First time breeding??

[YorkieShadow]

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

I just don't get how a vet could think it's safe to breed such a small dog

Thats what Im saying, she had been going to this vet a long time, and Knowing what she did she lisened to him. I would of found me another vet.and she should of known better. What was her vet thinking?

My sons ex GF also let her 6-7 month old female mate with her other pup, they had pups and luckly she and pups made it, But her vet also told her it would be ok, because she was almost 4 lbs. I was so mad, I said thats just a baby. I told her I knew she was going to let them babys mate their first heat, and she did. very sad.

[yorkiekist]

Or such a young girl!! Hope everything turns out fine.

[AVERYxo]

i am not a breeder..but even I know how risky this situation is!
PLEASE use every resource available(minus the vet/s) and make sure you OVER plan!!
there are MANY knowledgable people on this site..so soak up as much as you can from them!!
Good luck..and i wish nothing but the best for you and your little girl!

[Toby'sMama]

Originally Posted by scrapindee

What difference does that make?

Looks to me like it was in response to post #52... was very clear why it was posted.

[TinyBit]

[QUOTE=BluBabe713;1645857
I love the way you handled the situation. Instead of bashing her like many other people on here you tried to help her. I find that very caring of you. We all make mistakes or make choices in a lapse of judgment. Thanks for helping her instead of putting salt on a wound![/QUOTE]

Thank you for the information. And for the kindness. Things are being here that are very hurtful. I ask for information not a lashing.
Dawn

[TinyBit]

Originally Posted by Ladyhawk

AKC will not register a litter that is sired by a male that is under 7 months old or by a dam that is under 8 months of age (page 16, rules for registration).

My dam is AKC the sire is ACA;

If AKC says sire at 7months and dam at 8 months this must happen to other people also. Mine are at least this age.

[TinyBit]

Originally Posted by scrapindee

What difference does that make?

The breeder of the male is furious and I'm sure Dawn you will hear from her, if you haven't already. I sure hope both breeders remove their dogs/puppies. My opinion is that this was not a smart choice on your part and I hope you have a parent or adult figure in your life that is more responsible than you are.

Dawn, I'm sorry I believe you are not old enough or responsible enough to be a breeder, or a pet owner at this time. Too bad you put a little girl at risk.

First of all I PM'd both Pam and Kathy and have NOT heard from either of them. And I will NOT give up either of my dogs to the breeders. I love my dogs. I didn't get a contract from Pam even when I asked for one.

And what makes you think I'm a child????? I have two grown boys and have had pets my entire life. I think for you to judge me you should KNOW me first!

[tiggerr36792]

Originally Posted by BluBabe713

"Yes you are right you will get alot of people who will tell you this breeding should NOT have taken place. First heat cycle and 3 lb females should NOT have been bred, however they are and I will do my best to answer your questions for you to the best of my abilities.


Question 1. - You should begin counting from the first tie.

Question 2. - X-rays should be taken on or near day 55 and YES they are needed(especially under your circumstances). Your female is very small and the xray will tell you how many she is expecting, the babies size and allow you to properly see if she can even have them on her own or if a c-section should be scheduled. I would have to say most likely she will need a c-section, but your vet will determine that after the x-ray.

Question 3. - The dangers you should know are many since it is her first heat and your female isn't mature enough for this breeding. You can lose your female from this breeding and should watch her closely.

There are so many reasons this should not have taken place, however I hope I have answered your questions for you without being hurtful and negative. I wish you the best!" - tiggerr36792


I love the way you handled the situation. Instead of bashing her like many other people on here you tried to help her. I find that very caring of you. We all make mistakes or make choices in a lapse of judgment. Thanks for helping her instead of putting salt on a wound!

I do my best to be helpful in a non-hurtful way ty for noticing and your kind words! Although I do have to say allowing this female to make an attempt at whelping this litter is NOT recommended

[TinyBit]

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

those breeders should have known better than to sell to someone who has already shown sketchy breeding practices...breeding her yorkie to her sister's chihuahua to produce "chorkies" on purpose Doesn't surprise me a bit to see her breeding puppies now

Yes I breed CHORKIES! I am not sorry one bit. They are wonderful pups and all have very loving homes. And how many of you here on Yorkietalk have told me how cute "Duchess" is????

[TinyBit]

Ok now if the bashing is done...

I have set an appointment for Lacie to have xrays done between 55 and 58 days so we will know the size and number of pups. A c-section will be done if the vet finds them too large.
I have his home number as well as his cell number in case of emergercey.
I have all the items listed on the birthing web site that was suggusted here. and have another breeder (who has breed for over 15 years) near to help if needed.

If you have any other information I would love to hear it.
Thanks, Dawn

[MeganS]

OK, I'm going to try to hold my tounge here. At least a little bit.

But I do hope you realize that your baby's life is now in severe danger and she could DIE if you let her carry these puppies. Are you aware that there is a possibility that you will LOSE your dog? That's something you have to think about before you breed, ever.

I'm praying for your puppy (Because that's what she is, a puppy). I do hope all goes well with the pregnancy, if you decide to go through with it. No dog should be bread on every heat cycle, and shame on your breeder for doing that. I don't know what you, your vets, or your breeders were thinking saying its OK to breed a 3#, 9 month old baby.


And if you think this is harsh, then consider yourself lucky that I didn't say what I'm really thinking.

[tiggerr36792]

Originally Posted by TinyBit

Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Walton KS
Posts: 1,126 Advice for first time breeding.

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Ok, first off I know many of you will say I should NOT have let my pups breed. I had both checked with two local vets and talked with three breeders in my area that said it would be fine. So our story goes like this.

This was Lacie's First heat cycle(age 9 months) in a 3# female, very small be also very mature and healthly. Her mother is also 3# and used for breeding twice a year. Her sire is 3# also. Mother always has 4 pups in each litter avg. about 1.5 oz at birth and adult weight avg. 3#

Gizmo was only 7 months and I wasn't sure he'd be ready yet. He figured it out. He is bigger almost 5#. Both I believe comes from smaller parents. I got him from Pam Hinkle here on YT.

Questions: I saw tie ups from Dec. 14 - Dec. 19th. When should I begin counting days from??? the first? the Last? Between??

At what date should I be doing xrays?? Are they needed?

What other dangers Do I need to know???

I have checked out the heat cycle link and have read as much as possible. But just thought I'd ask you all that have been there for your advice also.
Thanks
Dawn
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I answered your questions in an earlier post, but I had to come back and tell you how sorry I am that your getting more negative responses then helpful ones.

Although I agree this breeding is a mistake and should never have happened, I find the most important thing right now is the healthy and safety of your female. If theres anything I can do to help you please feel free to ask me, send me a pm anytime.

Now have you considered aborting this litter?? Are you fully aware at the high risk of death your putting your female at?? Perhaps now that you have seen peoples explanation of what harm can come to your female you should seriously reconsider allowing this wehlping to take place. Well whatever your decision is ultimately it is your choice and we should be here to support you in a positive way for the well being of your girl. I hope this post becomes more helpful to you as you get more insight into the dangers you can be faced with!

[tiggerr36792]

Originally Posted by TinyBit

Ok now if the bashing is done...

I have set an appointment for Lacie to have xrays done between 55 and 58 days so we will know the size and number of pups. A c-section will be done if the vet finds them too large.
I have his home number as well as his cell number in case of emergercey.
I have all the items listed on the birthing web site that was suggusted here. and have another breeder (who has breed for over 15 years) near to help if needed.

If you have any other information I would love to hear it.
Thanks, Dawn

Here's that site :
http://www.debbiejensen.com/

It is very helpful and I suggest you do as much research as possible if you do plan on allowing your girl to have this litter!

[Gingergirlsmom]

OP, I don't know you and up until now I watched this thread and kept my thoughts to myself...I've been waiting to see how you would respond to much of the advice given here.

Here are my thoughts. We all are learning new things everyday. I have learned SO much about the care of yorkies since I got Ginger just 3 years ago. Yet I had been a pet owner my entire life. In order to learn how to be do the absolute BEST by my furkids, I needed to let go of some of my preconcieved ideas about it. I would NEVER even consider breeding unless I was prepared to devote myself entirely to learning the best, most ethical practices.

You have a great opportunity here at YT to ask advice from some experienced and dedicated breeders. Yet, it seems, you (like many others) do not wish to hear what their real opinions/advice are (such as to get a new vet and to not let this baby have puppies). Instead, you want to hear what they would do in this situation. But the reality is, they wouldn't let their dogs get into this situation in the first place. Please, consider that much of what is being said here IS the best advice.

Finally, and this is not to be mean, just to inspire thought for anyone out their considering breeding. THOUSANDS of unwanted yorkies end up in rescue each year. There are many reasons for this, but one big contributor is the number of dogs being bred. I, for one, wish that everyone would leave breeding to the serious, ethical, "doing it for the improvement of the breed" breeders.

[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by Gingergirlsmom

OP, I don't know you and up until now I watched this thread and kept my thoughts to myself...I've been waiting to see how you would respond to much of the advice given here.

Here are my thoughts. We all are learning new things everyday. I have learned SO much about the care of yorkies since I got Ginger just 3 years ago. Yet I had been a pet owner my entire life. In order to learn how to be do the absolute BEST by my furkids, I needed to let go of some of my preconcieved ideas about it. I would NEVER even consider breeding unless I was prepared to devote myself entirely to learning the best, most ethical practices.

You have a great opportunity here at YT to ask advice from some experienced and dedicated breeders. Yet, it seems, you (like many others) do not wish to hear what their real opinions/advice are (such as to get a new vet and to not let this baby have puppies). Instead, you want to hear what they would do in this situation. But the reality is, they wouldn't let their dogs get into this situation in the first place. Please, consider that much of what is being said here IS the best advice.

Finally, and this is not to be mean, just to inspire thought for anyone out their considering breeding. THOUSANDS of unwanted yorkies end up in rescue each year. There are many reasons for this, but one big contributor is the number of dogs being bred. I, for one, wish that everyone would leave breeding to the serious, ethical, "doing it for the improvement of the breed" breeders.

I agree...if less people were breeding there wouldn't be so many unwanted dogs, unhealthy dogs, and mistreated dogs. Just because you CAN breed, doesn't mean you should!