Parti confussion?????

[kpstoybox]

[quote=TammyJM;2440164]

Originally Posted by k9trainer

Why be bothered by this??? I was asking Nancy questions, trying to figure out who she was referring to. It wasn't intended for anyone to read anything into....

But I will tell you, if you are truly bothered by this (even though it wasn't intended as you took it), you will have hay-day with sooooo many threads on YT.
Tammy

Isn't that the truth!

If I had let threads such as this one bother me...I would have been banned long ago.

[TammyJM]

[quote=kpstoybox;2440267]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

Isn't that the truth!

If I had let threads such as this one bother me...I would have been banned long ago.

Oh my goodness...so true!!

(Off-topic: I was thinking about you earlier, you and Diddy...I am sending you a PM right now.)

Tam

[Redrose]

Hello everyone! I just got done reading all the posts and I would like to make a comment.

I use to show another breed other than Yorkie, but knew quite a few show people/breeder after many years. One of the reasons why I stopped showing was the waste of culling a puppy/young dog for even simple things like the eye shape not being good enough or enough stop (between the level of the nose and top of the head)...it broke my heart for these precious babies! All they wanted was to be loved and to love. I know that some other people, show people, would actually put puppies down if they did not measure up to their standards instead of even selling/placing them in a loving pet home.

So, personally I believe a breeder should breed for a healthy puppy that is as typy as possible and place each precious baby in a loving home.

As a side note, Partis are very pretty (actually, super adorable!), accepted by the AKC and as far as I know I live in the USA which gives me the freedom to pick what I want to own and love. I do own two parti carriers and a parti because they are so pretty that I chose them to live with me and to love.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Redrose

Hello everyone! I just got done reading all the posts and I would like to make a comment.

I use to show another breed other than Yorkie, but knew quite a few show people/breeder after many years. One of the reasons why I stopped showing was the waste of culling a puppy/young dog for even simple things like the eye shape not being good enough or enough stop (between the level of the nose and top of the head)...it broke my heart for these precious babies! All they wanted was to be loved and to love. I know that some other people, show people, would actually put puppies down if they did not measure up to their standards instead of even selling/placing them in a loving pet home.

So, personally I believe a breeder should breed for a healthy puppy that is as typy as possible and place each precious baby in a loving home.

As a side note, Partis are very pretty (actually, super adorable!), accepted by the AKC and as far as I know I live in the USA which gives me the freedom to pick what I want to own and love. I do own two parti carriers and a parti because they are so pretty that I chose them to live with me and to love.

Thank you redrose for some honest insight on what really happens behind the scenes of show breeders. I don't know if those breeders that don't do it are totally in denial, or if they are just naive.

I see you are a neighbor. It's good to hear of someone close by that has partis.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Pruett

What does a Parti baby look like? Here's a beautiful Biewer Terrier.

Here is a post with pictures of a parti litter.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yt-...ti-litter.html

[my2boyz]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Thank you redrose for some honest insight on what really happens behind the scenes of show breeders. I don't know if those breeders that don't do it are totally in denial, or if they are just naive.

I also know for a fact that this happens. Years ago we had a beautiful male Rottweiler and a local breeder wanted to use him for stud. I visited his home to see his females and to talk with him and after a while he started talking about 'culling' the litter so I asked him what that meant. He explained that he put all the puppies outside the box and those that crawled back in were allowed to stay with the mother and the ones that didn't were left to die because they weren't strong enough to make it. I was appauled and asked why he didn't just let them go to pet homes and he said because he didn't want his name on the paperwork or for anyone to find out that his dogs produced a weak or pet quality puppy. I told him he was an a** h*** and I wouldn't let him use my male for all the money in the world and I promptly left with my dog.

Yes, this is a harsh reality but it is a reality as this happened just a few years ago. I've never understood it myself...how can you just 'dispose of' a puppy that doesn't measure up in your eyes? I can tell you from first hand experience that the ugly duckling certainly does turn out to be the beautiful swan in real life and if there are no health issues to be found then an off colored puppy has just as much right to life as a standard puppy.

[livingdustmops]

I think this shows that the show world is not all peaches and cream. This Kennel Club is Englands AKC.

Kennel Club changes breeding rules after BBC suspends Crufts - Telegraph

Kennel Club changes breeding rules after BBC suspends Crufts
The Kennel Club is to change the "unhealthy" breeding rules which led to Crufts being dropped by the BBC.

By Urmee Khan, Digital and Media Correspondent
Last Updated: 9:13PM GMT 14 Jan 2009
The BBC pulled out of the dog show after it was embroiled in the row over the welfare of pedigree dogs, leaving the event untelevised for the first time in 40 years.
Pedigree Dogs Exposed, a BBC1 documentary last year, claimed some of the Kennel Club's standards were effectively encouraging dog owners to breed ill-health into their pets.
NEWS GENERIC ST_UIP
It revealed that decades of inbreeding has caused epilepsy and cancer among some entrants at the event, described by a leading vet as showcasing "a parade of mutants".
The corporation subsequently suspended coverage of the Crufts dog show in 2009 after The Kennel Club refused to comply with the BBC's demands that 14 'at risk' breeds be excluded from the competition.
Crufts attracted 150,000 visitors last year and an average of three million television viewers each day.
The Kennel Club has now said it will change the standards – the ideal which show dogs must try and match - to ensure that all dogs are "fit for their original function". It will also ban the breeding of close relatives.
There are a number of breed specific amendments, for 78 breeds.
They have been revised so that they will not include anything that could in any way be interpreted as encouraging features that might prevent a dog from breathing, walking and seeing freely.
Under the "strict new rules", the standard for Shar Pei dogs will no longer include exaggerated folds of loose skin across its neck, skull and legs and breeders must stop encouraging "excessive weight" in Labradors.
Owners of Clumber Spaniels will be banned from "exaggerating substance" – the size of a dog's body and muscle – so that they would be fit for their original purpose of working in the field.
Marc Abraham, Kennel Club veterinary advisor, said: "The changes that have been announced today will leave breeders and judges in no doubt about their responsibilities to safeguard the health and welfare of dogs, first and foremost."
The Kennel Club denied suggestions that the new guidelines were bought in as a result of the BBC decision to suspend coverage of Crufts.
The Kennel Club is tied into a contract with the BBC until 2010, meaning it cannot offer the rights to a rival broadcaster. The BBC pays an annual six-figure sum to the Kennel Club for the television rights and could face a legal battle if it decides to suspend payment for the coming year.
Concerns raised by the documentary have already led to the withdrawal of Pedigree, the main sponsor, and the RSPCA. The animal charity welcomed the BBC's decision, describing current breed standards as "morally unjustifiable".
Mark Evans, the RSPCA's Chief veterinary adviser, said watching Crufts was "like seeing a parade of mutants".
He said: "Many characteristics which are considered desirable in pedigree dogs – as defined by the breed standards which the Kennel Club promotes – are actually shocking deformities which affect the welfare and quality of life for hundreds of thousands of dogs.
"There are now recognised to be more than 450 inherited diseases suffered by pedigree dogs and we believe the intentional breeding of deformed dogs and close inbreeding is morally unjustifiable and must stop."
Kennel Club spokesman Caroline Kisko said: "We said in the autumn that a new review standards would be bought out, long before the BBC pulled out of Crufts. As far as we're concerned, we're looking for different broadcasters. We're currently under BBC contract, whether they choose to broadcast for the next year or not."
The revised standards will be used to judge dogs in Crufts 2009.
A BBC spokesman said Crufts would not be shown in March. He added: "We remain open to the idea that Crufts will return to the BBC and this is an interesting development."
© Copyright of Telegraph Media Group Limited 2009 Terms & Conditions of reading Commercial information Privacy and Cookie Policy.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...SPCA-says.html

Kennel Club dog breeding shake-up 'not radical enough', RSPCA says
A shake-up of dog breeding standards by the Kennel Club, which would see the end of the traditional British Bulldog, do not go far enough in preventing animal cruelty, the RSPCA has said.

By Murray Wardrop
Last Updated: 1:58AM GMT 15 Jan 2009
The Kennel Club has ordered strict new rules affecting 78 different dog species to stop incestuous breeding which can cause the animals ill-health.
Among the breeds targeted by the move is the British Bulldog, which would lose its trademark jowls and wrinkles in favour of smaller faces, longer legs and leaner bodies.
However, the RSPCA has said that the revised standards are not enough to significantly improve animal welfare.
RSPCA chief veterinary adviser Mark Evans said: "We haven't yet had the opportunity to look at the Kennel Club's reviewed breed standards in detail, but our initial concerns are that the changes don't appear to be radical enough to really make a difference.
"We also question how the standards may be interpreted in the show ring."
A BBC1 documentary last year, called Pedigree Dogs Exposed, claimed some of the Kennel Club's standards were effectively encouraging dog owners to breed ill-health into their pets.
It revealed that decades of inbreeding has caused epilepsy and cancer among some entrants at the event, described by a leading vet as showcasing "a parade of mutants".
It led the BBC to suspend coverage of the dog show Crufts after The Kennel Club refused to comply with the BBC's demands that 14 'at risk' breeds be excluded from the competition.
The Kennel Club has now said it will change the standards – the ideal which show dogs must try and match - to ensure that all dogs are "fit for their original function". It will also ban the breeding between close relatives.
It said the move, part of its Fit for Function: Fit For Life campaign, will ensure pedigree dogs have the best chance of living happy, healthy lives.
They have been revised so that they will not include anything that could in any way be interpreted as encouraging features that might prevent a dog from breathing, walking and seeing freely.
Under the rules, the standard for Shar Pei dogs will no longer include exaggerated folds of loose skin across its neck, skull and legs and breeders must stop encouraging "excessive weight" in Labradors.
Owners of Clumber Spaniels will be banned from "exaggerating substance" – the size of a dog's body and muscle – so that they would be fit for their original purpose of working in the field.
Many British Bulldog breeders have reacted angrily to the changes and the British Bulldog Breed Council is threatening legal action against the Kennel Club.
Its chairman, Robin Searle, said: "What you'll get is a completely different dog, not a British bulldog."
Marc Abraham, Kennel Club veterinary advisor, said: "The changes that have been announced will leave breeders and judges in no doubt about their responsibilities to safeguard the health and welfare of dogs, first and foremost."
The Kennel Club has denied suggestions that the new guidelines were bought in as a result of the BBC decision to suspend coverage of Crufts.
Mr Evans said watching Crufts was "like seeing a parade of mutants".
He added: "Many characteristics which are considered desirable in pedigree dogs – as defined by the breed standards which the Kennel Club promotes – are actually shocking deformities which affect the welfare and quality of life for hundreds of thousands of dogs.
"There are now recognised to be more than 450 inherited diseases suffered by pedigree dogs and we believe the intentional breeding of deformed dogs and close inbreeding is morally unjustifiable and must stop."
Bulldogs are prone to skin and coat problems, respiratory disorders, orthopaedic conditions, and soft or cleft palate.
Most are born by Caesarean section because their large heads and proportionally small hips make natural births difficult.

[livingdustmops]

I think this shows that the show world is not all peaches and cream. This Kennel Club is Englands AKC.

Kennel Club changes breeding rules after BBC suspends Crufts - Telegraph

Kennel Club changes breeding rules after BBC suspends Crufts
The Kennel Club is to change the "unhealthy" breeding rules which led to Crufts being dropped by the BBC.

By Urmee Khan, Digital and Media Correspondent
Last Updated: 9:13PM GMT 14 Jan 2009
The BBC pulled out of the dog show after it was embroiled in the row over the welfare of pedigree dogs, leaving the event untelevised for the first time in 40 years.
Pedigree Dogs Exposed, a BBC1 documentary last year, claimed some of the Kennel Club's standards were effectively encouraging dog owners to breed ill-health into their pets.
NEWS GENERIC ST_UIP
It revealed that decades of inbreeding has caused epilepsy and cancer among some entrants at the event, described by a leading vet as showcasing "a parade of mutants".
The corporation subsequently suspended coverage of the Crufts dog show in 2009 after The Kennel Club refused to comply with the BBC's demands that 14 'at risk' breeds be excluded from the competition.
Crufts attracted 150,000 visitors last year and an average of three million television viewers each day.
The Kennel Club has now said it will change the standards – the ideal which show dogs must try and match - to ensure that all dogs are "fit for their original function". It will also ban the breeding of close relatives.
There are a number of breed specific amendments, for 78 breeds.
They have been revised so that they will not include anything that could in any way be interpreted as encouraging features that might prevent a dog from breathing, walking and seeing freely.
Under the "strict new rules", the standard for Shar Pei dogs will no longer include exaggerated folds of loose skin across its neck, skull and legs and breeders must stop encouraging "excessive weight" in Labradors.
Owners of Clumber Spaniels will be banned from "exaggerating substance" – the size of a dog's body and muscle – so that they would be fit for their original purpose of working in the field.
Marc Abraham, Kennel Club veterinary advisor, said: "The changes that have been announced today will leave breeders and judges in no doubt about their responsibilities to safeguard the health and welfare of dogs, first and foremost."
The Kennel Club denied suggestions that the new guidelines were bought in as a result of the BBC decision to suspend coverage of Crufts.
The Kennel Club is tied into a contract with the BBC until 2010, meaning it cannot offer the rights to a rival broadcaster. The BBC pays an annual six-figure sum to the Kennel Club for the television rights and could face a legal battle if it decides to suspend payment for the coming year.
Concerns raised by the documentary have already led to the withdrawal of Pedigree, the main sponsor, and the RSPCA. The animal charity welcomed the BBC's decision, describing current breed standards as "morally unjustifiable".
Mark Evans, the RSPCA's Chief veterinary adviser, said watching Crufts was "like seeing a parade of mutants".
He said: "Many characteristics which are considered desirable in pedigree dogs – as defined by the breed standards which the Kennel Club promotes – are actually shocking deformities which affect the welfare and quality of life for hundreds of thousands of dogs.
"There are now recognised to be more than 450 inherited diseases suffered by pedigree dogs and we believe the intentional breeding of deformed dogs and close inbreeding is morally unjustifiable and must stop."
Kennel Club spokesman Caroline Kisko said: "We said in the autumn that a new review standards would be bought out, long before the BBC pulled out of Crufts. As far as we're concerned, we're looking for different broadcasters. We're currently under BBC contract, whether they choose to broadcast for the next year or not."
The revised standards will be used to judge dogs in Crufts 2009.
A BBC spokesman said Crufts would not be shown in March. He added: "We remain open to the idea that Crufts will return to the BBC and this is an interesting development."
© Copyright of Telegraph Media Group Limited 2009 Terms & Conditions of reading Commercial information Privacy and Cookie Policy.

Kennel Club dog breeding shake-up 'not radical enough', RSPCA says - Telegraph

Kennel Club dog breeding shake-up 'not radical enough', RSPCA says
A shake-up of dog breeding standards by the Kennel Club, which would see the end of the traditional British Bulldog, do not go far enough in preventing animal cruelty, the RSPCA has said.

By Murray Wardrop
Last Updated: 1:58AM GMT 15 Jan 2009
The Kennel Club has ordered strict new rules affecting 78 different dog species to stop incestuous breeding which can cause the animals ill-health.
Among the breeds targeted by the move is the British Bulldog, which would lose its trademark jowls and wrinkles in favour of smaller faces, longer legs and leaner bodies.
However, the RSPCA has said that the revised standards are not enough to significantly improve animal welfare.
RSPCA chief veterinary adviser Mark Evans said: "We haven't yet had the opportunity to look at the Kennel Club's reviewed breed standards in detail, but our initial concerns are that the changes don't appear to be radical enough to really make a difference.
"We also question how the standards may be interpreted in the show ring."
A BBC1 documentary last year, called Pedigree Dogs Exposed, claimed some of the Kennel Club's standards were effectively encouraging dog owners to breed ill-health into their pets.
It revealed that decades of inbreeding has caused epilepsy and cancer among some entrants at the event, described by a leading vet as showcasing "a parade of mutants".
It led the BBC to suspend coverage of the dog show Crufts after The Kennel Club refused to comply with the BBC's demands that 14 'at risk' breeds be excluded from the competition.
The Kennel Club has now said it will change the standards – the ideal which show dogs must try and match - to ensure that all dogs are "fit for their original function". It will also ban the breeding between close relatives.
It said the move, part of its Fit for Function: Fit For Life campaign, will ensure pedigree dogs have the best chance of living happy, healthy lives.
They have been revised so that they will not include anything that could in any way be interpreted as encouraging features that might prevent a dog from breathing, walking and seeing freely.
Under the rules, the standard for Shar Pei dogs will no longer include exaggerated folds of loose skin across its neck, skull and legs and breeders must stop encouraging "excessive weight" in Labradors.
Owners of Clumber Spaniels will be banned from "exaggerating substance" – the size of a dog's body and muscle – so that they would be fit for their original purpose of working in the field.
Many British Bulldog breeders have reacted angrily to the changes and the British Bulldog Breed Council is threatening legal action against the Kennel Club.
Its chairman, Robin Searle, said: "What you'll get is a completely different dog, not a British bulldog."
Marc Abraham, Kennel Club veterinary advisor, said: "The changes that have been announced will leave breeders and judges in no doubt about their responsibilities to safeguard the health and welfare of dogs, first and foremost."
The Kennel Club has denied suggestions that the new guidelines were bought in as a result of the BBC decision to suspend coverage of Crufts.
Mr Evans said watching Crufts was "like seeing a parade of mutants".
He added: "Many characteristics which are considered desirable in pedigree dogs – as defined by the breed standards which the Kennel Club promotes – are actually shocking deformities which affect the welfare and quality of life for hundreds of thousands of dogs.
"There are now recognised to be more than 450 inherited diseases suffered by pedigree dogs and we believe the intentional breeding of deformed dogs and close inbreeding is morally unjustifiable and must stop."
Bulldogs are prone to skin and coat problems, respiratory disorders, orthopaedic conditions, and soft or cleft palate.
Most are born by Caesarean section because their large heads and proportionally small hips make natural births difficult.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by my2boyz

I also know for a fact that this happens. Years ago we had a beautiful male Rottweiler and a local breeder wanted to use him for stud. I visited his home to see his females and to talk with him and after a while he started talking about 'culling' the litter so I asked him what that meant. He explained that he put all the puppies outside the box and those that crawled back in were allowed to stay with the mother and the ones that didn't were left to die because they weren't strong enough to make it. I was appauled and asked why he didn't just let them go to pet homes and he said because he didn't want his name on the paperwork or for anyone to find out that his dogs produced a weak or pet quality puppy. I told him he was an a** h*** and I wouldn't let him use my male for all the money in the world and I promptly left with my dog.

Yes, this is a harsh reality but it is a reality as this happened just a few years ago. I've never understood it myself...how can you just 'dispose of' a puppy that doesn't measure up in your eyes? I can tell you from first hand experience that the ugly duckling certainly does turn out to be the beautiful swan in real life and if there are no health issues to be found then an off colored puppy has just as much right to life as a standard puppy.

Just as someone who is an AKC breeder doesn't always live up to the mother club standards, the same is true with a show breeder. Just because a person is a show breeder, it doesn't mean that they live up to the mother club standards. Anyone can be a show breeder; you don't have to live up to the ethics and rules of the mother club to be a show breeder. Many people "assume" that because someone shows that they are members of the mother club, and in the case of Yorkshire terriers this would be the YTCA. The YTCA clearly states that:

A responsible breeder will not intentionally breed for undesirable traits.
On very rare occasions, a breeder will have a puppy born with a color anomaly.
That puppy should undergo careful health screenings before being placed in a
spay/neuter (non-breeding) home. A breeder should certainly never
promote these deviations as being desirable or rare. Yorkshire Terrier Club of America (Awards)

Note it says nothing about killing the dog, and many people assume if the word cull is used it means killing. Removing the dog from the breeding program is the responsible thing to do.

Just because a person is a member of the YTCA, it also doesn't mean he will adhere to these rules, obviously some haven't, but it seems like so many people want to point out the flaws in "show breeders" as an excuse for they are doing. How does someone else doing something wrong, make what you are doing right?


The example you give is horrendous, and obviously that person has no business being a breeder at all.

[JeanieK]

Wow. That was very enlightening. I have wondered why breed clubs allow and encouraging the breeding of deformities that create health problems. The flat nosed dogs that have horrible breathing problems, the bull dopgs with heads so large the puppies all have to be delivered by c section, etc.

They operate under the theory that if something is good then more is better. giving no thought to the problems that are being created along the way.

Perhaps it is all in an attempt to "Better the Breed". Show breeders should focus on meeting the standards, not exceeding them.

It is good to see the show breeders take some heat. Maybe us non show breeders don't look so bad after all. We just want to produce nice healthy beautiful dogs.

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

You have a good point there. Which is exactly why I believe interested people need to here something other than the misleading information on the YTCA site.

I'm still waiting for an answer to my question to yorkiekist. It seems like when they questions get tough they all disappear.

What "tough" question are you asking??? I had a family emergency and have been gone. IS THAT OK WITH YOU??

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Reputable Breeders would want one to believe that they spay neuter any dog that produces an off colored puppy, but it is more likely that they just hid the puppy and continues to breed their champions. Because although they produced an occasional off colored puppy, they also produced many champions. Anyone who believes differently is a little naive.

No I do not know of any parti breeder in GB, but that does not mean that they don't exist.

And YES, to me the fact that my partis came from Champion lines, proves to me that the Officials were not able to tell the difference between a parti gene carrier and a non parti gene carrier and therefor it is a pretty sure bet that the gene has been in the breed for a long long time. If they had been crossed with something else surely the experts would have been able to tell, and if not, then what is the purpose of showing, if the experts cannot tell a mutt from a pure bred.

if you do not believe the biewer story then tell us a better one. apparently the experts in germany believed the story.

Who, exactly, are the "experts"??

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

What a boring world this would be if we all lived our lives by someone elses rules. There would be no creativiity at all, because to be creative you have to think outside of the box. There would be no new breeds estasblihed beyond a handful of original breeds. So dogs would all look pretty much the same. And the Yorkie would not exist.

I am a team player, but I don't always play by the rules.

I do not agree with the guidlines set down by the YTCA so therefore I went "elsewhere". I see no reason for disqualifying a dog because of it's color and don't need affirmation from the YTCA to tell me that I'm doing a good job.

I do not see that breeding off colored yorkies makes me or anyone else a bad person. I don't know what the YTCA is afraid of.

You and I have totally different opinions of what constitutes a reputable breeder. and I don't give a rats behind if you think I fit into that category or not.

I am in good company as there are a lot of fine fine breeders that do not care what the YTCA thinks. The YTCA did not create the Yorkshire Terrier, they do not own the breed. And they are wrong and foolish for disqualifying these beautiful colors that are a natural part of the Yorkshire Terrier makeup.

The statment has been posted twice, (once by someone who has had no knowledge of any of us) about the parti colors showing up in the Wildweir kennels, and the fact they kept it a secret, yet you refuse to believe it, and refuse to believe it, and mock me when I suggest that the reason no breeder admitted it is because they feared their reputations as breeders would be ruined.

I guess that makes you a better person and a more reputable breeder than Joan Gordon.

Actually, its the YTCA that could give a rats a** about the parti breeders. And they are definately not afraid of the colorful yorkshire terrier club and its band of parti breeders either. I never said that being a parti breeder made you a bad person, I just dont agree with your ethics as a responsible yorkei breeder.
And for your information, Joan Gordon was actually on the committee that got the color DQ passed, says that there is no recessive gene for spotting and has also written a booklet on that subject, available on the YTCA site. She has also written an extensive history of the breed.
I am sure that you parti breeders assume that YTCA has a gun to her head as well.lol I doubt very much if she did that big a flip-flop on the issue.

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

I commend you for your honesty and integrity, theoretically, you've just lost a good portion of what you have worked so hard for over the last 30 years, and now you basically have to start over from square 1. I can assure you though, that not all breeders will have those same feelings if it happened to them.

We now have 2 separate sources saying that Wildweir told AKC that they produced parti, yet you still have doubts that it's possible? Maybe you or someone else you trust could find out how closely related was Pomp to the Wildweir parti pups?

I have some sources that say we didnt go to the moon and that the Earth is flat also.

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I do not believe any breeder would continue to breed a dog that was producing offspring with health issues. Now there might be some that do, but I know nothing about that.

I know for a fact that breeders kept the color issue a secret and that is how the gene stayed alive. T he parti gene is what is being discussed here that is why I focused on that one.

Yorkiekist's post stated that she would do that and I responded with a question, asking if she would do this with any fault or just the parti color fault. she as yet to reply to that question.

You responded with surprise that I would even ask that question. After her statement why is the question so surprising. it's a legitimate question to someone who would spay/neuter for a fault that is not a health issue.

Wow, there is something you dont know about?? I would think that with all the info from all the old time breeders that you have interviewed that at least one of them knew a famous kennel that didnt care about health issues.

It would depend on the severity of the fault if I decided to spay/'neuter. Parti color is the easiest to see and is a huge fault. Find out who the producers are and spay/neuter/place. Unlevel top-line is easy to see, but can be bred out rather quickly. Its a fault, but can be worked with and improved in the next generation.