Originally Posted by Marc (Post 2882605)

Ok, I just talked to the vet assistant. She said to wait a few days and see if she is discharging black/green or bloody in which case she still has them in her. I saw the first one after the first pup....but had to cut the cord on the other two and never saw placenta. Could she have passed them at night and ate them? She is perfectly clean down there. What happens if she gets the shot and there was no retained placenta?

Now, do I let momma eat as much as she wants? She scarfed down about three tbsp of whelping pudding, a whole scrambled egg and even a bit of her own food this morning when she left the box for the first time! How much of what do these nursing moms need?

Thanks so much. They both are up .1 of an ounce since during the night. I believe they are getting what they need as they never cry like they aren't. They are both nice and warm as mom choses to lay on the side that has the heating pad. I have a couple layers of blanket on top of the pad.

Anyway, do I wait it out and see if she discharges and then I know for sure that there is placenta in there still?

The pups are going thursday for tails and dewclaw.

I will have plenty of questions.

I did make a decision to get her fixed. Though she herself was in no danger....the stress she was under with the first pup being whisked away...she ran the house out of control from stress and confusion. I just love her too much to have a repeat of that. I told myself before I started this that if something went wrong....or she was under stress....then I would spay her. I love her too much to put her through that again. And frankly, I myself have learnt that I cannot witness something to that degree again....which takes me out breeding. I LOVED to do all the reading and learning and dont regret that for one minute. I will just be a cheerleader for others from here on out :)

I just love her too much.

Originally Posted by Marc (Post 2882605)

Ok, I just talked to the vet assistant. She said to wait a few days and see if she is discharging black/green or bloody in which case she still has them in her. I saw the first one after the first pup....but had to cut the cord on the other two and never saw placenta. Could she have passed them at night and ate them? She is perfectly clean down there. What happens if she gets the shot and there was no retained placenta?

Now, do I let momma eat as much as she wants? She scarfed down about three tbsp of whelping pudding, a whole scrambled egg and even a bit of her own food this morning when she left the box for the first time! How much of what do these nursing moms need?

Thanks so much. They both are up .1 of an ounce since during the night. I believe they are getting what they need as they never cry like they aren't. They are both nice and warm as mom choses to lay on the side that has the heating pad. I have a couple layers of blanket on top of the pad.

Anyway, do I wait it out and see if she discharges and then I know for sure that there is placenta in there still?

The pups are going thursday for tails and dewclaw.

I will have plenty of questions.

I did make a decision to get her fixed. Though she herself was in no danger....the stress she was under with the first pup being whisked away...she ran the house out of control from stress and confusion. I just love her too much to have a repeat of that. I told myself before I started this that if something went wrong....or she was under stress....then I would spay her. I love her too much to put her through that again. And frankly, I myself have learnt that I cannot witness something to that degree again....which takes me out breeding. I LOVED to do all the reading and learning and dont regret that for one minute. I will just be a cheerleader for others from here on out :)

I just love her too much.

Originally Posted by Marc (Post 2882633)

What are the ramifications to giving that shot and there is not placenta in there? My vet assistant seems to not think it necessary unless over the next few days she discharges, doesn't want to feed her babies, fever....some signs.

Shes not worried about the calcium either with two pups. I will make sure she gets scrambled egg and stuff to be sure.

Originally Posted by carmen in nj (Post 2882650)

I don't know how you feel about holistic medicine but when my son's taffy ( Jack Rusell) gave birth she had a retained placenta, and my vet also suggested waiting 24 hrs. I called my holistic vet and she suggested to give her half a cup of "red rabsberry leaf tea" mixed with 1/4 teaspoon of karo syrop, and within 20 minutes she had expeled the placenta, she also said it will help with milk production and uterous cleaning, I am very glad I did , taffy had her babies in january and it was super cold the last thing I wanted was to drag them into that cold..
HTH,
Carmen in nj

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2882652)

Funny, I administer rasberry tea leaf syrup throughout my girls pregnancies.

Originally Posted by carmen in nj (Post 2882650)

I don't know how you feel about holistic medicine but when my son's taffy ( Jack Rusell) gave birth she had a retained placenta, and my vet also suggested waiting 24 hrs. I called my holistic vet and she suggested to give her half a cup of "red rabsberry leaf tea" mixed with 1/4 teaspoon of karo syrop, and within 20 minutes she had expeled the placenta, she also said it will help with milk production and uterous cleaning, I am very glad I did , taffy had her babies in january and it was super cold the last thing I wanted was to drag them into that cold..
HTH,
Carmen in nj

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2882652)

Funny, I administer rasberry tea leaf syrup throughout my girls pregnancies.

Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2882681)

I use to give clean out shots until I had a bitch have a bad reaction to the shot. My vet advised me that you need to wait at least 24 hours after the pups are born before giving the shot. The pups suckling on the momma will stimulate the uterus to contract and most of the time the placentas will pass a few hours after the pups are born and the mom will usually eat it.

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2882753)

Barb,

If you wait 24 hours....Per my repro vet she has already closed......that is what causes the infection if a placenta is retained......shot should be given 6 to 12 hours after whelp........

Pups stimulating mothers isn't always the case....especially if infection is setting in, mother will be reluctant to nurse.

Originally Posted by TammyJM (Post 2882674)

Mary, why do you give them this during their pregnancies....does it help to comfort them?? How much do you give to them?

Originally Posted by carmen in nj (Post 2882765)

hmmmm, good to know, I did not know that, now I am SO GLAD , I did called my holistic vet and I gave Taffy the tea remedy. I guess it depends on the vet. I am asking my son to bring home an oxy shot JUST in case..LOL
hugs,
carmen in nj