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bjh 11-15-2009 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2881929)
You're right, but the sack will emerge much easier than that pup....The bulge is under the tail, then it's out........

I know in the beginning when I saw the sack and was unsure....I'd gently push on the outer edge to see if I felt any resistance, or just felt like a water ballon.
That is right and it will be clear looking. Many newbies have a fear of breaking the water sack but in reality the water stack has to break for the labor to progress. The fluid in the water sack is designed to lubricate the birth canal. Sometimes the water sack will just break on its own before you see it and you will just see a bunch of fluids coming out.

Marc 11-15-2009 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by WinstonMom (Post 2881935)
Marc, my very first litter, my little girl went about 12 hours just laying in her whelping box (or trying to hide under my bed). If you have a good relationship with your vet, you may want to call and give them a head's up with what's happening, just in case you have to contact them in the middle of the night, it's nice if they have a little warning. However, if your little girl looks like she is not stressed, go with your gut, she is probably just having a long labor as it is her first litter. Be glad she is giving YOU some warning, I have had one give no warning at all, just squat and push out a pup in the middle of my kitchen floor, no warning at all.
Yes. Good thinking. I have his and his assistants cell numbers. His assistant is his daughter so I will try and reach her this evening for heads up just in case. She is well aware that the time is near as I spoke to her yesterday.

WinstonMom 11-15-2009 03:26 PM
If she thinks she has to poo all the time, she is progressing well. You should start noticing contractions soon, earlier contractions sometimes just look like a shudder or kind of a rippling through her body, real pushing usually starts later.

Marc 11-15-2009 03:31 PM
Thanks Winston!

Ok, I just found some brownish/redish stuff on my blanket that she ruffled up. She cleaned her vulva so I don't see anything there....but her long hair around her tail and bum is also wet with this. I don't think it's diareha cause it doesn't have a poop smell really.

starstella92 11-15-2009 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Marc (Post 2881956)
Thanks Winston!

Ok, I just found some brownish/redish stuff on my blanket that she ruffled up. She cleaned her vulva so I don't see anything there....but her long hair around her tail and bum is also wet with this. I don't think it's diareha cause it doesn't have a poop smell really.
Marc,
Our little Maya started spotting and having discharge hours before she was in active labor, chances are your little girl is in the beginning stages of labor. Keep us posted and let us know how things are progressing. Hoping things progress nicely,
Tara:)

Marc 11-15-2009 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by starstella92 (Post 2882051)
Marc,
Our little Maya started spotting and having discharge hours before she was in active labor, chances are your little girl is in the beginning stages of labor. Keep us posted and let us know how things are progressing. Hoping things progress nicely,
Tara:)

Thanks. It just wiggs me out that she's so calm and sleepy....I imagined her being much more fidgety than this. She changes position every half hour or so....but that's it!

bjh 11-15-2009 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Marc (Post 2882123)
Thanks. It just wiggs me out that she's so calm and sleepy....I imagined her being much more fidgety than this. She changes position every half hour or so....but that's it!
From observing my girls when they are in early stages of labor they will lay calmly and they will fidget and move when they have a contraction. Once the contractions start getting heavy then the frantic digging and panting will begin. It looks like you might be in for another long night. Have you taken her temperature any today?

Marc 11-15-2009 05:26 PM
She just sauntered into the livingroom and went on the couch....she is shaky, shivery.....is this bad???????????

Marc 11-15-2009 05:33 PM
Can't edit....please see above post about shakes/shivers

I then brought her to our room and she left a few drops of what looks clear to me and then went in box to dig....

Is this shiver/shake that just started bad??? Or normal?????

bjh 11-15-2009 05:35 PM
That is very normal. It just means the contractions are probably getting harder and she is probably starting to hurt as the pups move toward the birth canal.

Marc 11-15-2009 05:48 PM
Thanks.

I just talked to my vets assistant. She also said it was ok. She said I could give her a little smackle of honey if I wanted as well.

She calmed down instantly....then gave a few not too strong pushes in a row.

It is my understanding that the first pup could take numerous hours (3 or more) from the start of momma pushing.....am I right?

WinstonMom 11-15-2009 05:55 PM
Marc,

I don't let my girls push really hard for more than an hour or else I am off to the vet.

bjh 11-15-2009 05:58 PM
Yes, it could still be several hours. Some females progress fast in their labor and some go slow, just like when women have babies. They are all different.

Marc 11-15-2009 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by WinstonMom (Post 2882183)
Marc,

I don't let my girls push really hard for more than an hour or else I am off to the vet.
Is this with the first pup? My vet assistant said she could push for many hours to get that first one out. She said the following ones could be a couple hours in between but if its presented itself and pushed for too long without me being able to help it out then its time to call.

Is this not correct?

Marc 11-15-2009 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2882188)
Yes, it could still be several hours. Some females progress fast in their labor and some go slow, just like when women have babies. They are all different.
She is pushing about 4 times and then repositioning...then resting....about 20 min or so later she does that again. She is not in a constant push stage at this point...still ok right?

I'm getting a bit confused about how long it's ok for her to get that first pup out from first sign of pushing....anyone wanna clarfiy....again, my phone help says it could take many hours yet.


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