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phfgkl 02-01-2009 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 2449180)
Thank you!!
yqw, it's kind of hard to read though, without my glasses anyway

3CrazyYorkies 02-01-2009 12:08 PM
Thanks everyone for posting the pedigree info -- great information and fantastic when we can all work together.

yorkiekist 02-01-2009 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by phfgkl (Post 2449235)
yqw, it's kind of hard to read though, without my glasses anyway
lol!!:)

qraven 02-01-2009 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 3CrazyYorkies (Post 2449241)
Thanks everyone for posting the pedigree info -- great information and fantastic when we can all work together.
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Pruett 02-10-2009 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by EnchantedToi (Post 2446416)
Diana beautiful photo... and each is sporting a three colored head!:thumbup:
Hi Jan, I not trying to be difficult, but you say each is sporting a three colored head and I don't see the white in the heads of the 2 middle dogs.

Is it just the angle of the camera? They all are beautiful dogs regardless.

AprilLove 02-10-2009 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Pruett (Post 2464533)
Hi Jan, I not trying to be difficult, but you say each is sporting a three colored head and I don't see the white in the heads of the 2 middle dogs.

Is it just the angle of the camera? They all are beautiful dogs regardless.

Since I do know the photographer of this photo, I can tell you that the two middle dogs do have white on their muzzles, chins, which of course is part of the head piece. :) Yes the photo was taken in a somewhat dimly lit room. They sure are beautiful :):)

GreenwoodBiewer 02-10-2009 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Pruett (Post 2464533)
They all are beautiful dogs regardless.

Thank You Gayle, we appreciate the complements as always.

-Diana :animal-pa

Tnyorkiemom 02-10-2009 07:20 PM
Darling Von Friedheck is my Smokey's pap's lineage

Pruett 02-11-2009 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by AprilLove (Post 2464554)
Since I do know the photographer of this photo, I can tell you that the two middle dogs do have white on their muzzles, chins, which of course is part of the head piece. :) Yes the photo was taken in a somewhat dimly lit room. They sure are beautiful :):)
The reason we made it acceptable to sport 2 colors in the head is because of the appearance of the coloring in those dogs. I guess we didn't have to be so precise if that is what is considered 3 colors.

It's like explaining how to put a helmet on. You tell a person to put the helmet on the head and strap it under the chin.

Pruett 02-11-2009 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Tnyorkiemom (Post 2464953)
Darling Von Friedheck is my Smokey's pap's lineage
That's fantastic, may I see your pedigree?

Obie 02-11-2009 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Tnyorkiemom (Post 2464953)
Darling Von Friedheck is my Smokey's pap's lineage
Do you have a picture of Smokey? I too had an opportunity to purchase a Biewer that close but he was too large. Is your Smokey large?

TeahsPet 02-11-2009 05:19 AM
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The reason we made it acceptable to sport 2 colors in the head is because of the appearance of the coloring in those dogs. I guess we didn't have to be so precise if that is what is considered 3 colors.
I am somewhat confused by this post. Does this mean that if you start breeding some other anomaly you will change your 'standard' again? This seems to be more of a revolving standard instead of the normal evolving standard based on years of breeding and the normal evolution of a breed.

4lilyorks 02-11-2009 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Pruett (Post 2465203)
The reason we made it acceptable to sport 2 colors in the head is because of the appearance of the coloring in those dogs. I guess we didn't have to be so precise if that is what is considered 3 colors.

It's like explaining how to put a helmet on. You tell a person to put the helmet on the head and strap it under the chin.

That is like saying the face is not part of the head. You tell a person to wash their face. The face and the chin both make up part of the head.

The definition of chin is the lowest part of the face.

GreenwoodBiewer 02-11-2009 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Pruett (Post 2465203)
The reason we made it acceptable to sport 2 colors in the head is because of the appearance of the coloring in those dogs. I guess we didn't have to be so precise if that is what is considered 3 colors.

It's like explaining how to put a helmet on. You tell a person to put the helmet on the head and strap it under the chin.

Well, you maybe right.. if that's the only reason you went and changed the standard it was for naught as this is considered a tri colored head.

The female in the middle to the right when you look at the photo is my Cleopatra. She CAME from Germany with her Weltshconheits Champoninship, (she has since completed her bronze in the States.) Also 6 best in shows. In Germany, the standard is the tri colored head. I don't believe that the country of origin would misread their standard or not understand its content. It would seem to me that they considered the white she displays as correct.


-Diana :animal-pa

TeahsPet 02-11-2009 05:54 AM
Congrats on your babies wins! I love the little babies too...beautiful examples of the Biewer breed. You should be very proud. :)

Obie 02-11-2009 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by TeahsPet (Post 2465281)
I am somewhat confused by this post. Does this mean that if you start breeding some other anomaly you will change your 'standard' again? This seems to be more of a revolving standard instead of the normal evolving standard based on years of breeding and the normal evolution of a breed.

No, this is what you call working with a new breed. The Biewer still evolving from the original parents have thrown the two colors in the head. Many Biewer offspring with the same lines came with two colors in the head. Interesting, their offspring threw the 3 colors. You may find it surprising as you generate move offspring with different lines you will get the 2 colors in the head. It is very interesting to watch from a breeders stand point.

phfgkl 02-11-2009 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Obie (Post 2465239)
Do you have a picture of Smokey? I too had an opportunity to purchase a Biewer that close but he was too large. Is your Smokey large?
smokey is a splitter

Obie 02-11-2009 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by phfgkl (Post 2465377)
smokey is a splitter
They were and are still splitters coming out of Germany. I would still love to see a picture of him. The one I had an opportunity to buy threw the Biewer colors. He was to die for but too large.

bchgirl 02-11-2009 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Obie (Post 2465239)
Do you have a picture of Smokey? I too had an opportunity to purchase a Biewer that close but he was too large. Is your Smokey large?
Smokey's picture is in her avatar. He's the one pictured inside a car.

BamaFan121s 02-11-2009 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Obie (Post 2465349)
No, this is what you call working with a new breed. The Biewer still evolving from the original parents have thrown the two colors in the head. Many Biewer offspring with the same lines came with two colors in the head.
Well then wouldn't that just mean that they did not adhere to the standard that was set, rather than the standard should be changed to include them? :confused:

I guess the same question could be directed at the change for the required weight?

Obie 02-11-2009 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2465459)
Well then wouldn't that just mean that they did not adhere to the standard that was set, rather than the standard should be changed to include them? :confused:

I guess the same question could be directed at the change for the required weight?

No, standards always change. Breeders know that who are championing a new breed. You know that.

Obie 02-11-2009 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2465455)
Smokey's picture is in her avatar. He's the one pictured inside a car.

Thanks. He's cute. Looks like he is mad at somebody for putting that bellyband on him.

bchgirl 02-11-2009 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Obie (Post 2465392)
They were and are still splitters coming out of Germany. I would still love to see a picture of him. The one I had an opportunity to buy threw the Biewer colors. He was to die for but too large.
While it's possible to obtain biewer coloring from a splitter being bred to a biewer...the odds are still 50/50 on the results. A splitter has both dominant and recessive genes to offer in any breeding.

Obie 02-11-2009 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2465477)
While it's possible to obtain biewer coloring from a splitter being bred to a biewer...the odds are still 50/50 on the results. A splitter has both dominant and recessive genes to offer in any breeding.

Very true.

BamaFan121s 02-11-2009 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Obie (Post 2465466)
No, standards always change. Breeders know that who are championing a new breed. You know that.
What? :confused:

Sorry, maybe someone else could address that with actual coherent answer...:) (As opposed to just avoiding the question via trying to insult others.) I guess I was unaware that only those who are "championing a new breed" are intelligent enough to understand such issues.

Obie 02-11-2009 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2465625)
What? :confused:

Sorry, maybe someone else could address that with actual coherent answer...:) (As opposed to just avoiding the question via trying to insult others.) I guess I was unaware that only those who are "championing a new breed" are intelligent enough to understand such issues.
Oh, I'm sorry, I keep forgetting my audience. Ok, the Germans breed Biewers to Yorkies and they call it the Yorkshire Terrier a la pom pon. In America, most breeders are breeding Biewer to Biewer "only" and call it the Biewer a la pom pon. Does this not constitute a new breed? If not, please explain? And please don't be nasty :)

BamaFan121s 02-11-2009 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Obie (Post 2465744)
Oh, I'm sorry, I keep forgetting my audience. Ok, the Germans breed Biewers to Yorkies and they call it the Yorkshire Terrier a la pom pon. In America, most breeders are breeding Biewer to Biewer "only" and call it the Biewer a la pom pon. Does this not constitute a new breed? If not, please explain? And please don't be nasty :)
LOL...and I keep forgetting that you can't just ask a question and get a simple answer.

I am sorry, but this has absolutely NOTHING to do with the question I asked in post #470, which was in regards to changing the standard to accomodate for dogs being produced that did not adhere to the standard as it was already written.

bchgirl 02-11-2009 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Obie (Post 2465744)
Oh, I'm sorry, I keep forgetting my audience. Ok, the Germans breed Biewers to Yorkies and they call it the Yorkshire Terrier a la pom pon. In America, most breeders are breeding Biewer to Biewer "only" and call it the Biewer a la pom pon. Does this not constitute a new breed? If not, please explain? And please don't be nasty :)
While some german breeders may breed back to yorkshire terriers...biewer colored puppies produced are still called...Biewer Yorkshire Terriers a la pom pon.

The BYTC is the only US breed club which has changed the name.

Obie 02-11-2009 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2465770)
LOL...and I keep forgetting that you can't just ask a question and get a simple answer.

I am sorry, but this has absolutely NOTHING to do with the question I asked in post #470, which was in regards to changing the standard to accomodate for dogs being produced that did not adhere to the standard as it was already written.
Ok, answer to question #470. The standard was never really set if you know the real history of the Biewer Terrier. LOL

BamaFan121s 02-11-2009 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Obie (Post 2465822)
Ok, answer to question #470. The standard was never really set if you know the real history of the Biewer Terrier. LOL
Ah, I see. So those who are working with Biewer Terriers wrote the first "real" set standard then? Seeing as those dogs are relatively a new concept, makes me wonder what standard Biewers were being bred to before....hmm... I don't think that there are many who "know the real history of the Biewer Terrier", except maybe those who follow that line of thinking....;)


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