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colormyyorkie · 02-02-2010, 07:16 AM

I am confused. I have a Full AKC registered parti-colored female Yorkie. She is white with a blonde/white head. The lady that I got her from had 1 litter with her, 5 puppies. 2 parti-colored and 3 black and tan. This is her 1st litter with my male, who is a parti-gene carrier. He has had 4 litters before with my other female. Their puppies have had a lot of white on the chest and belly and the feet were white also. My other female is a black and tan. My Parti-colored Yorkie just had her babies. all black and tan???? So I am very confused as to why she did not have any Parti-colored Yorkies. I thought the rule of thumb was if you breed a parti-colored Yorkie and a Parti-gene carrier you will get 1/2 and 1/2?? I know that it is the male I have that is the carrier because he has had a litter with another female and they had full white chests and back feet were white. Can anyone that is breeding the parti-colred yorkies explain why she might not have had any parti-colored yorkies????

Breny · 02-02-2010, 09:14 AM

HI! Welcome to YT

Can I ask what your boys (your carrier boy) parents looked like?

colormyyorkie · 02-02-2010, 09:22 AM

Hi Yes the dam was all blonde with a white chest, the sire had a silver blue head and the black and tan body.

Nancy1999 · 02-02-2010, 09:34 AM

Hi, I'm no breeder, but I know a little about genetics and statistics. The parti color is a recessive gene, when you are breeding for a recessive gene, you must get 2 recessive genes for the trait to show up. The parti color parent can only give one recessive gene to each offspring, the carrier can either give a recessive gene or a dominant gene, so what he gives is 50/50. The confusion arises when people believe that 50/50 odds mean half the pups in a litter will be born as carriers and the others as parti colored. Statistics doesn't work this way, it's out of 100 dogs "chances" are 50 will be born as carrier, and 50 will be born that show the parti trait. Think of a coin toss, chances are 50% heads, and 50% tails, but if you toss it four times, you could get 4 heads in a roll, or 4 tails, it's only as you continue to toss it 100 times that the 50% rule show up, and it won't show up every time.

If you have two parti dogs mating, 100% of the offspring will be parti colored, they cannot give the dominant gene to the offspring, so they will always be parti colored.

colormyyorkie · 02-02-2010, 09:45 AM

I have never heard it put that way, But it explains it TOTALLY. For not being a breeder your smart about the parti-color. I understand it perfectly. So in order to make sure she has Parti-colored Yorkies, I need to mate her with a full akc parti-colored male. Or if she keeps mating with the carrier down the road, I might get lucky and get a parti-colored Yorkie?

JeanieK · 02-02-2010, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by colormyyorkie

I am confused. I have a Full AKC registered parti-colored female Yorkie. She is white with a blonde/white head. The lady that I got her from had 1 litter with her, 5 puppies. 2 parti-colored and 3 black and tan. This is her 1st litter with my male, who is a parti-gene carrier. He has had 4 litters before with my other female. Their puppies have had a lot of white on the chest and belly and the feet were white also. My other female is a black and tan. My Parti-colored Yorkie just had her babies. all black and tan???? So I am very confused as to why she did not have any Parti-colored Yorkies. I thought the rule of thumb was if you breed a parti-colored Yorkie and a Parti-gene carrier you will get 1/2 and 1/2?? I know that it is the male I have that is the carrier because he has had a litter with another female and they had full white chests and back feet were white. Can anyone that is breeding the parti-colred yorkies explain why she might not have had any parti-colored yorkies????

Those are the odds, not the rule. It just depends on which genes the male happens to throw. Next litter could be all partis.

I had a carrier male that produced 0 parti puppies in 3 litters with my 2 parti girls. the breeder, whom I trust, did not have any answers either. I neutered him and got a parti stud.

Nancy1999 · 02-02-2010, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by colormyyorkie

I have never heard it put that way, But it explains it TOTALLY. For not being a breeder your smart about the parti-color. I understand it perfectly. So in order to make sure she has Parti-colored Yorkies, I need to mate her with a full akc parti-colored male. Or if she keeps mating with the carrier down the road, I might get lucky and get a parti-colored Yorkie?

Glad you understand, yes you are correct, if you want to ensure all the puppies will be parti colored, mating with a full parti colored will do that.

JeanieK · 02-02-2010, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by colormyyorkie

Hi Yes the dam was all blonde with a white chest, the sire had a silver blue head and the black and tan body.

Blonde? with a white chest. That does not sound like a parti to me. A parti would have been white with tan on her head and some black on her body.

Do you have pictures or does she have them pictured on her website?

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colormyyorkie · 02-02-2010, 09:56 AM

You guys are great. I am glad that I joined this forum. My little guy is so great of a stud. 1st 3 litters he had 4 in each 3 girls and 1 boy each litter, 4th litter he had 3 2 girls and 1 boy, this litter he had 3 2 girls and 1 boy. So he is great at producing girls. I guess I will just add another male to the pack. Has anyone had a problem with 2 male studs in the house?

JeanieK · 02-02-2010, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by colormyyorkie

You guys are great. I am glad that I joined this forum. My little guy is so great of a stud. 1st 3 litters he had 4 in each 3 girls and 1 boy each litter, 4th litter he had 3 2 girls and 1 boy, this litter he had 3 2 girls and 1 boy. So he is great at producing girls. I guess I will just add another male to the pack. Has anyone had a problem with 2 male studs in the house?

No problem with two studs, except for the marking. I have had more problems with the females fighting than the males.

colormyyorkie · 02-02-2010, 10:00 AM

I can get some pictures of her tomorrow. and post them on this forum. Her papers are AKC and show that she is a Parti-colored. I know that 4 pictures of her each side, front and from the back were sent to AKC and they ruled that she was in fact full akc Parti-colored. Blonde as in very light colored blonde. I will have to post some pictures so that you can tell me what you think

colormyyorkie · 02-02-2010, 10:02 AM

My females do get into too, LOL my male does not mark anything, But I am sure when another comes in he will. Is there anything you can do to stop the marking?

Nancy1999 · 02-02-2010, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by colormyyorkie

My females do get into too, LOL my male does not mark anything, But I am sure when another comes in he will. Is there anything you can do to stop the marking?

Marking is considered a "wired in" behavior, and it's very hard to stop. Think of it something like a sneeze, once you start the process, it's very hard to stop a sneeze, and even if someone were to tell you they'd beat you if you sneezed again you still would have little control over it. Unneutered males, tend to mark, and using bellybands to hold a pad can be very helpful. Some of our members makes some really cute ones.

JeanieK · 02-02-2010, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by colormyyorkie

My females do get into too, LOL my male does not mark anything, But I am sure when another comes in he will. Is there anything you can do to stop the marking?

You can use belly bands and just take the off when they go outside.

Just because her AKC papers say she is parti, does not mean she is. She could be a blonde that carries for the parti.

They used to mark puppies papers according to the color of their mothers because as puppies it is hard to tell what color they are going to be as adults.

kristierivera · 03-21-2010, 10:18 PM

On the average of 4 puppies you will get the following results.
Breeding a Full Parti to Full Parti will result in all Parti puppies.
Breeding a Full Parti to a Parti gene Carrier you will have 2 Full Parti
and 2 parti gene Carriers. When breeding a parti gene Carrier to a
parti gene Carrier, you will get 1 full Parti and 2 parti gene carriers and
1 traditional puppy. Breeding a Parti carrier to a traditional will produce
2 parti color carriers and 2 traditional puppies. Since this is only an average

you may have more less parti puppies in a litter!

02-02-2010, 07:16 AM	#1
colormyyorkie Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Greeneville TN U.S.A. Posts: 21	Parti color question? I am confused. I have a Full AKC registered parti-colored female Yorkie. She is white with a blonde/white head. The lady that I got her from had 1 litter with her, 5 puppies. 2 parti-colored and 3 black and tan. This is her 1st litter with my male, who is a parti-gene carrier. He has had 4 litters before with my other female. Their puppies have had a lot of white on the chest and belly and the feet were white also. My other female is a black and tan. My Parti-colored Yorkie just had her babies. all black and tan???? So I am very confused as to why she did not have any Parti-colored Yorkies. I thought the rule of thumb was if you breed a parti-colored Yorkie and a Parti-gene carrier you will get 1/2 and 1/2?? I know that it is the male I have that is the carrier because he has had a litter with another female and they had full white chests and back feet were white. Can anyone that is breeding the parti-colred yorkies explain why she might not have had any parti-colored yorkies????

02-02-2010, 09:14 AM	#2
Breny My Tiny Treasures Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: . Posts: 11,790 Blog Entries: 3	HI! Welcome to YT Can I ask what your boys (your carrier boy) parents looked like? __________________ http://Brenysbabies.com

02-02-2010, 09:34 AM	#4
Nancy1999 I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arizona Posts: 25,396 Blog Entries: 2	Hi, I'm no breeder, but I know a little about genetics and statistics. The parti color is a recessive gene, when you are breeding for a recessive gene, you must get 2 recessive genes for the trait to show up. The parti color parent can only give one recessive gene to each offspring, the carrier can either give a recessive gene or a dominant gene, so what he gives is 50/50. The confusion arises when people believe that 50/50 odds mean half the pups in a litter will be born as carriers and the others as parti colored. Statistics doesn't work this way, it's out of 100 dogs "chances" are 50 will be born as carrier, and 50 will be born that show the parti trait. Think of a coin toss, chances are 50% heads, and 50% tails, but if you toss it four times, you could get 4 heads in a roll, or 4 tails, it's only as you continue to toss it 100 times that the 50% rule show up, and it won't show up every time. If you have two parti dogs mating, 100% of the offspring will be parti colored, they cannot give the dominant gene to the offspring, so they will always be parti colored. __________________ NancyJoey Proud members of the CrAzYcLuB and YAP! ** Just Say No to Puppymills – Join YAP! Yorkshire Terrier Club of America – Breeder Referrals

03-21-2010, 10:18 PM	#15
kristierivera YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Kissimmee, FL, USA Posts: 2	Breeding Parti Color Yorkies On the average of 4 puppies you will get the following results. Breeding a Full Parti to Full Parti will result in all Parti puppies. Breeding a Full Parti to a Parti gene Carrier you will have 2 Full Parti and 2 parti gene Carriers. When breeding a parti gene Carrier to a parti gene Carrier, you will get 1 full Parti and 2 parti gene carriers and 1 traditional puppy. Breeding a Parti carrier to a traditional will produce 2 parti color carriers and 2 traditional puppies. Since this is only an average you may have more less parti puppies in a litter!

02-02-2010, 09:22 AM	#3
colormyyorkie Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Greeneville TN U.S.A. Posts: 21	Hi Yes the dam was all blonde with a white chest, the sire had a silver blue head and the black and tan body.

02-02-2010, 09:45 AM	#5
colormyyorkie Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Greeneville TN U.S.A. Posts: 21	I have never heard it put that way, But it explains it TOTALLY. For not being a breeder your smart about the parti-color. I understand it perfectly. So in order to make sure she has Parti-colored Yorkies, I need to mate her with a full akc parti-colored male. Or if she keeps mating with the carrier down the road, I might get lucky and get a parti-colored Yorkie?

02-02-2010, 09:56 AM	#9
colormyyorkie Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Greeneville TN U.S.A. Posts: 21	You guys are great. I am glad that I joined this forum. My little guy is so great of a stud. 1st 3 litters he had 4 in each 3 girls and 1 boy each litter, 4th litter he had 3 2 girls and 1 boy, this litter he had 3 2 girls and 1 boy. So he is great at producing girls. I guess I will just add another male to the pack. Has anyone had a problem with 2 male studs in the house?

02-02-2010, 10:00 AM	#11
colormyyorkie Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Greeneville TN U.S.A. Posts: 21	I can get some pictures of her tomorrow. and post them on this forum. Her papers are AKC and show that she is a Parti-colored. I know that 4 pictures of her each side, front and from the back were sent to AKC and they ruled that she was in fact full akc Parti-colored. Blonde as in very light colored blonde. I will have to post some pictures so that you can tell me what you think

02-02-2010, 10:02 AM	#12
colormyyorkie Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Greeneville TN U.S.A. Posts: 21	My females do get into too, LOL my male does not mark anything, But I am sure when another comes in he will. Is there anything you can do to stop the marking?