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red98vett · 01-05-2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Gingergirlsmom

OP, I don't know you and up until now I watched this thread and kept my thoughts to myself...I've been waiting to see how you would respond to much of the advice given here.

Here are my thoughts. We all are learning new things everyday. I have learned SO much about the care of yorkies since I got Ginger just 3 years ago. Yet I had been a pet owner my entire life. In order to learn how to be do the absolute BEST by my furkids, I needed to let go of some of my preconcieved ideas about it. I would NEVER even consider breeding unless I was prepared to devote myself entirely to learning the best, most ethical practices.

You have a great opportunity here at YT to ask advice from some experienced and dedicated breeders. Yet, it seems, you (like many others) do not wish to hear what their real opinions/advice are (such as to get a new vet and to not let this baby have puppies). Instead, you want to hear what they would do in this situation. But the reality is, they wouldn't let their dogs get into this situation in the first place. Please, consider that much of what is being said here IS the best advice.

Finally, and this is not to be mean, just to inspire thought for anyone out their considering breeding. THOUSANDS of unwanted yorkies end up in rescue each year. There are many reasons for this, but one big contributor is the number of dogs being bred. I, for one, wish that everyone would leave breeding to the serious, ethical, "doing it for the improvement of the breed" breeders.

addicted · 01-05-2008, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by tiggerr36792

I answered your questions in an earlier post, but I had to come back and tell you how sorry I am that your getting more negative responses then helpful ones.

Although I agree this breeding is a mistake and should never have happened, I find the most important thing right now is the healthy and safety of your female. If theres anything I can do to help you please feel free to ask me, send me a pm anytime.

Now have you considered aborting this litter?? Are you fully aware at the high risk of death your putting your female at?? Perhaps now that you have seen peoples explanation of what harm can come to your female you should seriously reconsider allowing this wehlping to take place. Well whatever your decision is ultimately it is your choice and we should be here to support you in a positive way for the well being of your girl. I hope this post becomes more helpful to you as you get more insight into the dangers you can be faced with!

Well said....

I'm pretty sure she don't want to abort the litter. She intentionally bred them to begin with. Can you say "cha ching!"....

addicted · 01-05-2008, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MeganS

OK, I'm going to try to hold my tounge here. At least a little bit.

But I do hope you realize that your baby's life is now in severe danger and she could DIE if you let her carry these puppies. Are you aware that there is a possibility that you will LOSE your dog? That's something you have to think about before you breed, ever.

I'm praying for your puppy (Because that's what she is, a puppy). I do hope all goes well with the pregnancy, if you decide to go through with it. No dog should be bread on every heat cycle, and shame on your breeder for doing that. I don't know what you, your vets, or your breeders were thinking saying its OK to breed a 3#, 9 month old baby.

And if you think this is harsh, then consider yourself lucky that I didn't say what I'm really thinking.

I totally agree with you.

yorkiekist · 01-05-2008, 11:41 AM

How is it that she has been breeding chorkies that she needs help when breeding a Yorkie? Or did she wait until they were 1` year old instead of 8 months? Or maybe the chorkie parents were much bigger than 3 lbs? Her vet must be an idiot. Even most people with just a little common sense know not to breed an 8 month old, 3 lbs girl. Well, whats done is done. Maybe a new knowledgable vet is on the horizon.

yorkiekist · 01-05-2008, 11:44 AM

and after 1150 posts and been on YT for awhile too. Was nothing learned about breeding tinies and under 18 months of age?

MeganS · 01-05-2008, 11:44 AM

My thinking is that the vet meant that when she is older, if she gets big enough, she will be OK for breeding. I seriously hope that he didn't mean to run out and let them breed right away.

Did you at least get the proper testing done?

MyFairLacy · 01-05-2008, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkiekist

How is it that she has been breeding chorkies that she needs help when breeding a Yorkie? Or did she wait until they were 1` year old instead of 8 months? Or maybe the chorkie parents were much bigger than 3 lbs? Her vet must be an idiot. Even most people with just a little common sense know not to breed an 8 month old, 3 lbs girl. Well, whats done is done. Maybe a new knowledgable vet is on the horizon.

Her sister had the female chihuahua - she had the male yorkie. I don't think she was responsible for the actual birth

yorkiekist · 01-05-2008, 11:51 AM

Sorry, I must have mis-read!!! I thought she was breeding the chorkies. but there is still enough info here on YT to know better than to breed tiny and so young. But, hopefully all will go well. Good luck on the up-coming litter.

yorkiekist · 01-05-2008, 11:54 AM

In post #69, she states that she breeds chorkies. Thats why I thought she was experienced at breeding toy dogs.

MyFairLacy · 01-05-2008, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkiekist

Sorry, I must have mis-read!!! I thought she was breeding the chorkies. but there is still enough info here on YT to know better than to breed tiny and so young. But, hopefully all will go well. Good luck on the up-coming litter.

Some past threads by TinyBit:

Asking if she should breed her male yorkie to sister's chihuahua http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80021

Obviously didn't listen to advise because here is a thread about the puppies being born http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91881

Why post and ask for advise and then disregard it and do what you want anyway?

scrapindee · 01-05-2008, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Toby'sMama

Looks to me like it was in response to post #52... was very clear why it was posted.

Whether or not the dogs are AKC or what AKC says about age, this person was not too bright in her breeding practices; stating the dog wasn't AKC didn't really change the fact that the two pups were too small, too young, and at risk.

reneernc · 01-05-2008, 02:04 PM

I know now why I avoided this thread. I rarely post but I do read alot and whether this sounds harsh or not all the advice in the world won't change anything in this situation. Sorry, but this person sounds like an impatient child wanting what they want NOW. I haven't read all the posts but I am hoping whomever sold her these babies can do something to get them back.
All the education in the wworld won't make a difference for some people
and to provide additional support only serves some people as a reward for further attention.

AprilLove · 01-05-2008, 03:19 PM

There is a good thing about having a thread like this. All the advise and knowledge given about why this is sooo wrong to do to these poor babies. This is a great source of information for new members, new pet owners, wannabe breeders, etc, that may not know the reasons why these little creatures should not be bred so small. Education dear people, you have offered that here and I applaud that

(speaking to all breeders or non-breeders who have offered up the reasons why this was just so not right) IMHO, it is because we LOVE and care about dogs that we are going to jump in and try to protect them. Harsh words or kind words, if even one person can be stopped from risking the life or lives of these innocent little creatures, then it is worth it. I can only hope this little girl comes out of this safely.

Ellie May · 01-05-2008, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MeganS

My thinking is that the vet meant that when she is older, if she gets big enough, she will be OK for breeding. I seriously hope that he didn't mean to run out and let them breed right away.

Did you at least get the proper testing done?

I hope so.

OP: What tests did you have done before?

This is still so unsafe either way.

kelkiss5 · 01-06-2008, 09:00 AM

I read the first page and have jumped to the last 1 here. I no what is being said in the 4 pages in between. And I can guess that it is not what you want to hear. Well im always the type to sit back and look at this type of question with both my eyes open and quite a lot of understanding.
But you have absolutely put me into shock. I cant believe that you would breed a puppy, OMG you are being so irresponsible. I mean she is only a baby herself, how can you expect her to be a good Mother when she has so little experience of life herself. How can you expect a puppy who am assuming just wants to play all day herself to be calm enough to give those wee puppy's all the love, care and attention they need.
SHAME ON YOU. Puppy mill just comes to my mind!!!!!!! I am sorry but thats all I can say to you.

01-05-2008, 11:44 AM	#81
MeganS Donating YT 7000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 12,016 Blog Entries: 1	My thinking is that the vet meant that when she is older, if she gets big enough, she will be OK for breeding. I seriously hope that he didn't mean to run out and let them breed right away. *Did you at least* get the proper testing done? __________________ Megan "I have my dreams, I have made plans." - The Pirate Queen All Gave Some; Some Gave All**

01-05-2008, 03:19 PM	#88
AprilLove My Three Hearts Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Wrapped around their paws :-) Posts: 7,190	There is a good thing about having a thread like this. All the advise and knowledge given about why this is sooo wrong to do to these poor babies. This is a great source of information for new members, new pet owners, wannabe breeders, etc, that may not know the reasons why these little creatures should not be bred so small. Education dear people, you have offered that here and I applaud that (speaking to all breeders or non-breeders who have offered up the reasons why this was just so not right) IMHO, it is because we LOVE and care about dogs that we are going to jump in and try to protect them. Harsh words or kind words, if even one person can be stopped from risking the life or lives of these innocent little creatures, then it is worth it. I can only hope this little girl comes out of this safely. __________________ MaryKay AprilLove Wubs Moosie R.I.P. Bailey & BitsyRoo Last edited by AprilLove; 01-05-2008 at 03:21 PM.

01-06-2008, 09:00 AM	#90
kelkiss5 YT 500 Club Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: ireland Posts: 660	I read the first page and have jumped to the last 1 here. I no what is being said in the 4 pages in between. And I can guess that it is not what you want to hear. Well im always the type to sit back and look at this type of question with both my eyes open and quite a lot of understanding. But you have absolutely put me into shock. I cant believe that you would breed a puppy, OMG you are being so irresponsible. I mean she is only a baby herself, how can you expect her to be a good Mother when she has so little experience of life herself. How can you expect a puppy who am assuming just wants to play all day herself to be calm enough to give those wee puppy's all the love, care and attention they need. SHAME ON YOU. Puppy mill just comes to my mind!!!!!!! I am sorry but thats all I can say to you. __________________ Missy Boots Betty

01-05-2008, 11:41 AM	#79
yorkiekist YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: HOT, HOT, HOT AZ Posts: 3,150	How is it that she has been breeding chorkies that she needs help when breeding a Yorkie? Or did she wait until they were 1` year old instead of 8 months? Or maybe the chorkie parents were much bigger than 3 lbs? Her vet must be an idiot. Even most people with just a little common sense know not to breed an 8 month old, 3 lbs girl. Well, whats done is done. Maybe a new knowledgable vet is on the horizon.

01-05-2008, 11:51 AM	#83
yorkiekist YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: HOT, HOT, HOT AZ Posts: 3,150	Sorry, I must have mis-read!!! I thought she was breeding the chorkies. but there is still enough info here on YT to know better than to breed tiny and so young. But, hopefully all will go well. Good luck on the up-coming litter.

01-05-2008, 11:54 AM	#84
yorkiekist YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: HOT, HOT, HOT AZ Posts: 3,150	In post #69, she states that she breeds chorkies. Thats why I thought she was experienced at breeding toy dogs.

01-05-2008, 02:04 PM	#87
reneernc Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: alabama Posts: 807	I know now why I avoided this thread. I rarely post but I do read alot and whether this sounds harsh or not all the advice in the world won't change anything in this situation. Sorry, but this person sounds like an impatient child wanting what they want NOW. I haven't read all the posts but I am hoping whomever sold her these babies can do something to get them back. All the education in the wworld won't make a difference for some people and to provide additional support only serves some people as a reward for further attention.