The Great Debate..."Breeder" or "Backyard Breeder"

[Marc]

Originally Posted by tjdmom

I guess I'm gonna jump in here too and add my two cents for whatever it is worth. I really do understand your wanting to find out if this is for you as far as breeding goes. It's something I have always wanted to do and maybe someday but I must say that I feel the need to really research and make sure that if I do breed in the future, it is for the right reasons. I would never ever breed a yorkie who was not show quality because in my mind, if you are going to do this you have to be sure you are doing it the "right" way. Now I'm sure everyone might have different definitions of what "right" is but in my mind that means above all never breeding a yorkie who had any kind of health problems in their lines and only breeding a show quality dog. I look at many pictures and try to look at my dog with a really unbiased eye but since I love her and I think she is absolutely the best doggie ever , I'm not always sure I do that. I am actually having her evaluated by someone locally and I really really want to start showing her so I hope they give me the thumbs up. I also would personally never breed an unregistered pup. I think if this is something you really really want to do, that would be great but please make sure you are doing it the right way and for the right reasons. No matter what you decide, I do think this has been an interesting thread and I have enjoyed reading it.

I think your pup (in the picture there) is so gorgeous...I hope you get the thumbs up too!

Like I said before...I didn't start this thread cause I am to the point of wanting to breed...I started it to learn and talk about the two sides. Should I decide to breed her in the future you can bet that I would do all my research and work prior...as well as think of the reasons why.

I actually ran into a retired Yorkie breeder not too long ago while out for a walk. She LOVED to hold my girl and was happy to answer coat growing questions and such for me. I got her number so I would certainly call on her for any questions in the future.

[Gingergirlsmom]

Marc, I've been reading this thread and have found it very interesting. I'd love to see the pics and videos of your girl...but am apparently not cp savvy enough to locate them. Don't worry, I have no intention of "critiquing" anyone's pup. LOL, my two are about as off-standard as they come. Just interested in seeing your pics.

[Marc]

Originally Posted by Gingergirlsmom

Marc, I've been reading this thread and have found it very interesting. I'd love to see the pics and videos of your girl...but am apparently not cp savvy enough to locate them. Don't worry, I have no intention of "critiquing" anyone's pup. LOL, my two are about as off-standard as they come. Just interested in seeing your pics.

Ha...I know what you mean...it's hard to navigate this thing. Well, the picture by my name has both my Yorkie and my other dog. If you go to the "Yorkie Video" section then you will find a thread titled "9 week old yorkie learning to sit" and that is her in the first week we got her. I think if you click on "Gallery" at the top of the screen here....and then type in my username you will get pics of her that I posted. Let me know how that works!

[YorkieRose]

That is what I do and have done for 35 yrs...

12 weeks is a perfect age to start evaluation of the coat etc...this is how breeders do it...we watch and wait..and when we see a fault we do not want to reproduce, we find a lovely home for the Yorkie...and continue with the pups who show potential.

Please do not be insulted at an evaluation..of course, I did break my rule..you did NOT ask the quality of your Yorkie and for that I am in the wrong to have done so.

[bjh]

Originally Posted by Marc

If I am reading that comment correctly....that is very rude. Very rude. Though I am "playing" the other side of this debate....you WILL NOT see me insult ANYONES pup. Not ever.

I did not mean it to be rude. All yorkies are beautiful. Even among show breeders, they all can't agree on what the perfect yorkie should look like.

[Marc]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

That is what I do and have done for 35 yrs...

12 weeks is a perfect age to start evaluation of the coat etc...this is how breeders do it...we watch and wait..and when we see a fault we do not want to reproduce, we find a lovely home for the Yorkie...and continue with the pups who show potential.

Please do not be insulted at an evaluation..of course, I did break my rule..you did NOT ask the quality of your Yorkie and for that I am in the wrong to have done so.

I'm not insulted. I'm just wondering how you can evaluate and determine the texture of her coat and such threw a picture of her at 3 months old? I was under the impression that yorkies coats change as they grow, losing their puppy coat and coming into their adult coat later. So, what by the picture makes you think she is not where she should be?

[Marc]

Originally Posted by bjh

I did not mean it to be rude. All yorkies are beautiful. Even among show breeders, they all can't agree on what the perfect yorkie should look like.

If I met up with you and you were talking to me about your pup and then showed me a picture and the comment I gave you was..."Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder".....you'd certainly take that as rude.

I'll just say this and leave it be.....I didn't start this thread to be slammed. I didn't start this thread to have my dog slammed. I started this thread with no "bad thoughts or feelings" and just wanted to have a good clean discussion so both sides could put out their thoughts and hopefully learn from one another. Seeing as how I chose to make myself the "other side" and I am alone so far in this thread on that end of it...and the rest "breeder" minded....I was prepared to defend and question on the other side and new it may not be easy. But I am not intending to just be steam-rolled as a human pet lover or have my dog steam rolled either.

No problem though. I can easily move on. I am glad that others are enjoying the discussion and learning.

[topknot]

I do have about 30 years experience and you know coats. When you see a certain coat on a puppy - you know from experience. I was also a vet tech and also so many yorkies from being there. Your baby has a coat just like my first yorkie Chrissy. Let me find a photo. Here it is! I showed her and learned a lot. I look back and what a difference. But you have to start somewhere. She never grew a long coat. The photo was taken back in the late 70's. Everyone was nice and knew I was making a start and trying.
T.

[topknot]

And not trying to be rude - just educating. I think it is harder to educate in computer form. Less personal. So please do not take it as being rude. I was a little upset with your comment though to me in the beginning, but over it now. We all learn.

I did check out your photo gallery before making comments. Sweet photos. Are those your girls? I have a 26 year old. Boy am I getting old.

T.

[bjh]

Originally Posted by Marc

If I met up with you and you were talking to me about your pup and then showed me a picture and the comment I gave you was..."Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder".....you'd certainly take that as rude.

I'll just say this and leave it be.....I didn't start this thread to be slammed. I didn't start this thread to have my dog slammed. I started this thread with no "bad thoughts or feelings" and just wanted to have a good clean discussion so both sides could put out their thoughts and hopefully learn from one another. Seeing as how I chose to make myself the "other side" and I am alone so far in this thread on that end of it...and the rest "breeder" minded....I was prepared to defend and question on the other side and new it may not be easy. But I am not intending to just be steam-rolled as a human pet lover or have my dog steam rolled either.

No problem though. I can easily move on. I am glad that others are enjoying the discussion and learning.

I am sorry you took offense. I guess I did not choose my words well. We are all sensitive when it comes to our babies. I guess my point was that just because you think your dog is beautiful that does not necessarily mean she should be bred or is breeding quality. I was not making that comment from what I was seeing in the picture because the picture on you avatar is too small for me to tell much of anything and she is a young puppy. It was just a general statement. I did not go to your profile to see any other pictures. Like I said before, whatever you decide to do is your business, we are just here to give advise and opinions.

[Marc]

Originally Posted by topknot

I do have about 30 years experience and you know coats. When you see a certain coat on a puppy - you know from experience. I was also a vet tech and also so many yorkies from being there. Your baby has a coat just like my first yorkie Chrissy. Let me find a photo. Here it is! I showed her and learned a lot. I look back and what a difference. But you have to start somewhere. She never grew a long coat. The photo was taken back in the late 70's. Everyone was nice and knew I was making a start and trying.
T.

I'm honestly jealous that you know coats, lol. I still figuring out what she'll be like....when they lose puppy hair and does it "fall off" or "grow out". I have much to learn. Her coat isn't "rough" but what I would call "dry". She is on a good quality food and I am soon going to be giving her Omega 3, 6, 9. Her hair on her head is growing in nicely and very soft. Her body hair is growing...but slower. I saw both of her parents for a long period of time so I have an idea of what she MAY be like.

Anyway, that's neither here nor there...she's too young yet for me to determine what it'll be. Her hair is already what I can see in your picture so i think she will be closer to what her parents were which is a long but slow growing coat.

[topknot]

Originally Posted by Marc

I'm honestly jealous that you know coats, lol. I still figuring out what she'll be like....when they lose puppy hair and does it "fall off" or "grow out". I have much to learn. Her coat isn't "rough" but what I would call "dry". She is on a good quality food and I am soon going to be giving her Omega 3, 6, 9. Her hair on her head is growing in nicely and very soft. Her body hair is growing...but slower. I saw both of her parents for a long period of time so I have an idea of what she MAY be like.

Anyway, that's neither here nor there...she's too young yet for me to determine what it'll be. Her hair is already what I can see in your picture so i think she will be closer to what her parents were which is a long but slow growing coat.

Chrissy's coat (one in photo) stayed that way from the time she was like 5 months till the rest of her life. It just never grew. It was fine and just stayed short. I tried oil and that did not even work.
Don't forget pups do also look like their grandparents, not just the parents , and can skip a generation and look exactly like the grandparent and nothing like their parents at all. I have seen this time after time. That is why it is so important to know lines. If it is an outcross - it is anyones guess.
What did you mean you are honestly jealous I know coats. LOL (what exactly?)
T.

[Marc]

Originally Posted by topknot

Chrissy's coat (one in photo) stayed that way from the time she was like 5 months till the rest of her life. It just never grew. It was fine and just stayed short. I tried oil and that did not even work.
Don't forget pups do also look like their grandparents, not just the parents , and can skip a generation and look exactly like the grandparent and nothing like their parents at all. I have seen this time after time. That is why it is so important to know lines. If it is an outcross - it is anyones guess.
What did you mean you are honestly jealous I know coats. LOL (what exactly?)
T.

I mean exactly that. One of the most mysterious and complicated things of a Yorkie is the coat....it'd be nice to know more. I am learning. I see her coat growing and changing color every week....so it is interesting and a learning experience for me. I have a friend who also has a yorkie pup the same age and looks completly different....it's interesting..

[cesar49]

Originally Posted by Marc

I mean exactly that. One of the most mysterious and complicated things of a Yorkie is the coat....it'd be nice to know more. I am learning. I see her coat growing and changing color every week....so it is interesting and a learning experience for me. I have a friend who also has a yorkie pup the same age and looks completly different....it's interesting..

i have a grizzly yorkipoo with an amazing coat. he is 6 months old,, he never mats, he is soft and colorful,, too bad they dont have shows for yorkipoos..
my other yorkipoo from the same litter has the flat coat. totally different..
gus gus loves to be groomed.. i will cry if i ever have to cut his baby hair. it is amazing to see the color changes in the yorkies.. my yorkie has a beautiful golden color at age 3.. they do change...

[cesar49]

Originally Posted by Marc

I havent tested her....cause I'm not breeding her at this point. I used the tests as example that both breeder and pet owner were taking the same measures.

i asked my vet about testing my dogs ... she said it was not necessary.. they are healthy....i trust my vet