Tsa La Li---Breeder---any opinions?

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by jrsygal37

I wasn't going to post on this but I felt I had to since you made the statement that "These people went back so many years looking for anything negative to say about her." It was not SO MANY YEARS. The pups she shipped to that pet store was only done LAST YEAR (2007) Secondly, The Liver Shunt Pup that she refused to take responsibility for when the owner called her upon the pup arriving sick to them, was only in 2004. As far as the Frenchie (NOT A YORKIE) that died at 20 months old I cannot say for sure when that occured BUT from experience anything too old will not show up on a search so my guess is that like the Liver Shunt baby, it happened in the last three years. NO ONE DUG DIRT UP. She got own hands dirty when she chose to be involved with shipping pups (Whether hers or not) to a pet store. Not only shipping pups but pups too young to leave their mom let alone ship and pups that had recent surgeries. And for being so reputable all I can say is since this whole thing started I've gotten threatening emails from who I assume to be someone involved with her and all of this. Sspupdaddy. This does not sound so upstanding to me. Elaine.

Actually there is proof she sent out pups 5 times this year to the petstore. All anyone has to do is call the dept of agriculture in OK.

[Lolasmom1211]

Originally Posted by jrsygal37

I wasn't going to post on this but I felt I had to since you made the statement that "These people went back so many years looking for anything negative to say about her." It was not SO MANY YEARS. The pups she shipped to that pet store was only done LAST YEAR (2007) Secondly, The Liver Shunt Pup that she refused to take responsibility for when the owner called her upon the pup arriving sick to them, was only in 2004. As far as the Frenchie (NOT A YORKIE) that died at 20 months old I cannot say for sure when that occured BUT from experience anything too old will not show up on a search so my guess is that like the Liver Shunt baby, it happened in the last three years. NO ONE DUG DIRT UP. She got own hands dirty when she chose to be involved with shipping pups (Whether hers or not) to a pet store. Not only shipping pups but pups too young to leave their mom let alone ship and pups that had recent surgeries. And for being so reputable all I can say is since this whole thing started I've gotten threatening emails from who I assume to be someone involved with her and all of this. Sspupdaddy. This does not sound so upstanding to me. Elaine.

OK, first of all, maybe I was mistaken but I thought the OP was asking for opinions from people that had purchased and had first hand knowledge of Glenda and her puppies. Secondly, it is December of 2008, when you speak of Glenda's puppies and problems, the incident you speak of was in 2004, at least 4 years ago and lastly, as heartbreaking as it may have been, I don't think a 20 month old pup that dies of cancer would be covered under any breeders guarantee. Most guarantees that I have seen only cover 1 year and cover only congenital problems. I think the subject of Glenda Beavers has been beat to death...and as I have stated before, I don't understand why - nor do I really care to find out. I think there are a lot of people that post that are WAY too judgemental, that are not trying to be helpful, and people that live in glass houses should not throw stones ~ but I am just trying to defend someone that has always been extremely helpful, knowledgeable, and has always been available to answer any questions I have had about the sweet, beautiful babies that I have gotten from her. I just want to keep my side of the street clean and not take everyone else's inventory.

[Lolasmom1211]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

No, but the Liver Shunt puppy that she wouldn't stand behind was hers. Proof was posted. I know breeders can have problemss at some time or other. That is not the issue. The issue is howw the breeder dealss with it. Does she try to help the buyer and take steps to prevent it from happening again or does she run from the problem and keep breeding the same parents.

I think the answer must be obvious. There is no proof since 2004, that anyone has come up with (and I'm sure these people have tried) that she has had any problems with her puppies. Or at least I haven't seen any. I'm sure that this will just challenge someone to look even harder and deeper to prove me wrong, because for some reason they want to find some real dirt on Glenda.

[bildio]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

No, but the Liver Shunt puppy that she wouldn't stand behind was hers. Proof was posted. I know breeders can have problemss at some time or other. That is not the issue. The issue is howw the breeder dealss with it. Does she try to help the buyer and take steps to prevent it from happening again or does she run from the problem and keep breeding the same parents.

Do you know how she dealt with it? There was no followup to the letter that was posted. Let's stick to the facts.

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by Lolasmom1211

I think the answer must be obvious. There is no proof since 2004, that anyone has come up with (and I'm sure these people have tried) that she has had any problems with her puppies. Or at least I haven't seen any. I'm sure that this will just challenge someone to look even harder and deeper to prove me wrong, because for some reason they want to find some real dirt on Glenda.

The 8 week old puppies she brokered to a pet store were within the past couple of years and there were several shipments. GB knows what it takes to be a reputable exhibitor breeder and brokering puppies to a pet store is not something any reputable exhibitor breeder would ever do

This isn't the witch hunt you've proclaimed it to be. I, along with many others have always had positive things to say about GB and her yorkies. Once the ugly truth is known though it's impossible to pretend she is reputable, just for the sake of playing nice on a forum.

You that promote her, and others that continue to buy her puppies hopefully can live with your conscience, knowing that you've supported what is essentially a puppymill.

[bildio]

Originally Posted by phfgkl

Actually there is proof she sent out pups 5 times this year to the petstore. All anyone has to do is call the dept of agriculture in OK.

The issue I had with the statement was that the poster said that they were her pups that were shipped. Glenda said she shipped someone else's pups. We went through this on another thread, and the clarification is there.

[bildio]

Originally Posted by jencar98

The 8 week old puppies she brokered to a pet store were within the past couple of years and there were several shipments. GB knows what it takes to be a reputable exhibitor breeder and brokering puppies to a pet store is not something any reputable exhibitor breeder would ever do

This isn't the witch hunt you've proclaimed it to be. I, along with many others have always had positive things to say about GB and her yorkies. Once the ugly truth is known though it's impossible to pretend she is reputable, just for the sake of playing nice on a forum.

You that promote her, and others that continue to buy her puppies hopefully can live with your conscience, knowing that you've supported what is essentially a puppymill.

I there a breeder code of ethics, & if so what does it have to say about this matter?

[yorkieisme]

If it was someone else that was not as well known, how would YT members behave toward this breeder? I have seen breeders butchered for smaller stuff then this so I am curious what is the most important thing in a well known show breeder's home? IS it the health, the homes, the money, or championing one out? I never read the liver shunt issue on GB. Also why would GB recommend posting on YT? I do question GB's methods, but whom I am I to question any breeder. She does have beautiful dogs, but really does the look matter that much when we are talking about the well being of each and every puppy. There was also a breeder on here that was highly recommended then things became UGLY and everybody jumped on board with each other, maybe this will happen...so hopefully all of this will be proven or disaproven, i.e. video tapes, vet records, puppies owners.

Merry Christmas to ALL.

[Lolasmom1211]

Originally Posted by jencar98

The 8 week old puppies she brokered to a pet store were within the past couple of years and there were several shipments. GB knows what it takes to be a reputable exhibitor breeder and brokering puppies to a pet store is not something any reputable exhibitor breeder would ever do

This isn't the witch hunt you've proclaimed it to be. I, along with many others have always had positive things to say about GB and her yorkies. Once the ugly truth is known though it's impossible to pretend she is reputable, just for the sake of playing nice on a forum.

You that promote her, and others that continue to buy her puppies hopefully can live with your conscience, knowing that you've supported what is essentially a puppymill.

I don't know all of the politics of being a reputable breeder or exhibitor...I was just trying to answer the OP's original question. I do have first hand knowledge of dealing with Glenda and having two of her puppies from different litters. The puppies are beautiful, happy and very healthy. Glenda has always been helpful, knowledgeable and available for any and all of my questions. I think it is a far reach to call Tsa La Gi a puppymill, but you, like everyone on this forum are entitled to your opinion.

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by bildio

I there a breeder code of ethics, & if so what does it have to say about this matter?

YTCA's ethics and code of conduct.

Yorkshire Terrier Club of America Code of Ethics

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by bildio

The issue I had with the statement was that the poster said that they were her pups that were shipped. Glenda said she shipped someone else's pups. We went through this on another thread, and the clarification is there.

Okay, say they weren't her pups(which I still have my doubts), if you were a breeder, and say I was one too, and we were friends, and I asked you to ship my puppies to a petstore, would you? And, if they weren't her pups, then why didn't the person whos pups they supposedly were, send them herself?

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

YTCA's ethics and code of conduct.

Yorkshire Terrier Club of America Code of Ethics

This was very informative..States right on there, will NOT be sold to petstores..Thanks for posting this!

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

No, but the Liver Shunt puppy that she wouldn't stand behind was hers. Proof was posted. I know breeders can have problemss at some time or other. That is not the issue. The issue is how the breeder deals with it. Does she try to help the buyer and take steps to prevent it from happening again or does she run from the problem and keep breeding the same parents.

Exactly Dee.

[bildio]

Originally Posted by phfgkl

This was very informative..States right on there, will NOT be sold to petstores..Thanks for posting this!

Read that. The key word is sold . There is no proof pups were sold to a pet store. If you use the word shipped, I have no issue with the statement.

[yorkieisme]

Originally Posted by bildio

Read that. The key word is sold . There is no proof pups were sold to a pet store. If you use the word shipped, I have no issue with the statement.

Normally when one is shipped it means sold, not given away in the breeder world