Just a question

[feminvstr]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

[B]she does not own them so she is a broker not the actual breeder.

once again you still dont get it Kim!!! it really is simple, because I or any other breeder or mentor refers or posts someone else available pups DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE A BROKER! And you state so matter of fact the relationship of a mentor and mentee as if you have been their and done that. There are mentors that become intimately involved in ones breeders program and then there are mentors that will simply guide another with less experience. Doesnt necessarily mean a mentor was and is involved in selecting the mentees breeding stock and or the sell of their produced offspring.



although the definition is clear KIM of a broker!

The noun broker has one meaning:

Meaning #1: a businessman who buys or sells for another in exchange for a commission
Synonyms: agent, factor

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

I GET IT just fine Kimberly. There is no need to be so defensive. I never said that every referral or mentor relationship was that of a broker....I just said that SOME are and there is nothing wrong with it. Most people who saw puppies from another breeder on a website would assume that there is some business realtionship there.

I also did not infer that ALL mentor relationships involve brokering...I simply used that relationship as an example of one where I know from personal experience that it does happen.

Another example of a broker in the puppy business is the large websites like DivaPup that are primarily advertising vehicles for breeders and the broker has the large, well known and flashy website and the breeders of all different breeds pay DivaPUp to advertise on their site and DivaPup gets a commission if the puppy is sold through exposure on their site. The breeder still maintains complete control of the puppy and the buyer talks diectly to the breeder about the puppy but the broker handles the contract and the money exchange.

I know a lot of people on here do not like DivaPup because of some negative stories on the internet, but I have had no real experience with them and I am not referring people to them but merely using them as an example of a broker where the breeder doesn't lose the control over the terms of the sale and who the dog goes to and what information they receive about the puppy and his parents.

All of my examples fit the definition of a broker.

[scrappymomma]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

Angie, I would never consider a broker!

A breeder if reputable IMHO takes the responsiblity in each breeding from the moment they buy their breeding bitch and dog through the placement of their offspring. I couldnt breed in good conscience without serious interaction with the potential parents.

A breeder/broker relationship is based first and foremost on profit, get em in gem em out attitude and breeding program. Second, the breeder more often than not is weaning their pups very young. Third, allow placement at 6 weeks old with little to none vet care, vaccination, socialization.

Hi Kim how are your babies doing? I saw them on your site and they are sweeties!

[feminvstr]

awww thanks for asking the babies are doing just wonderful!

[feminvstr]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

I GET IT just fine Kimberly. There is no need to be so defensive. I never said that every referral or mentor relationship was that of a broker....I just said that SOME are and there is nothing wrong with it. Most people who saw puppies from another breeder on a website would assume that there is some business realtionship there.

I also did not infer that ALL mentor relationships involve brokering...I simply used that relationship as an example of one where I know from personal experience that it does happen.

Another example of a broker in the puppy business is the large websites like DivaPup that are primarily advertising vehicles for breeders and the broker has the large, well known and flashy website and the breeders of all different breeds pay DivaPUp to advertise on their site and DivaPup gets a commission if the puppy is sold through exposure on their site. The breeder still maintains complete control of the puppy and the buyer talks diectly to the breeder about the puppy but the broker handles the contract and the money exchange.

I know a lot of people on here do not like DivaPup because of some negative stories on the internet, but I have had no real experience with them and I am not referring people to them but merely using them as an example of a broker where the breeder doesn't lose the control over the terms of the sale and who the dog goes to and what information they receive about the puppy and his parents.

All of my examples fit the definition of a broker.

Kim this is the same thing youve said over and over and over again..same ole words, making assumptions, just another day, another thread! I am not defensive it seems youre supporting brokers and ANY REPUTABLE breeder would NOT! You seem to subliminaly defend your purchases from brokers, I can only say you were lucky if youre happy with the quality of dog you received!

thank god life gives us choices and I would never choose a BROKER!

[StewiesMom]

If the breeder and the person selling/advertising have a relationship, they are in fact not a broker. Someone who sells their puppies wholesale to another person for selling with the original breeder having no "say" in where the puppy's forever home is, is a broker relationship.

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Originally Posted by StewiesMom

If the breeder and the person selling/advertising have a relationship, they are in fact not a broker. Someone who sells their puppies wholesale to another person for selling with the original breeder having no "say" in where the puppy's forever home is, is a broker relationship.

Is this your opinion or are you stating a fact....because if you are stating this as a fact...it is incorrect according to the legal and acceptable business definition of the term "broker". I would never say your opinion is wrong because people will put a different connotation to certain words due to life experience.

Kimberly~ If I bought a puppy from a woman who is a breeder and whose grandmother is a breeder, but the grandmother is deaf and doesn't handle the sales negotiations, but it is the grandmother's puppy I am buying, did I buy from a broker in your opinion?

Second scenario~

If I call a breeder and describe the puppy I want and she says she doesn't have a puppy like that right now but her friend who is a breeder has just what I am looking for and she gives me the friends number and I talk to the friend about the puppy and deal only with the puppie's breeder from there on but the friend gives the one who told me about her $200 from the transaction, did I buy from a broker in your opinion?

Both of the above scenarios would be considered brokered transactions under the law in every state in this country.

[feminvstr]

ok this will be my last response to this thread because it seems to be going NO where, same song second verse!

Kim ....if someone profits from a sale, selling someone elses pups then YES IT IS A BROKER! If you want to call it a referal fee then sobeit (something like the softer terminology).

A broker is a broker is a broker! If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, then guess what, its a duck!

Brokers motivation is the money their primary focus is the sale not the best placement, their true interests are in the bottom line not the end result, you cant color it any other way Kim no matter how hard you try in your phraseology!

[sylvan]

Originally Posted by lycansmom

I know i may get a lot of opinions on this one but i have a question. Do breeders usually sell puppies to "brokers" if so why and if not why not....I have some friends looking to buy a puppy and i am just trying to gather some info. Thanks in advance

This was the original question on this thread . It was asked and answered, by Breeders, with a resounding NO. and with the reasons for Why not.
Kim, no one here would dispute your knowledge on the legal definition of a broker. That is Your field not ours. We just disagree with your opinion on the value of using one and don't want there to be confusion about the difference between a referral and a broker. That's all.