea at all -- but we like the idea of a dead dog even worse. It seems like the fights are mainly right after one of us gets home, or if someone comes over. Pandora is definetly the 'alpha' dog, but Calypso is much bigger and stronger. Do all females do this? When our female pups get older will we have the same problem, or is this unique to these two?

[Brooklynn]

I've never had a problem with my bitches fighting each other but as I see it the females should always be seperated from the bitch with puppies and not be with another female anyway. I do not let my bitch with pups anywhere near the others because the one with pups is usually the protective one. I do see this as a problem with temperment problems and I wouldn't be breeding her since they were not her pups to begin with. Killing another bitches litter should have never happened and since it did you either need to keep them seperated or rehome one of them into a home where she is the only yorkie in the house regardless if she's shy and timid. My believe is if she's shy and timid she wasn't socialized properly in my opinion. I have males and females running my house and the only fights perse are my intact male and my neutered male over squeaky toys so we make sure they do not get into a situation where they get to the point of aggression over it and that is called supervision and when we aren't home they do not run the house.
I'm sad puppies had to die These are suppose to be domesticated dogs not in the wild but while they have tendancies we should be in the place where they are supervised when out together anyway. I never leave my dogs unsupervised even while running the house when here. They are always in the room with us. and then again my dogs are well socialized.

Donna

Donna

[motherhen]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I've never had a problem with my bitches fighting each other but as I see it the females should always be seperated from the bitch with puppies and not be with another female anyway. I do not let my bitch with pups anywhere near the others because the one with pups is usually the protective one. I do see this as a problem with temperment problems and I wouldn't be breeding her since they were not her pups to begin with. Killing another bitches litter should have never happened and since it did you either need to keep them seperated or rehome one of them into a home where she is the only yorkie in the house regardless if she's shy and timid. My believe is if she's shy and timid she wasn't socialized properly in my opinion. I have males and females running my house and the only fights perse are my intact male and my neutered male over squeaky toys so we make sure they do not get into a situation where they get to the point of aggression over it and that is called supervision and when we aren't home they do not run the house.
I'm sad puppies had to die These are suppose to be domesticated dogs not in the wild but while they have tendancies we should be in the place where they are supervised when out together anyway. I never leave my dogs unsupervised even while running the house when here. They are always in the room with us. and then again my dogs are well socialized.

Donna

Donna

I'm sure that you did not really mean to be insulting, so I will assume that I am reading this wrong. My dogs are very well socialized, and like a few others have mentioned -- sometimes females do things during the heat time, that otherwise they would not do. When they are not in heat, both of them have cleaned the other's eyes, and they sleep together a lot.
My dogs are also supervised and on the whole very well behaved. I was asking the question to see if anyone else had the problem -- not to be chastized for some fault that you have made up about me on how I am with my dogs. Like everyone else, I love my dogs, treat them kindly, spoil them rotten, and take care of situations as they arise. Asking for guidence for a problem does not mean that someone is at fault for the problem. Sometimes, a problem is just a problem.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by motherhen

I'm sure that you did not really mean to be insulting, so I will assume that I am reading this wrong. My dogs are very well socialized, and like a few others have mentioned -- sometimes females do things during the heat time, that otherwise they would not do. When they are not in heat, both of them have cleaned the other's eyes, and they sleep together a lot.
My dogs are also supervised and on the whole very well behaved. I was asking the question to see if anyone else had the problem -- not to be chastized for some fault that you have made up about me on how I am with my dogs. Like everyone else, I love my dogs, treat them kindly, spoil them rotten, and take care of situations as they arise. Asking for guidence for a problem does not mean that someone is at fault for the problem. Sometimes, a problem is just a problem.

I didn't mean to be insulting but the bitch with pups should have not been accessable to the other bitch. If they fight in heat they should be seperated while in heat. Again, when I have a bitch with pups they are in a completely different room and the other dogs do not have access to the bitch with pups is all I'm saying. Fighting and drawing blood is a very serious problem.
I know that my two males are very well socialized BUT I do know they have agressive issues with each other over squeaky toys so we are always on alert with them when they are in the mood to play with them and they are supervised and put in pens when we are away so they won't be tempted to play with a squeaky since the toys are always available.
I do believe in some cases the adults can be at fault but not on purpose perse as in letting a known bitch that can be agressive/jealous as you said in your own words while in heat and then they should be seperated until the heat passes. You also stated that you can't seperate them because they are free to roam the house. Please don't take offense and I'm sorry I said they may need to be more socialized as I do not know you personally.
But I do still stand behind what i said that bitches with pups need to be completely seperated so puppies dying by the deed of another bitch need not occur. Again, I apologize for the socialization part...

Donna

[WinstonMom]

I have two girls that hate each other as well. It started over a heat and a pregnancy, it did die down after the pups were weaned, but the next time one of them went into heat it started again and never stopped. I also have the same situation with two boys, my intact male will not tolerate the old neutered boy. So I have an ex-pen set up in my kitchen and we rotate, one boy and one girl in the ex-pen at all times.
The boys, I have actually had less problem with than the girls. At least with the boys, I can always tell when it is going to start. There is always lots of posturing first, but the girls, you just never know. The can be sound asleep on different sides of the room and then one of them will just fly across the room and attack the other for what looks to me like no reason. I just can't trust the girls.
The other thing I have found with the girls is that family ties run strong with mothers and daughters. I have four girls, the two that fight and each one has a daughter living with us. If a fight does break out the daughters will jump in on the fight as well, each of them backing their mother. I have also never seen a daughter challenge her mother for anything even when they are older they seem to have a certain amount of respect for their mom.
Although our dogs have long been domesticated they are still dogs and their instincts still run strong.

Audrey

[motherhen]

Originally Posted by WinstonMom

I have two girls that hate each other as well. It started over a heat and a pregnancy, it did die down after the pups were weaned, but the next time one of them went into heat it started again and never stopped. I also have the same situation with two boys, my intact male will not tolerate the old neutered boy. So I have an ex-pen set up in my kitchen and we rotate, one boy and one girl in the ex-pen at all times.
The boys, I have actually had less problem with than the girls. At least with the boys, I can always tell when it is going to start. There is always lots of posturing first, but the girls, you just never know. The can be sound asleep on different sides of the room and then one of them will just fly across the room and attack the other for what looks to me like no reason. I just can't trust the girls.
The other thing I have found with the girls is that family ties run strong with mothers and daughters. I have four girls, the two that fight and each one has a daughter living with us. If a fight does break out the daughters will jump in on the fight as well, each of them backing their mother. I have also never seen a daughter challenge her mother for anything even when they are older they seem to have a certain amount of respect for their mom.
Although our dogs have long been domesticated they are still dogs and their instincts still run strong.

Audrey

Thanks, Audrey! You described how the females will do perfectly. We don't have any daughters here by either of them, so at least I don't have that problem. We will just have to try to make room somehow, to do the xpen thing -- that would be better then a cage/crate. We do have an xpen, it's just finding enough room to put it up. Anway, thanks for stating it better then I could, on how they can change their attitude so quickly!
Barb

[WinstonMom]

Originally Posted by motherhen

Thanks, Audrey! You described how the females will do perfectly. We don't have any daughters here by either of them, so at least I don't have that problem. We will just have to try to make room somehow, to do the xpen thing -- that would be better then a cage/crate. We do have an xpen, it's just finding enough room to put it up. Anway, thanks for stating it better then I could, on how they can change their attitude so quickly!
Barb

We don't really have room for the expen either, but you just sort of learn to shuffle your way around it. My house is decorated in doggy decor anyways with the crates all over and the expen in the kitchen. It is just necessary though with these two girls. The last time they had a fight we had to get out a pair of leather welding gloves to pry Hannah's jaw off of Olivia's neck, so once I realized that Hannah was in it to kill Olivia, I just had to make sure it never happens again. By the way, I forgot to mention that both these girls are retired from breeding and have been spayed but that did not stop the fighting. I probably should find a new home for one of them, it is hard once they have captured your heart, but I have to stop being selfish and realize that both of them would be better off and happier to live apart.

Audrey

[motherhen]

Originally Posted by WinstonMom

We don't really have room for the expen either, but you just sort of learn to shuffle your way around it. My house is decorated in doggy decor anyways with the crates all over and the expen in the kitchen. It is just necessary though with these two girls. The last time they had a fight we had to get out a pair of leather welding gloves to pry Hannah's jaw off of Olivia's neck, so once I realized that Hannah was in it to kill Olivia, I just had to make sure it never happens again. By the way, I forgot to mention that both these girls are retired from breeding and have been spayed but that did not stop the fighting. I probably should find a new home for one of them, it is hard once they have captured your heart, but I have to stop being selfish and realize that both of them would be better off and happier to live apart.

Audrey

I hear ya about the gloves -- I had to use my cane today, and still couldn't get the jaws off of a foot! Hubby finally got them though, now they are as mild as little mice. Of course they are both sore and tired so that helps.
The spaying didn't help? Well there goes that idea!
Yes, when they capture your heart it is so sad to part with them.
Calypso was abused before we got her -- she was really bad off as far as interacting with humans. We felt so sorry for her, and have really pampered her along. She goes into panic mode, when I get the yardstick to measure an afghan, or use my grabber to get something off of a shelf. She used to hide in the corner and wouldn't let us even pet her. Slowly she came out of it, and perks up her ears and runs to us when we call her. But, still, she will be the one that has to go, if we can't get this under control once and for all.
Barb

[livingdustmops]

So let me get this right...this was an abused dog that you got and then started breeding?

Who did you get this dog from?

[ChantalB]

Originally Posted by WinstonMom

I have two girls that hate each other as well. It started over a heat and a pregnancy, it did die down after the pups were weaned, but the next time one of them went into heat it started again and never stopped. I also have the same situation with two boys, my intact male will not tolerate the old neutered boy. So I have an ex-pen set up in my kitchen and we rotate, one boy and one girl in the ex-pen at all times.
The boys, I have actually had less problem with than the girls. At least with the boys, I can always tell when it is going to start. There is always lots of posturing first, but the girls, you just never know. The can be sound asleep on different sides of the room and then one of them will just fly across the room and attack the other for what looks to me like no reason. I just can't trust the girls.
The other thing I have found with the girls is that family ties run strong with mothers and daughters. I have four girls, the two that fight and each one has a daughter living with us. If a fight does break out the daughters will jump in on the fight as well, each of them backing their mother. I have also never seen a daughter challenge her mother for anything even when they are older they seem to have a certain amount of respect for their mom.
Although our dogs have long been domesticated they are still dogs and their instincts still run strong.

Audrey

I have the same problem with Astra and Lucy. It also start with Astra first heat. If the fight doesn't break out, Mika will jump in to help Lucy, her mother. She did it twice. After that, Mika start to sometime fallow Astra in a stiff way. Now I NEVER let Astra alone with Lucy or Mika. They are together when I am around them and at night and but if I leave the house, they are separated at all time. And if one is on heat/pregnant or have a litter, I won't let them alone at night either. I leave them in different rooms or crates one of them. R

My two male use male used to fight really bad too. When Tom start is stud carrier, Teddy start attacking him all the time. Teddy got fix but that didn't stop him. Tom was basically living under the sofa, hiding 24/7. So I had to gave Teddy to my haunt. Sometime re-homing is the best solution.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by motherhen

I hear ya about the gloves -- I had to use my cane today, and still couldn't get the jaws off of a foot! Hubby finally got them though, now they are as mild as little mice. Of course they are both sore and tired so that helps.
The spaying didn't help? Well there goes that idea!
Yes, when they capture your heart it is so sad to part with them.
Calypso was abused before we got her -- she was really bad off as far as interacting with humans. We felt so sorry for her, and have really pampered her along. She goes into panic mode, when I get the yardstick to measure an afghan, or use my grabber to get something off of a shelf. She used to hide in the corner and wouldn't let us even pet her. Slowly she came out of it, and perks up her ears and runs to us when we call her. But, still, she will be the one that has to go, if we can't get this under control once and for all.
Barb

Please don't take this as offense and by no means is it meant to be but why would the abused yorkie be the one? I feel sorry for that one because of what she's already been through and to be rehomed again? How sad

[MyTrixie143]

I myself have never had my girls fight but I have heard it happen on here with others many times. My girls are very close and get along great and have never gotten into a fight. I've even had a girl jump into another pen with the other mother and puppies as she wanted to help take care of them. I don't allow it as I fear that something could go wrong but it happened a couple of times before I found a way of covering the expens to keep them out. Doesn't happen anymore since I figured a way of covering it but it was pretty amusing the first time I saw the wrong mother nursing the wrong puppies.

The only fights we have around here is between the boys when a girl is in heat. Any other time and the boys are great with each other. So now when a girl is coming in heat we separate the boys and it solves the problem.

You really need to separate them if they are fighting. They should always be separated when one is pregnant or has puppies.

[MyTrixie143]

Originally Posted by WinstonMom

The other thing I have found with the girls is that family ties run strong with mothers and daughters. I have four girls, the two that fight and each one has a daughter living with us. If a fight does break out the daughters will jump in on the fight as well, each of them backing their mother. I have also never seen a daughter challenge her mother for anything even when they are older they seem to have a certain amount of respect for their mom.
Although our dogs have long been domesticated they are still dogs and their instincts still run strong.

Audrey

Maybe this is why I've never had any problems with my girls. They are all mother/daughter/grand daughter or half siblings.