First time breeding??

[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by daisy mae06

YA think it is time to LIB.. ???
she knows how you feel and evryone else too. I have backed out of this thread. as I though I knew the OP But now??
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I will Keep my mouth Shut.

I just think she's being dishonest. She clearly said in her original post that she consulted three breeders and a vet before they bred who said "it would be fine". Maybe she didn't think her male would be ready, but I really don't think she did anything to prevent this breeding. If it was really an accident, then fine, but she already said before that it wasn't and now all of a sudden she's changing her mind and making excuses. It is not that difficult to keep two dogs apart...many reputable breeders do it all the time with no accidents...the OP wanted her dogs to breed and they have. Unfortunately, she has put her puppy's life in danger

[yorkiegirl83]

I'm not a breeder, nor do I ever intend to become one so I can't speak from experience. All of my pets will be spayed and neutered and I will leave the breeding to the experts who know the ins and outs of what they are doing.

But, you've gotten wonderful advice from this board. Better advice than from your own vet so it seems.

I truly can't imagine such a small *baby* being a mother to a litter of pups not to mention her size and how dangerous that is, but this has been talked about so it isn't even worth repeating at this point.

I sincerely hope you can take all the honest advice out of true concern for your female and put it to use to take the best possible care of her.

[sweetr72]

My god..Soleil is 8 months old and just a baby!! I cant imagine her having puppies for crying out loud!! If you are so hoping she isnt pregnant why not get her spayed while the pregnancy is still early (if she is pregnant) and why not buy a crate to separate them from each other??? I am sure this wasnt an "accident" accidents happen once not over and over again..lol...why would you even think of putting them together if he is still trying to hump her anyhow??? If you are in contact with great breeders all of these questions should be answered for you quite easily..

Dawn

[scrapindee]

Originally Posted by TinyBit

This would not be about money.
If you fancy breeders with all your experience would NOT price your puppies so high, more of the commonman (woman) could afford them. the Yorkie was first owned by poor people in England until some fancy lady decieded she just had to have one, then they started breeding them smaller and smaller to satifiy the RICH people. CAN YOU SAY CHA CHING!!!!!!!

Did I read this right: Now you are blaming responsible breeders who made the mistake of allowing you to buy 2 yorkies are to blame....

Yes you should have crated them.


And you don't need to wait several weeks to xray the 3# female--how about getting an ultra-sound done. If she is pg--spay her now. If she isn't, spay her immediately.

Dawn you are not acting very responsibly here...

[Tinker'sMommy]

Here I go with my BIG MOUTH...........TINY BIT...........You need to step back and LISTEN to everything everyone here is trying to tell YOU................Now you are trying to make it sound like it was an accident .................HOW COULD YOU HURT A BABY THAT TINY? SHE IS JUST A BABY...........


BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU, BREEDERS PRICE THEIR TINIES HIGHER .

I dont care what you think of me...........You are a bad mom to that poor baby If you truly loved her you would've made sure was safe from getting pregnant..........She is to be a princess Not a breeding machine

You claim you are asking for advice but YOU DONT LISTEN to any of it.............and you are a member since APRIL of 2007.......and all that reading you have done, YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER............

I will pray alot for that baby and hope to GOD she is not pregnant


I think you are very wrong......

[Tinker'sMommy]

This was one of your questions


What other dangers Do I need to know???


You have all the answers here..............but the major danger is SHE COULD DIE

[MikaTallulah]

Originally Posted by TinyBit

Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Walton KS
Posts: 1,126 Advice for first time breeding.

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Ok, first off I know many of you will say I should NOT have let my pups breed. I had both checked with two local vets and talked with three breeders in my area that said it would be fine. So our story goes like this.

This was Lacie's First heat cycle(age 9 months) in a 3# female, very small be also very mature and healthly. Her mother is also 3# and used for breeding twice a year. Her sire is 3# also. Mother always has 4 pups in each litter avg. about 1.5 oz at birth and adult weight avg. 3#

Gizmo was only 7 months and I wasn't sure he'd be ready yet. He figured it out. He is bigger almost 5#. Both I believe comes from smaller parents. I got him from Pam Hinkle here on YT.

Questions: I saw tie ups from Dec. 14 - Dec. 19th. When should I begin counting days from??? the first? the Last? Between??

At what date should I be doing xrays?? Are they needed?

What other dangers Do I need to know???

I have checked out the heat cycle link and have read as much as possible. But just thought I'd ask you all that have been there for your advice also.
Thanks
Dawn
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I am hoping to one day breed in the future. I believe that breeding should add to the breed. I would never personally breed unless my female was a minimum of 18 months and 5 pounds but that is me. I do question the breeder you bought from. It is not safe to breed any dog at every season and most dogs have 2 seasons per year. Just like human mom's doggy moms need time to recover too. If the breeder you purchased from is breed her females that often I question to overall health of her puppies.

Just because three breeders said it is okay does not make it okay. Some breeder are out for the money and not the health of the animals. I only say this because I used to work for a vet. I repeatedly so the same breeders over and over again bring in there tiny females for forced c-sections because the puppies were in danger.

Also some vets are questionable as well. The vets. I worked for would not recommend these breeders but continues to treat the females because they did not want something bad to happen to them. A few of the females where spayed on purpose to prevent them from getting pregnant again. I know bad vet. but those females where then placed into loving homes once their puppies were weaned.

Good luck with your possible litter though.

[MikaTallulah]

Originally Posted by TinyBit

I must Clear up a misunderstanding here:
I wrote earlier: Her mother is also 3# and used for breeding twice a year. Her sire is 3# also. Mother always has 4 pups in each litter avg. about 1.5 oz at birth
I meant her sire is breed twice a year to different females. Th breeder has three females. Lacie's mom is 4 years old and has had 3 litters.
Sorry about the error.

Three litters in 4 years seems like a lot to me. Most breeder I have talk to only breed there females at a max of 4 litters.

[MikaTallulah]

You can take your female for a blood test or ultrasound at roughly 1 month gestation for find out about pregnancy for confirmation.

[sweetie3]

just want to say I hope your girl is fine and delivers all her pups healthy and she is fine if she is pregnant that is

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by scrapindee

Did I read this right: Now you are blaming responsible breeders who made the mistake of allowing you to buy 2 yorkies are to blame.....

Whoa - if someone is breeding then they have a strong responsibility to fully understand where their puppies are going. Calling vets, calling animal control and neighbors if need be, especially if they are selling breeding dogs. Yes, people lie but if more breeders would take the time to check out new owner’s before hand then maybe we would not have these types of situations. I also believe a reputable breeder would have a contract with any puppy sold to protect the dogs.

In this case this owner already bred two different purebreds to make what "designer dogs"? and it was all here on YT. How hard was that to check out?

While I am in no way saying what this owner is doing is right (it is wrong on all levels to me) the original breeders also have a responsibility to not just sell to anyone to add more mixed/poorly breed puppies to this world. Where is the mentoring? You have heard the saying before "every time someone breeds, a shelter dog dies". All you have to read on YT is how many sick Yorkies are being bought with LP, numerous other genetic health issues and just plan sick with diseases. Everyone who breeds must fully understand the role they are playing in the hugh supply of dogs that are breed every year and the millions that are put to death every year. Because the American public feels a humane responsibility to not let the surplus dogs just starve to death on the streets and for the public health welfare, the public is paying for the over supply of dogs to be sheltered and adopted or put to sleep. This does not include the many, many private rescues that use their own money or raise money to help these poor dogs. I guarantee if all breeders had to start paying for all of this, then you certainly would see a change in how some breeders are placing their dogs. When is the cycle going to end?

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

In this case this owner already bred two different purebreds to make what "designer dogs"? and it was all here on YT. How hard was that to check out?
While I am in no way saying what this owner is doing is right (it is wrong on all levels to me) the original breeders also have a responsibility to not just sell to anyone to add more mixed/poorly breed puppies to this world. Where is the mentoring?

Good points Cindy. I don't know the background or circumstances regarding these two pups-soon-to-be-parents, but I agree: Breeders also have to have some accountability for the dogs they place. More so than just, "she pomised she wouldn't" or "I'd have never thought" If you as a breeder, have a dog that shouldn't be bred, it's up to you to make sure it is s/n or on an enforced s/n agreement upon being placed. Sadly, you can't count on people to 'do the right thing' anymore.

[yougetthesmiles]

Personally if it would have been me, regaurdless what a vet said, I would have waited till the 2nd heat cycle. My Lillie is 3lbs and I could not even imagine her having pups, nor would I ever put her through that.

Have you had a vet confirm that she is pregnant? I did not read this entire thread, I was afraid to.

Best of luck, I'm sure you will keep a close eye on her, be perpared to take plenty time off of work (if you work) You will want to make sure you are with her around her due date just to be safe, i would not let her out of my site for anything!

[reneernc]

If this weren't so sad I would be LMAO!

[trisha94]

^^ haha, that cracked me up.

As for TinyBit, I tried not to fall off my chair when I read this, but to no avail.