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mypreciouspups 06-23-2008 11:08 AM
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Nicki, wanted to share these....Attachment 225929 this is our gracie.. our own baby

Attachment 225930 this is our singleton 5 weeks old

Attachment 225931 another of gracie..
gracie had to be tube fed.. then could not walk.. we had a brace made for her and within a week was walking.. we kept her and had her spayed..




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Originally Posted by Nikis2 (Post 2066666)
When I first got into breeding many moons ago. There were only a few really good breeders in an area. But it was more a hobby and a love of doing it. I had people waiting 8 months for a new baby. They were sold or shall I say had contracts on them all the first few weeks of life. I also never had a room packed to the floor to ceiling with poor innocent animals either nor had I heard of such a thing. Now that is all you hear about. I think the reputable breeders started to raise their prices to set there babies apart from the mass produced puppies. We spend a lot of time loving and feeding and socializing our babies. Now we have to compete with someone charging $500.00 for a puppy and a few years down the road we will get a call from someone crying about how sick their dog is that they bought. Its hard times but its very sad when you pick up a newspaper and there are more dogs for sale than jobs in the classifieds

KYBLUE 06-23-2008 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by txshopper73 (Post 2066716)
You are so right! Many people just want a yorkie. They don't care about backgrounds, genetics, etc. and when you can purchase an AKC pup for $400, the good, responsible breeders are SOL.

Summer time is not a great time to have pups. People are going on vacation, etc. I only breed once a year and I skip the summer pups. Just have too much going on.
i agree

YorkieRose 06-23-2008 02:38 PM
buyers
 
I notified you that I still get many requests for puppies and I have been gone from MD for nearly 4 yrs...I would be happy to refer to you..but you never answered my message. I just turned three people away as I and my MD breeder friends have everything spoken for right now...

Nikis2 06-23-2008 02:46 PM
I am sorry I did write you back yesterday. I don't no what happened

cesar49 06-23-2008 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by katelin (Post 2065712)
"I would just like to comment on a couple of things
#1 If you are a good breeder and have been doing this for 25 years, I would think you would hold your puppies till they were 3 months old anyways....a good breeder does that."

Not necessarily. My vet, who is excellent with Yorkies, recommends they go to their new homes at 8 weeks. That is when they start to bond to people and he believes they need to be in their new home, not with me and their mom. I personally keep them to 10 weeks, but I sure have their new parents visiting by 6-8 weeks if at all possible to help the bonding process.
from 7-12 weeks the puppys are at a special age for learning and bonding..
i think 8 weeks would be ok for the thriving , healthy , weaned puppy only if the new owner is aware of their needs and the ..window of opportunity.. at that age. they can easily be trained at this age.. jmo:animal-pa

Ladyhawk 06-24-2008 04:04 AM
I think it's a case of simple economics. The economy has caused a decrease in demand and all of the pet owners that are breeding have increased the supply. When the supply exceeds the demand prices must fall to generate interest. I breed for my next show dog and for show money so with pup prices falling and travel expenses rising I'll just have to breed and show less in the future. My concern is that if Show breeders slow down production and pet owners continue to breed poor quality dogs than the yorkie will end up with even more health issues and no longer end up looking like yorkies. Education is the key when breeding and alot of pet owners don't feel the need for education. They love their pet and assume that all yorkies should be like theirs. Most have no knowledge of their dogs ancestory or the health history of the lines. Protecting the purity of this breed gets harder all of the time. Hopefully tighter finances will discourage pet owners from breeding pet quality dogs and will be good for our breed in the end.

BamaFan121s 06-24-2008 05:08 AM
Since this isn't technically about breeding...
 
I would encourage anyone who thinks it's a good idea to place pups at 8 weeks to take a look in some of the other sections of YT first. There have been a seemingly high number of people lately posting with emergencies that their pups won't eat, scared, not acting as pups should in short. And the common link between all of them is that they got the pup at a very young age---8 weeks and even younger. Run the theory of letting them go at 8 weeks by those owners and see if they agree with you.

This is a general rule of thumb for Yorkies--if you have someone suggesting otherwise to you, I would recommend you look for advice elsewhere. It's one of those instances where I follow the lead of veteran, respected breeders and you'll be hard pressed to find any who place their pups so early. (Did I mention it is a YTCA guideline as well.)

IMO, this is an aspect where you err on the side of caution. Sure, things *may* end up with a happy ending, but why chance it?

C C Kent 06-24-2008 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 2068259)
I think it's a case of simple economics. The economy has caused a decrease in demand and all of the pet owners that are breeding have increased the supply. When the supply exceeds the demand prices must fall to generate interest. I breed for my next show dog and for show money so with pup prices falling and travel expenses rising I'll just have to breed and show less in the future. My concern is that if Show breeders slow down production and pet owners continue to breed poor quality dogs than the yorkie will end up with even more health issues and no longer end up looking like yorkies. Education is the key when breeding and alot of pet owners don't feel the need for education. They love their pet and assume that all yorkies should be like theirs. Most have no knowledge of their dogs ancestory or the health history of the lines. Protecting the purity of this breed gets harder all of the time. Hopefully tighter finances will discourage pet owners from breeding pet quality dogs and will be good for our breed in the end.
I share these hopes and concerns. If the market is slow and the pet quality breeders just keep producing puppies and reducing prices the breed will suffer, not to mention each individual puppy. I have relatively few buyers that come to me for their first yorkie. My typical buyer has already purchased a yorkie and it didn't turn out like they had hoped, now they are ready to pay a little more and do some research to get what they thought they were getting in the beginning.

Pure bred does not necessarily mean well bred. :cool:

cesar49 06-24-2008 05:37 AM
Ihvvd
 
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Originally Posted by C C Kent (Post 2068337)
I share these hopes and concerns. If the market is slow and the pet quality breeders just keep producing puppies and reducing prices the breed will suffer, not to mention each individual puppy. I have relatively few buyers that come to me for their first yorkie. My typical buyer has already purchased a yorkie and it didn't turn out like they had hoped, now they are ready to pay a little more and do some research to get what they thought they were getting in the beginning.

Pure bred does not necessarily mean well bred. :cool:
:thumbup::thumbup:
As a newer breeder, 3 years ... I feel that My puppies are valuable both financially and
for the way they have been raised.. but I might be the only one who believes it.. :cool:
I have one puppy available :animal36 but I can't part with him even though I should.:rolleyes:
Am I crazy to think he is worth two thousand minimum.? :p
But I need to do what is right by finding the right homes for puppies I bring into the world.
This means I might end up keeping my babies longer than I had planned..
If a puppy is very well trained, then he is more valuable.
JMHO
:animal-pa

cesar49 06-24-2008 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Nikis2 (Post 2063439)
Hi I have been breeding about 2 or 3 litters a year of my Champion Sired females and have always sold my babies within a few weeks of birth. This is the first time in over 25 years that I still have puppies which will be 3 months old. There are so many people out there selling puppies you don't no what you are getting anymore. They are treating these babies like livestock for goodness sake.
The USDA issues kennel licenses to puppy mills.. with the same rules applied to dogs as pigs, horses, cows, and chickens.. there needs to be laws to separate the dogs from livestock.. but it is out of control just like all the other evil in this world.. god help us all:eek:

MistyLouG 06-24-2008 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by C C Kent (Post 2068337)

Pure bred does not necessarily mean well bred. :cool:


I SO AGREE WITH THAT!!!!!!!!!!

yougetthesmiles 06-24-2008 07:39 AM
I think people look in the paper and see AKC yorkies for $450, so they think that they are getting a good deal!

Just happened to my friend, she bought a female for $350 and the puppy died 3 days later.

You get what you pay for and some people have to learn the hard way.

I'm new to breeding, this is my second litter. I have done tons of research and I hope one day I can have champion show yorkies, that's my dream!

4doggiemama 06-24-2008 08:40 AM
Very, very interesting conversation. Someday all the information you all are posting will help someone make a wise choice. Applies to me, too. Every so often I run across a Newbie while posting welcomes that say they are looking for a Yorkie. Always tell them to go to the breeders section and learn before they buy. Love to hear ethical breeders discussing.:D

ckuz13 06-24-2008 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by cesar49 (Post 2063725)
i have heard that dogs LIVE IN THE MOMENT and do not grieve or miss their old owners after a few days.. maybe i am wrong..:) it could be that you are worried and passing that fear / anxiety to her.. i think they know how we feel, and they react to us.. she probably loves you so much
because you love her so much...... they are so dependent on us.. quite a responsibility..:)
Animals do grieve. I have worked with a lot of animals that had to be rehomed or some just taken care of temporarily..They bounce back quicker when placed in a loving home but they do remember previous owners. Long story short..i had rescued a cocker spaniel and had him for 2 yrs..he was so sweet and I was happy to have given him a loving home..Turned out the pet hospital I worked at had a client that end up telling us about a cocker spaniel he owned that was taken from his backyard..he was crushed..his kids were so upset and he said he had never given up looking for him...he showed us a pic and It was my Basil.. I had to do the right thing and reunite them. Basil, although happy with me was even more joyful when seeing his previous family..I still get emotional..sorry op..I just had to tell this story..good luck

cesar49 06-24-2008 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by ckuz13 (Post 2068891)
Animals do grieve. I have worked with a lot of animals that had to be rehomed or some just taken care of temporarily..They bounce back quicker when placed in a loving home but they do remember previous owners. Long story short..i had rescued a cocker spaniel and had him for 2 yrs..he was so sweet and I was happy to have given him a loving home..Turned out the pet hospital I worked at had a client that end up telling us about a cocker spaniel he owned that was taken from his backyard..he was crushed..his kids were so upset and he said he had never given up looking for him...he showed us a pic and It was my Basil.. I had to do the right thing and reunite them. Basil, although happy with me was even more joyful when seeing his previous family..I still get emotional..sorry op..I just had to tell this story..good luck
:cool:.. you are an angel :thumbup:


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