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01-18-2009, 10:14 PM | #1 |
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| Parti confussion????? What is this Parti im hearing? Do the akc acknowledge them cause i could not find anything on that site? what are they mixed with? and dosent that kinda damage the yorkshire breed? just questions im wondering? Thanks im confused |
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01-18-2009, 11:02 PM | #2 |
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| Parti yorkies are NOT the YTCA nor any other standard in any other country for the Yorkshire breed. This color as well as chocolate and blond are color faults and, like in ALL breed standards,faults should NEVER be purposely bred for. The parti breeders will tell you that they are 100% yorkie and have been Dna tested, bla, bla, bla. But the ONLY thing that DNa will tell you is that the parents of the puppies are indeed, the parents of that puppy. It will not tell you that there are most likely a few mixed breedings to create the parti gene in yorkies. Papillon, perhaps. Long before there was DNa testing, required DNa testing and kennel inspections, there were(and still are) indiscriminant "breeders" that would register anything, even a mix, and register it with AkC as a purebred yorkie. It was extremely easy to breed in the parti gene that the Yorkie has never had. The AkC would never know about it. A few generations later, and sha-zam, we have parti breeders. Unfortunately, the damage to the Yorkie breed was done years ago and there is no way of going back to see what breeds were introduced and when or where. The AkC had no choice but to register these dogs. But they cant be shown in conformation which is for judging breeding stock only. Almost all reputable show/hobby/exhibitors NEVER have a parti born. Its only the indiscriminant breeders that perpetuate this color fault. And more than likely, its for the $$$$$$$. Look how much they ALL charge for a parti. Kinda like T-cups. Look up the YTCA standard for the Yorkie. Read the history of the breed. You will see that the Yorkie is a tan dog with a bluish saddle. Remember, the YTCA sets the standard for the Yorkie, not the AKC. As you will see, the parti breeders will tell you all about their own version of the history and where the parti gene came from.
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01-19-2009, 04:01 AM | #3 | |
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WOW.. this post is going to start some trouble.. TO THE OP.. this is considered a hot topic on this forum. You could search "parti" in the search section at the top of the forum and find all the info you need regarding this topic.
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01-19-2009, 04:12 AM | #4 |
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| about the parti yorkie I dont know what they are mixed with, but they are beautiful, dont you agree/they should give more on what the breed is that they are bringing into the yorkie. I think they are beautiful.I never see them in pet stores, not that I would buy one. |
01-19-2009, 05:47 AM | #5 |
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01-19-2009, 06:16 AM | #6 |
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| Parti yorkies may not be the YTCA standard but AKC in the late 1990's, did extensive DNA testing of parti litters and tested back as far as possible to the related adults (to the parti litters) from the Nikkos lines. AKC also spoke with Old time breeders, who were breeding in the 20's - 70's to see if these breeders ever experienced off color in their breeding program. It was determined that off color, including parti did appear in the earlier days and continue to appear in litters today (much to a breeders surprise). Many of the new parti lines we see today (parti litters being produced by two traditional colored yorkies) are tracing back to one dog born in the late 1950's, CH Wildweir Pomp N Circumstance, including the Nikkos parti dogs. Wildweir Kennels was one of the kennels AKC interviewed about Parti color showing up and Wildweir told AKC that they had Parti colored pups being born in their own litters. It is thought by YTCA that 2 of the foundation stock that began the YT breed was the Scotch Terrier, the Skye (Clydesdale and Paisley being offshoots of the Skye) and the Old English terrier. These foundation dogs, were not papered, and their heritage was unknown. They may have had a look or color that was desired but as for the recessive genes hiding within, no one can say what genes is or isn't there. Historical writings and Illustrations indicate that there were "off colors" prior to the Yorkshire terrier becoming a breed ... scotch terriers with white markings, English Terriers that weren't black and tan and Skye terriers that were brown in color. If recessive genes are being traced back to a dog born in the 1950's (50 years ago), why can't the recessive genes be coming from dogs that began the breed 70 or so years earlier?
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01-19-2009, 07:19 AM | #7 |
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| I meant to say the 3 breeds thought to have been foundation dogs to our breed is the Scotch Terrier, the Skye (Clydesdale and Paisley being offshoots of the Skye) and the Old English terrier. Attached are some Illustrations showing how off coloring in our yorkies today, may have came from dogs similar to the dogs seen in the below illustrations (Circa: mid to late 1800's) First picture 1881 Cassell's The Book of the Dog shows a golden colored skye terrier along with the more traditional colored blue skye. Second picture from Cassell's Illustrated Book of the Dog shows a white english terrier along with the traditional colored black and tans. c. 1870s-1880s - "English Terriers, "Silvio," the Property of Mr. Alfred Benjamin. "Serpolette," the Property of Mr. Tom. B. Swinburne. "Salford," the Property of Sir Wm. E. H. Verner, Bart." The last picture shows a group of Terriers from the 1860 Book of Field Sports by Henry Downes Miles, is Illustrated by DJ Watkins-Pitchford, are pictured running freely together. The caption reads: "The Skye Terrier, The Scotch Terrier, The English Smooth Terrier, The Crossed Scotch Terrier, The Dandie Dinmont and The Bull Terrier." Two of the 6 dogs pictured are parti colored ... The Bull terrier and the Crossed Scotch Terrier. Scotch terriers and Crossed Scotch terriers are recorded as being some of the foundation dogs in our breed. My point being, that just because a dog looks to have the correct steel blue and tan coloring, that doesn't mean that they do not carry recessive genes from their off colored descendants. It's not until one dog who carries the recessive off color gene, is bred to another dog carrying the same recessive gene, that they will produce off colored pups. Many, many, many generations can go by with these genes being passed down. A dog who carries a recessive off color gene, will pass that gene onto 50% of his offspring, those carrier pups will then pass that gene onto half of their offspring ... so until a line completely dies out, that gene continues to be passed on. Genes for off color have been in our dogs since the beginning and they will continue to show up (from traditional colored breedings) in the future. The difference now is that AKC will allow off colors to be registered, but prior to the year 2000, off colored pups were kept in the closet (so to speak).
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01-19-2009, 08:07 AM | #8 | |
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01-19-2009, 08:11 AM | #9 |
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| Either way, I think they are beautiful dogs! Their colors are lovely! |
01-19-2009, 08:19 AM | #11 |
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| There is a whole section from the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America's website on Parti Yorkies. Scroll down about halfway: Yorkshire Terrier Club of America (Awards) |
01-19-2009, 11:32 AM | #12 | |
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01-19-2009, 11:50 AM | #13 | |
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and apparently you didnt read all of pinehaven's posts ALL PUREBREDs except for the maltese are mixed with something.. so yeah your beautiful yorkie was once considered a "Mutt"..
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01-19-2009, 11:54 AM | #14 |
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01-19-2009, 11:55 AM | #15 | |
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Under the YTCA article titled "An Important Note About Color in Yorkshire Terriers," the site leads you to believe that all off colors may/can be affected by the health issues they've listed, which is untrue, only blue born dogs will suffer the posted health problems. Parti, chocolate and goldens are no more prone to health problems than standard yorkies are and their off coloring is a result of recessive genes and not genetically defective genes. Under the YTCA article "Parti-Color Yorkshire Terriers" A brief history has been given saying that "All of these original breeds were grizzle, tan, blue, blue and tan, or black and tan. No white dog or dogs with white markings were involved in the process of developing the breed." I've shown you in previous pictures that colors other than the accepted colors listed above, have been seen in the 3 main dogs who helped begin this breed. The article also talks about Scotch terriers being introduced in the breed. Please read this excerpt from the diary of W.W. Mackie, and his quest in the 1870's to find prime specimens of the Scotch Terrier. He notes several times (in this short excerpt) that in his travel, he sees Scotch terriers with white feet and white faces. Captain Mackie's Scottish Terrier Travel Diary I have tried to show the other side of the story through historical drawings and writings, through information uncovered during the AKC parti investigation and through science and how recessive genes work. My opinion is that off coloring shouldn't make the Yorkie any less a yorkie. Maybe Parti's will never enter the AKC show ring but they are as full blooded as their traditional colored ancestors are.
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