http://www.elvisyorkshireterrier.com what do you think

[cutiepieyorkies]

yes it is 2 different sites

the one in mo is selling pup's for the one in sd boy that would be a long way for a tiny baby to travel and be moved along scary thought


plus the one in sd uses paypal ? and said they would expose all that did but when i looked at there site lol and behold there's the little paypal sign

I guess there mad because someone asked for advice and it was given and maybe saved a heartache situation

and stopped a potential sale

[tiggerr36792]

Originally Posted by Susan123

That's horrible to receive pms like that.

I didn't see any untrue comments stated. Those comments were made about his public website. The smaller the babies the higher the prices. But if you're right Tigger when you say this may be this very person ? maybe making threats in these pms...now that's a bad comment.

As I said before I don't personally know Elvis Yorkshire Terriers so I cannot and will not speak of them. As far as Natalies Yorkies who I know and trust to the fullest she is a wonderful lady and has great quality puppies. I am sorry for anyone who has gotten threatening pm's as this is not something I condone nor do I think it is proper. I'm not sure who sent those, but whoever it was I can assure you it wasn't Natalie I spoke to her last night and although she was aware of this thread she was not upset in the least and feels people have aright to their opinion and her dogs speak for themselves. people who have purchased her puppies are well aware of their quality, and excellent health.

I hope this finally gets laid to rest and isn't another one of those threads that requires admin to close it.

[tiggerr36792]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

I think that the breeder that Tigger is referring to is not the same one who runs the site being discussed. If I understand that right?

Yes you are right I was speaking of Natalies Yorkies who was also brought up in this thread. She may have tiny's pictures on her website, but before ppl assume she breeds them I wish people would get the facts straight first. I personally know she has tinys and they are just her pets, this lady is a very responsible breeder and has wonderful quality dogs.

[cutiepieyorkies]

Originally Posted by tiggerr36792

Yes you are right I was speaking of Natalies Yorkies who was also brought up in this thread. She may have tiny's pictures on her website, but before ppl assume she breeds them I wish people would get the facts straight first. I personally know she has tinys and they are just her pets, this lady is a very responsible breeder and has wonderful quality dogs.

I am very confused

I looked at natalies site why would you put non breeding dog's pedigree
on you site and just state in another page these are some of the dog's i have produced and are just pet's I would take it by looking at it that
these are her breeding dog's i am not disputing you just confused

[tiggerr36792]

Originally Posted by cutiepieyorkies

I am very confused

I looked at natalies site why would you put non breeding dog's pedigree
on you site and just state in another page these are some of the dog's i have produced and are just pet's I would take it by looking at it that
these are her breeding dog's i am not disputing you just confused

I dont know why she puts their pedigrees on their to be honest and I can't speak for her. All I can say is she has several tinys that she doesnt breed and I trust her 100%. She has been breeding yorkies for along time and knows her stuff very well. I know several reputable breeders who are also YTers who have purchased her puppies for their breeding programs. I also know several AKC affiliates who have purchased dogs from her.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by tiggerr36792

She may have tiny's pictures on her website, but before ppl assume she breeds them I wish people would get the facts straight first. I personally know she has tinys and they are just her pets, this lady is a very responsible breeder and has wonderful quality dogs.

Debbie-
I don't know Natalie. The only thing(s) I know about her are derived from the information she has posted here on YT in the past. I think that some of that she has gotten some heat from, in particularly because of breeding dogs that many feel are too small to be safely bred.

Here, mom was a 4 pd dog:
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...52#post1208452

And yet again where she discussed breeding 4 and even 3.8 lb females.
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...36#post1068136

I think that these were instances where she got some heat from members and if I'm being honest, I have to say it raises questions and concerns in my mind as well as I cannot under any circumstance imagine breeding a 3.8 lb girl.

Like I said though, what she's posted is most here can base our opinions on. If you say you know her personally and these cases are not the norm and we are judging too quickly, then I respect that and believe it to be so.

[tiggerr36792]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Debbie-
I don't know Natalie. The only thing(s) I know about her are derived from the information she has posted here on YT in the past. I think that some of that she has gotten some heat from, in particularly because of breeding dogs that many feel are too small to be safely bred.

Here, mom was a 4 pd dog:
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...52#post1208452

And yet again where she discussed breeding 4 and even 3.8 lb females.
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...36#post1068136

I think that these were instances where she got some heat from members and if I'm being honest, I have to say it raises questions and concerns in my mind as well as I cannot under any circumstance imagine breeding a 3.8 lb girl.

Like I said though, what she's posted is most here can base our opinions on. If you say you know her personally and these cases are not the norm and we are judging too quickly, then I respect that and believe it to be so.

Well I do realize people are entitled to their opinions, however making general statements without full knowledge isn't proper either. I want to say that although I know and trust Natalie as both a friend and breeder we all are not perfect and i'm sure she isn't error free either. Ty for taking the time to hear my opinion about this.

I guess what had kinda made me feel the need to jump into this thread in the first place even though I try to stay out of these kinda posts is:

1. A statement was made about Evlis Yorkshire Terriers being a broker- which they are not. A broker buys and resells to another person. Natalies dogs may be pictured on his website, but the dogs stay in her posession until they are given proper homes. So comments about the dogs being sent from Nat's to Elvis is also untruthful.

2. Also comments have been made about the using the tern tiny, teacup and such- yet on the Elvis Yorkshire terrier website it states this: Elvis Yorkshire Terrier specializes in high quality Yorkies from Champion Bloodlines. The terms miniature, tiny, teacup, tea cup etc. are only adjectives describing the size of the yorkies and are not intended to imply that our Terriers are a new breed.
So as you can clearly see using words to describe is different then actually saying they are tinys or teacups IMO.


As far as Natalie being run off YT that is not the case she just doesn't like conflict and refuses to be apart of it.

Bamafan I ty for hearing me out and seeing both sides of this before making judgement!

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by tiggerr36792

Bamafan I ty for hearing me out and seeing both sides of this before making judgement!

No prob. Like I said, I respect your judgment and thank you for clearing up some of the misconceptions in regards to some of the statements made.

[Susan123]

Originally Posted by tiggerr36792

Yes you are right I was speaking of Natalies Yorkies who was also brought up in this thread. She may have tiny's pictures on her website, but before ppl assume she breeds them I wish people would get the facts straight first. I personally know she has tinys and they are just her pets, this lady is a very responsible breeder and has wonderful quality dogs.

My apologies, I sure wouldn't want to be linked with the pm guy!

On her homepage, meet my dams she has 2, 3 and 4 lbers. Breeders correct me if I'm wrong but a dam is a mother dog.

[MorkieAZ]

Originally Posted by Susan123

My apologies, I sure wouldn't want to be linked with the pm guy!

On her homepage, meet my dams she has 2, 3 and 4 lbers. Breeders correct me if I'm wrong but a dam is a mother dog.

You would be correct Susan.

I'm confused too, so which ones are the dams???

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by diva pup

I have to ask, were legal threats made ? Or just the "you better stop" type of thing?

Legal threats but we are ready.

[Sugar's Mom]

Also, to clear things up, the threatening pm's were NOT from Natalie but the Elvis person. The only reason more of you didn't get them is because he was suspended before he got to you. I tracked him on YT until 11:30 last night. he was going back and forth from this thread to private messaging. Taking names, I suppose for his "attorney"

[cutiepieyorkies]

personal opinion only

dams to me are breeding mothers again confused? I feel as if I were to advertise my puppies on another site and leaving it up to some one else to do my leg work than i am brokering my dog's but again this my opinion


what I do not understand is if you are not breeding the tinies than where do so many tiny puppies come from I breed to the standard and have never gotten but one smaller not tiny puppy

I do understand there are throw back's in the breed but I do feel that you will only get consistantly small babies from breeding of these small babies

and i feel not all small are healthy there is so many health issue's with these little guy's and even if my ch threw a tiny I would never rob someone by asking 5000 for it all my dog's are the same price year round no matter what season it is or what size I am just very confused by her site .

[cutiepieyorkies]

A search I did

The chief issue before the appeals court has been puzzling state and federal judges around the country
since the advent of the Internet: Where can plaintiffs sue if they have been libeled online?

http://www.law.com/jsp/nj/PubArticle...=1186089400890
2 of 3 8/3/2007 1:20 PM

Courts in Minnesota, Connecticut, Nevada, Pennsylvania and North Carolina Alabama, to name a few,
have ruled that the mere posting of messages on an open forum by a resident of one state read in a

second state was not sufficient to confer jurisdiction on the latter

[yorkiekist]

"not intended to imply that our terriers are a new breed" Are you, tigger, part of elvis yorkies? Just wondering as this thread is a little confusing. Seems like lots of breeders involved.

Just wondering also, how are they improving the breed if T-cups are still being bred for what looks like huge amounts of money?