Ellie has Eclampsia

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Breny

Oh wow ok. So it really can happen anytime. Thats scary. I give my girls whelping pudding, puppy food, and a whole DocRoys Healthy Bones pill each day.

Eclampsia is most common during the first three weeks of lactation. It can occur up to six weeks after delivery. But, it can also happen prior to whelp (very rare). But, some girls have experienced it up to 10 weeks after delivery....

[Breny]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

How do your girls do with the DocRoys bones?? I had read that a few people on here use them (I think recommeded by BJH)...but with Livi being so picky, I didn't know if she would like them. It seems like everyone is having a great success with them, though.

To be honest at first they were picky with them but now they are taking them willingly. I do have one girl who wont eat them unless there is another dog around haha

[Breny]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Eclampsia is most common during the first three weeks of lactation. It can occur up to six weeks after delivery. But, it can also happen prior to whelp (very rare). But, some girls have experienced it up to 10 weeks after delivery....

Right. I meant "anytime"..as in even when you are doing everything you can to prevent it, and thats whats scary to me! Since I take precautions to try and prevent it, it still could happen.

[carmen in nj]

Originally Posted by Breny

To be honest at first they were picky with them but now they are taking them willingly. I do have one girl who wont eat them unless there is another dog around haha

I crush them and mix them with her wet food and bingo she takes them all the time...LOL you have to outsmart them... my girls LOVE their wet food..

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by carmen in nj

I crush them and mix them with her wet food and bingo she takes them all the time...LOL you have to outsmart them... my girls LOVE their wet food..

I really grind them up and put them in their scrambled egg.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Breny

Right. I meant "anytime"..as in even when you are doing everything you can to prevent it, and thats whats scary to me! Since I take precautions to try and prevent it, it still could happen.

Breny, I think I've posted this on several threads......but, maybe I'll have admin make a sticky out of it and put it in the Breeder's section.

Oral Cal Plus
new product from revival, same as calsorb with out the nasty taste, does not make them vomit.

If you must give calsorb, put it on your finger, and rub in bitches mouth, gums, inside of mouth, underneath tongue, then follow with nutrical, don’t just squirt a blob in their mouth. Even if they throw up, it HAS absorbed (not 100%.. but a lot) because the bloodstream picks it up immediately through the mouth..it does not have to be digested to work. Give calsorb or Oral Cal Plus if bitch is exhibiting signs of eclampsia. Some signs are very subtle. My bitch would dig like crazy when I took her outside, then try to climb up the side of the wall of the house…that was her first sign she was going south for me.. and we’d treat with calsorb immediately. Anything “odd” should be taken as a sign…especially, panting, pacing, restless behavior etc… understanding of course that bitches pant after delivery anyways for a few days.

To hold eclampsia at bay, so it never comes at all… forget everything about giving tums, cottage cheese, cheese, icecream.. etc. It’s useless. The body needs the calcium to be delivered with the correct ratio of Vit D and Phosphorus or it doesn’t absorb it, it’s useless. Pet Cal has this correct ratio. Another thing that has it is, believe it or not.. a scrambled whole egg! Of course everyone knows not to start calcium until the litter is whelped.. no giving it to PG bitches… I do give some calsorb during whelping If things slow down on a larger litter, but never before whelping. Make it a general practice to scramble your bitch an egg every day, and depending on weight, give ½ to a whole pet tab per day. I gave it to a 8 lb bitch ½ in the morning ½ at night…this is the “daily dose” for about a 20 lb dog who was NOT nursing a litter…so just fine for ½ the size, but nursing a litter. I would grind up the pet tab in the food processor and put the powder in the egg when I scrambled it.

Also, check your dog food for Soybeans, soy protein, or anything related to soy in any way. For SOME reason that is not completely understood by me (many menopause supplements contain soy, or are soy based, so this seems to be a contradiction).. soy protein can interfere with the absorption of calcium in dogs. If your food has soy of any sort, change to a food that does not for the duration of the weaning of the litter.

[blancla]

I wrap mine in cheese and she will eat it that way. Otherwise, she spits it out.

[Brooklynn]

I have a friend right now and her bitch is on 58 days of her pregnancy and she's fighting eclamcia now and her bitch has been at the vet hospital now for the last 2 days getting IV"s and had a blood transfusion yesterday. Almost lost the bitch yesterday twice but so far the bitch is holding her own with 8 puppies, 2 are dead but 6 are still alive and will have a c-section in the morning when they stablize her blood count so she can survive surgery. I write this because I want those to "PAY" attention that even when everything seems to be going good and nothing can happen the rare thing happens and can you imagine the vet bills at this point for my friend????
Please before you breed KNOW the unexpected can happen even if the bitch has delivered before...this is this bitches second litter and this has never happpend. BE PREPARED!!!!! It's been a long exhausting couple of days for my friend!!! Mary...by the way....the whelping pudding is helping extremely in this case!!!

Donna Bird

[blancla]

I hope your friend's girl is going to be alright. I am so sorry that this is happening to her.

[Breny]

I have 3 tubes of the Oral Cal Plus too! No more nasty taste. The calsorb ALWAYS made my girl throw up...I hated that.
Do give an scrambled egg everyday? and for how long? I have not done this religously..but have given 1 scrambled egg here and there.

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Breny, I think I've posted this on several threads......but, maybe I'll have admin make a sticky out of it and put it in the Breeder's section.

Oral Cal Plus
new product from revival, same as calsorb with out the nasty taste, does not make them vomit.

If you must give calsorb, put it on your finger, and rub in bitches mouth, gums, inside of mouth, underneath tongue, then follow with nutrical, don’t just squirt a blob in their mouth. Even if they throw up, it HAS absorbed (not 100%.. but a lot) because the bloodstream picks it up immediately through the mouth..it does not have to be digested to work. Give calsorb or Oral Cal Plus if bitch is exhibiting signs of eclampsia. Some signs are very subtle. My bitch would dig like crazy when I took her outside, then try to climb up the side of the wall of the house…that was her first sign she was going south for me.. and we’d treat with calsorb immediately. Anything “odd” should be taken as a sign…especially, panting, pacing, restless behavior etc… understanding of course that bitches pant after delivery anyways for a few days.

To hold eclampsia at bay, so it never comes at all… forget everything about giving tums, cottage cheese, cheese, icecream.. etc. It’s useless. The body needs the calcium to be delivered with the correct ratio of Vit D and Phosphorus or it doesn’t absorb it, it’s useless. Pet Cal has this correct ratio. Another thing that has it is, believe it or not.. a scrambled whole egg! Of course everyone knows not to start calcium until the litter is whelped.. no giving it to PG bitches… I do give some calsorb during whelping If things slow down on a larger litter, but never before whelping. Make it a general practice to scramble your bitch an egg every day, and depending on weight, give ½ to a whole pet tab per day. I gave it to a 8 lb bitch ½ in the morning ½ at night…this is the “daily dose” for about a 20 lb dog who was NOT nursing a litter…so just fine for ½ the size, but nursing a litter. I would grind up the pet tab in the food processor and put the powder in the egg when I scrambled it.

Also, check your dog food for Soybeans, soy protein, or anything related to soy in any way. For SOME reason that is not completely understood by me (many menopause supplements contain soy, or are soy based, so this seems to be a contradiction).. soy protein can interfere with the absorption of calcium in dogs. If your food has soy of any sort, change to a food that does not for the duration of the weaning of the litter.

[yorkie mom of 3]

Ok quick question I have a momma 4 babies they are 2 weeks old today.. momma weighs about 5.5 lbs ... vet said .25 pet tab in am and .25 of a pet tab pm. Im kinda thinking 1/2 in am 1/2 in pm exp. since pups are eatting more and getting bigger.. whats your thoughts ?

[Breny]

Wow that poor girl and your friend. I have heard of this happened before whelping too. I hope she improves and delivers safely.

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I have a friend right now and her bitch is on 58 days of her pregnancy and she's fighting eclamcia now and her bitch has been at the vet hospital now for the last 2 days getting IV"s and had a blood transfusion yesterday. Almost lost the bitch yesterday twice but so far the bitch is holding her own with 8 puppies, 2 are dead but 6 are still alive and will have a c-section in the morning when they stablize her blood count so she can survive surgery. I write this because I want those to "PAY" attention that even when everything seems to be going good and nothing can happen the rare thing happens and can you imagine the vet bills at this point for my friend????
Please before you breed KNOW the unexpected can happen even if the bitch has delivered before...this is this bitches second litter and this has never happpend. BE PREPARED!!!!! It's been a long exhausting couple of days for my friend!!! Mary...by the way....the whelping pudding is helping extremely in this case!!!

Donna Bird

[Breny]

Originally Posted by yorkie mom of 3

Ok quick question I have a momma 4 babies they are 2 weeks old today.. momma weighs about 5.5 lbs ... vet said .25 pet tab in am and .25 of a pet tab pm. Im kinda thinking 1/2 in am 1/2 in pm exp. since pups are eatting more and getting bigger.. whats your thoughts ?

Personally I'd do half in the AM and Half in the PM for that sized litter. I'd also give her whelping pudding too

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Breny

Wow that poor girl and your friend. I have heard of this happened before whelping too. I hope she improves and delivers safely.

Thank you but so far God has answered our prayers and she's holding her own right now She came home last night and was almost back to her normal self but the vets wanted her back this morning so they could monitor her throughout the day and keep her calcium levels up. She was actually eating the pudding last night and this morning good sign!! We are just keeping our fingers crossed that the bitch will pull through. At this point it's all about the bitch and if a puppy or two survives that's great but the concern is for the bitch at this point!

Donna

[carmen in nj]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I have a friend right now and her bitch is on 58 days of her pregnancy and she's fighting eclamcia now and her bitch has been at the vet hospital now for the last 2 days getting IV"s and had a blood transfusion yesterday. Almost lost the bitch yesterday twice but so far the bitch is holding her own with 8 puppies, 2 are dead but 6 are still alive and will have a c-section in the morning when they stablize her blood count so she can survive surgery. I write this because I want those to "PAY" attention that even when everything seems to be going good and nothing can happen the rare thing happens and can you imagine the vet bills at this point for my friend????
Please before you breed KNOW the unexpected can happen even if the bitch has delivered before...this is this bitches second litter and this has never happpend. BE PREPARED!!!!! It's been a long exhausting couple of days for my friend!!! Mary...by the way....the whelping pudding is helping extremely in this case!!!

Donna Bird

yes, situations like that are my worse nightmare, from the moment by bitch is mated, I start giving her more food, a scrambled egg every other day and such.. you can NEVER be too careful, prenatal care is as important as after whelp care..
glad your girl is doing better please keep us inform of her progress..
best of luck..
hugs,
CArmen in nj