How many Breeders Vaccinate their own ..

[gardenyorkies]

Originally Posted by mscat

Yes, that was definately my concern. ! The breeder administered the first vaccine too early. I have the dates. I do not know what the brand was, or if it was done properly by the breeder.
Suzi is fine, and did not have any complications. After her rabies' shot, she did sleep.
I had to take the Vet's suggestions this time. AND thankfully Suzi had no reactions whatsoever. I rather have her fully protected then try and guess and wait to see if she gets sick later.

I think you did the right thing...It is not worth the risk of Suzi contracting Parvo which is so highly contagious and deadly...The simple fact whether we like it or not is the vets do not respect the vaccines when given by breeders...So we as breeders need to accept this and let the vets vaccinate the puppies...Then the pups will not be over vaccinated!

[Nancy1999]

My breeder had it all written in the contract, and it said I wasn't to allow the vet to give certain vaccines, or she would take the dog back. I just told my vet I had to go by what the contract said, and I had no problems with the vet, of course, I thoroughly trusted Joey's breeder in this regard.

[C C Kent]

I do my own shots as well. I place the sticker from the vial on the vaccination record and have never had a vet that didn't accept the form at face value. I am very careful in handling the vaccines and my vet walked me through administering the shot. That was years ago when the old school vets were still around.

[majesticyorkies]

I do my own shots all but rabies but mine get a check up once a year, and tested for gentic defectsbefore I breed them as well as Moms to be xrays preheat tests so I know they can whelp babies ok, I work very close to my vet abnd he showed me the shots to order and all.

[sandybobb]

I administer the shots to my dogs, as shown by my vet many years ago. You have to do what you believe is best for YOUR dog. If the sticker from the vial is included in the shot record given to the new Mom/Dad, you shouldn't have a problem with vet accepting same. The techs that work at a vet's office are just people too, and there is no 100% guarantee that the vaccinations were handled properly; or the vaccines haven't expired (unless they provide you with a sticker; mine didn't). I feel that the rabies should be given by a vet so there is no problem in getting their tags/prove for dog licensing.

[SET Yorkies]

We vaccinate our own for a few reasons.... saves money for both the buyer and us, insures puppies are fully vaccinated prior to being placed in new homes (decreasing the risk of exposure), give buyers the option of having additional vaccinations needed done here for free rather than the additional expense at the vet. It just helps everyone out. Breeders who have established good relationships with several vets in their area generally have no problem. Most of the vets in the area recognize our "health care card" the buyer gives them and use it to record everything needed. Re-vaccinating is both self-serving (as there are quick test to see if the puppy has been vaccinated properly) and a general concern to me.

[Wylie's Mom]

I'm considering starting to vaccinate my guys myself - I'm a nurse and know how to do it - so I figure why not, if I do it correctly? I've been researching the vendors - and cannot find ANYWHERE the vaccine I want to use: the DHP. I believe Fort Dodge makes it, but am not totally sure. Anyway, I sure wish I could find it. Anyone have a vendor for it?

Here is a little blurb about it: A new 3 year duration distemper vaccine

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

I'm considering starting to vaccinate my guys myself - I'm a nurse and know how to do it - so I figure why not, if I do it correctly? I've been researching the vendors - and cannot find ANYWHERE the vaccine I want to use: the DHP. I believe Fort Dodge makes it, but am not totally sure. Anyway, I sure wish I could find it. Anyone have a vendor for it?

Here is a little blurb about it: A new 3 year duration distemper vaccine

I always use Jefferspets.com or Revivalanimals.com

[cesar49]

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I found this interesting site that offers some good vaccine info I haven't ran across before. http://www.angelfire.com/biz/froghol...accBlanco.html This is a subject I'm very interested in and the more research I do, the more I'm convinced we're doing much harm to our dogs and their future pups. I've also found that vaccines that are packaged in multi-dose vials have preservatives in them that can be harmful. Even if you do your own vaccinations, by law a vet must administer the rabies shot and this would be a vaccine that is packaged in multi-dose vials. Though it's just my own opinion, at this time I'm getting a gut feeling that many conditions (even some that are suspected to be genetic) that we see in dogs are the result of vaccines and/or over-vaccinations. On a related note, I was re-reading through The Joy of Breeding Your Own Show Dog by Ann Seranne and saw that she recommends giving a bitch a booster of DHL before breeding if she hasn't been vaccinated in the last 6 months. I don't agree with this at all. I'm not trying to slam MS. Seranne as the book has a copyright of 1980 and maybe at that time it seemed like a good idea. However, since this book is considered a must-have by many breeders, I wonder how many have followed this advice in the past and are we now seeing the results of this in the many health problems in some dogs. I'm not trying to 'stir the pot' with this post but it has got me wondering if these things are related. I realize there is no direct link yet proven or even a broad concensus; I'm just trying to connect the dots. I'd like to hear the thoughts on this from some of you on this subject.

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From what I've read, thymersol was used as a preservative in dog vaccines until 1992. Now aluminum is used. As I poster earlier, rabies is one vaccine we all have to get from a vet (to satisfy legal requirements) and that is a multi-dose vaccine which would have preservatives. Single dose vaccines do not require preservatives. Here's some other interesting info that may relate to vaccinations........" Procedure—The proportion of diagnoses of CPSS was calculated for all dogs and each breed recorded in the VMDB annually and for the 22.2-year period. Odds ratios and adjusted confidence intervals were calculated for breeds with at least 100 accessions by comparing odds of each breed with a diagnosis of CPSS with that of mixed-breed dogs.

Results—Congenital portosystemic shunts were reported in 0.18% of all dogs and 0.05% of mixedbreed dogs. The proportion of diagnoses of CPSS increased from 5 in 10,000 dogs in 1980 to 5 in 1,000 dogs in 2001. Yorkshire Terriers had the greatest total number of diagnoses of CPSS. Thirty-three breeds were significantly more likely to have a diagnosis of CPSS, compared with mixed-breed dogs. The greatest proportions of diagnoses were found in Havanese (3.2%), Yorkshire Terriers (2.9%), Maltese (1.6%), Dandie Dinmont Terriers (1.6%), and Pugs (1.3%)"..........How does this relate to vaccinations? Look at the extremely low incidence in LS in mixed breeds. Though you have to do a bit of assuming, It's probably safe to say that mixed breeds are less likely to have been vaccinated yearly though surely some are. Another glaring statistic is the increase in incidence from 1980 to 2001. This roughly correlates with the increased use of vaccines in general....in other words, more people are taking better care of their dogs, going to the vet and getting the 'annual vaccines' which has been the protocol during that time and still is for many vets. The highest percentage of LS mentioned is among toy breeds which are, in general, more sensitive to vaccines overall. Vaccines, by their nature, provoke an auto-immune response. Could not this constant provoking of the immune response over time create chromosonal damage that could cause conditions (especially in pups of over-vaccinated dogs) that appear to be genetic? In the case of LS, it is suspected to be genetic but no marker has yet been found. If you take generation after generation of dogs and over-vaccinate them, could not the cumulative effect of this show up as apparent 'genetic flaws' such as LS, heart murmers and arrhythmia, collapsed tracheas, etc. which are all essentially developmental problems. Like I posted before, I'm just trying to connect the dots. In the case of LS, as posted above from an article by Dr. Tobias, the increased incidence of LS goes hand in hand with the increased use of vaccines among dogs. Coincidence?

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Single dose rabies vaccines are available through Revival Animal Health but there are over 30 states that it cannot be sold to. The only other thing to do is ask your vet if he uses the single dose vaccine and, if not, could he get it for you. It seems like it's up to us, as individuals, to make sure to do what's best for our dogs as many vets cling to outdated protocols, primarily for business reasons. They get to cash in not only when they vaccinate a dog but also to treat the problems caused by them. I don't think they're sinister minded, just not thinking (well, maybe thinking about the bottom line). I worry as much about the long term effects of vaccines as I do the immediate reactions to them. As a breeder, I especially worry about the potential effects on puppies born to often vaccinated dogs.




they might have the vaccine

[DejaVu]

I do my own vaccines and my vet accepts them. I also use the same as the ones they use in their clinic. I do four sets. If I get a pup from another breeder, I always start over with the vaccines just because you never know if they were ever really done or done right.

I dont feel its necessary to bring a litter of pups to the vet and pay outrages fees every couple of weeks and expose them to diseases when they arent fully vaccinated yet. I have never had an illness pop up that a dog or puppy was already vaccinated for..

[mscat]

For those who do vaccinate your puppies, do you charge more money when you sell them?
I see that it is very important to have a trusting relationship with your vet. You need one that is on the same page with you, and is willing to accept the vaccines already administered.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

I always use Jefferspets.com or Revivalanimals.com

Thanks Dee . Yeah, I had checked them - as well as a whole slew of others - and not one of them seems to carry the DHP. It looks like such wonderful vaccine too (core only). I'm so frustrated.