I thought parti pups showed up in her kennel ??
Or did I get that wrong and they only showed up later ??

Chinese Crested
A toy dog, fine-boned, elegant and graceful. The distinct varieties are born in the same litter. The Hairless with hair only on the head, tail and feet and the Powderpuff, completely covered with hair. The breed serves as a loving companion, playful and entertaining.

Dachshund
they come in three different coat varieties (Smooth, Wirehaired or Longhaired) and can be miniature or standard size.

Dappled dachshunds-The dapple (merle) pattern is expressed as lighter-colored areas contrasting with the darker base color, which may be any acceptable color. Neither the light nor the dark color should predominate. Nose and nails are the same as for one- and two-colored Dachshunds. Partial or wholly blue (wall) eyes are as acceptable as dark eyes. A large area of white on the chest of a dapple is permissible.

Chihuahua
Coat
In the Smooth Coats, the coat should be of soft texture, close and glossy. (Heavier coats with undercoats permissible.) Coat placed well over body with ruff on neck preferred, and more scanty on head and ears. Hair on tail preferred furry. In Long Coats, the coat should be of a soft texture, either flat or slightly wavy, with undercoat preferred.

The BTCA got this information from one of the leading Yorkshire Terrier Clubs in Germany in 2006.When we revealed this theory ,we were highly criticized ,by the same people that now use this information freely on their websites, as part of the Biewer History.This is the main reason, why the Biewer is not recognizes as a pure Yorkie in Germany by any of the Yorkshire Terrier clubs or Pure Bred Associations.Everyone of these clubs consider the Biewer a mixed breed.Only when the Biewer came to America was it marketed as a pure Yorkie.Pretty much all of us believed that the Biewer was a Yorkie in the beginning.Mrs.Biewer came to realize that the Biewer today ,is not the same dog they had bred 20 years ago.You only have to look at the Biewers that have been produced in the last few years to realize that many of the American Biewers are not Yorkies with different color.It was not until extensive testing was done, between Mars and the BTCA that it was established, that many Biewers have evolved into a breed of it's own.

Even Mrs Biewer said it was a Yorky with 3 colors.
Mrs. Biewer Answers Questions
The letter from Mrs. Biewer on Calaryn's Website was very" freely translated "by Michael Ostern.Mrs Biewer is to this day infuriated with him, for violating her privacy.It is describing the Biewer in its perfect form.It is interesting how much weight is put on the fact that the ideal Biewer should have a 3 colored head.Her statement that breeders that breed Splitters, are defrauding the public, is quietly swept under the carpet.My Insatiable Kennel owned by the Osterns sends out pictures over picture every year of the "stunning Splitters "they breed.

I believe that these variations are in the breed standard set by the breed clubs and not by AKC. The YTCA would have to accept the Biewer Terrier as a variant color in its standard before the AKC would allow it in as a Yorkshire Terrier.
I am pretty sure that is not very likely to occur especially with all of the testing that is being done.

Things aren't as cut and dry as they seem. YTCA was able to stop the parti from entering the show ring, but they weren't able to stop them from being able to be registered as yorkies....

You are missing the point .. surprised?? :eek: I was showing a past history of what makes a breed. Although a breed club may or may not have decided on a variance, AKC allowed it.

Just like AKC's FSS, Foundation Stock Service now has these rules for a new breed.

The FSS® is not open to "rare" breeds that are a variation of an AKC-registrable breed or the result of a combination of two AKC-recognized breeds. This includes and is not limited to differences such as size (over and under), coat type, coat colors, and coat colors and/or types that are disqualifications from Conformation Events by AKC breed standards.

and if you read this little section of this from the AKC website they aren't saying they can't be a breed.. just can't be accepted to AKC at this time. If coat color doesn't make a difference of what a breed is, I am sure they wouldn't have listed specifics in the FSS program.

What dogs does the MARS test show that were used in the creation of the Biewers?
If at least 3 breed were not used in create a different breed set forth by AKC.
Then what hopes do the Biewer breeders have to be recognized by AKC ???

Mr Biewer when he started breeding the Biewers.
Did he use splitters/carriers or breed true after the first Biewers were born ?
Did he inbred or line breed to keep producing these dogs ?

I think I read a few years back on here, weren’t Biewer believed to have shorter life spans, some were breeding back to the Yorkshires to make the dogs more vigorous ???

From what I’m reading some are wanting to break away from the Yorkshire roots and take the dog in a different direction.
To become a breed of it’s own and only breed true (Biewer to Biewer).
What American Clubs promote this way of breeding ??
Also breeding true… do the dogs after generations wash out like some of the Parti’s seem to ??

What American Clubs want to keep the Yorkshire terrier in the mix.
Breeding splitter/carriers. ??

And are there some breeders who believe the dogs should be registered in Germany ONLY ??


It’s sounds like a lot of trial/error, time and money for someone thinking about getting into breeding these dogs .
When so many Clubs and Breeders beliefs varies so much.

Since our opposing clubs are always talking about ,that they are following the German standard and how everything is done in Germany.Here is a little bit of Info for you.The UCI e.V.under Guenther Knoben,the one that issues your international Titles, you are all so proud of,does not register any Biewers as Biewers if they have Yorkies in their lines.Even so they still call it a Biewer Yorkshire Terrier.Therefore all these won Titles on many of the Biewers in the USA would be invalid.
If you are confused about your dogs pedigree look at each ancestor,if it does not say blau,weiss,gold or schwarz,weiss,gold or tricolor it is a Yorkie..

Things aren't as cut and dry as they seem. YTCA was able to stop the parti from entering the show ring, but they weren't able to stop them from being able to be registered as yorkies....

You are right Sue, the key thing is they are registered as YORKIES NOT parti yorkies. The Biewer is NOT a Yorkie. So what is your point?

You are missing the point .. surprised?? I was showing a past history of what makes a breed. Although a breed club may or may not have decided on a variance, AKC allowed it.

Your sarcasm demeans your post. I think you are missing the point. Please reread the standards of the dog clubs. What variance did AKC allow that was not written in the dog standards? Contact AKC and ask them if they are the ones that make the variances in dog standards YOU might be surprised by their answer.
Just like AKC's FSS, Foundation Stock Service now has these rules for a new breed.

The AKC/FSS rules are not new, they have been in place for quite a while. Check with the AKC and they will give the history.

The FSS® is not open to "rare" breeds that are a variation of an AKC-registrable breed or the result of a combination of two AKC-recognized breeds. This includes and is not limited to differences such as size (over and under), coat type, coat colors, and coat colors and/or types that are disqualifications from Conformation Events by AKC breed standards.

and if you read this little section of this from the AKC website they aren't saying they can't be a breed..

If you read this little section it DOES say they can't be a breed, The FSS® is not open to "rare" breeds that are a variation of an AKC-registrable breed or the result of a combination of two AKC-recognized breeds.
So by dropping the Yorkshire from your dogs and your club, what are your attempting? Is it a Yorkie or not? Is it a Biewer or not? You can't have both.

Great questions!

It seems like if there is so much contraversy over this breed, whether it is it's own breed, etc, that it will take a lot longer for it to be recognized by the AKC if it's own breed clubs cannot agree on anything.

Opps... that is NOT correct Ilona. I have in my hands right now a Pedigree Pass Book from the IABCA/ UCI e. V. with a stamped signature from Nick Thompson- stud book advisor. That has a splitter mother, the grandmother was a full blooded yorkshire and this is documented in the pedigree that the UCI e. V. printed. The multiple titles that I have on this Biewer is titled just that a Biewer.. we also have record that in November of 2008 the UCI e.V. continues to pedigree these said breedings.

Those of us that have spent the time, money and energy would have these records and know how it is presented from the UCI e. V., so we post from experience. :)

Not true. Read the history of the Border Collie, the fights between the clubs and AKC's final decision regardless of the clubs not being able to see eye to eye.

Sue I cannot understand your way of thinking. Three years ago when I talked to you about your views of the Biewer I knew then you were not headed in the right direction. This in no way is a reflection on your character or as a breeder. However, you are fighting Germany's battle of the breed here in the States. Once the decision was made and the collected effort of the members of the BTCA was taken to have those dogs genetically tested, the battle was over. All the guess work was taken out and the members of the BTCA are now focusing on what is required of them in their breeding programs by AKC. It is as simple as that. We already presented our Biewer Terriers to the president of YTCA. He knows the battle is no longer ours but theirs. He stated openly these are not Yorkshire Terriers but a breed of thier own. We are done. We do not have to prove anything further.

BTCA is made up of 60 members and growing. Your club has what...3 or 4? Who do you think AKC is going to listen to?

Opps, that is very much correct,I just got of the Phone with Guenther Knoben UCI E.V.I will get written Statements from him .The UCI will not even make these dogs "Zuchttauglich" (clear them for breeding ) if they have any Yorkies in them.Nor will they ever register Splitters as Biewers.I do not ever post things I have not gotten confirmation for from the originator,maybe you should do the same.