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MikaTallulah · 12-10-2007, 10:45 PM

I have become friendly with a yorkie breeder in my area. I am not quite ready to add a new little one yet. She just had a litter Nov. 30th, 2007. It is a litter of three. Mom 8 pounds (cute

) and dad 5 pounds (gorgeous

). The puppies are black and tan but with white striped chests and the tips of their feet are white as well. The puppies were born at 5 oz, 5.5 oz, 8 oz. and are currently over 1 pound each. Does this seem possible? It seems like the puppies are really big for only 10 days. The puppies are cute as a button but I am hoping to purchase a yorkie female for breeding purposes. The breeder seems to be sure that the puppies will be around standard but no one can be positive. Do these puppies seem like they could be 100% purebred? The breeder showed me both parents AKC papers but it is possible that some where in the lineage a mix could have occured that the breeder does not know about. The breeder only breeds yorkies.

Ex. Breeder X breeds yorkies and s**t tzus. Breeder X breeds female 1 to male 1 both yorkies but she does not know that one of her s**t tzu got her female while she was out because husband accidently left the female unattended. So as far as Breeder X knows the puppies produced are yorkies so she registers them as such. Breeder Y buys a puppy from breeder X and know the line continues with a s**t tzu mix.

Does this make sense? I only question these puppies because there are some people on this site that have month old puppies that are barely 1 pound. Am probably over reacting but I don't want to fall for another teapot if I can help it.

MyFairLacy · 12-10-2007, 11:08 PM

1lb at 10 days seems awefully big to me..and the mom is over standard so it's possible the puppies could be on the larger side as well. These puppies are definitely not going to be tiny though..that's for sure

dray · 12-10-2007, 11:29 PM

You have questions about this breeder , why aren't you buying from someone reputable and that you can trust???

MikaTallulah · 12-10-2007, 11:35 PM

Mom is currently post-babies 8 pounds, pre babies was a little less than 7 pounds. It is not the breeder I have questions about so much as the puppies. This breeder is highly recommended. This breeder only breeds yorkie and her does are indoor/fenced in backyard only dogs. 1 pound seems big to me and the color is off on the puppies. I just really want to know if black, tan, and white are semi-commonly found on yorkie pups. Mom's previous little was 6 and the puppies were much smaller according to the breeder and pictures she showed me.

dray · 12-10-2007, 11:48 PM

All yorkie puppies are supposed to be born Black and Tan and it is not uncommon to have a very small amount of white on them, either on the chest and sometimes on the toes.

MikaTallulah · 12-10-2007, 11:53 PM

So coloration currently is acceptable what about size 1 pound at 10 days? Over thinking it I know but would rather be safe than sorry.

BamaFan121s · 12-11-2007, 05:46 AM

8 pounds post puppies is not that big. However, you can't judge size based just on the size of the dam and sire, you have to consider the size further back within the lineage as well. 1 pound at 10 days does seem a bit on the larger size. It doesn't necessarily mean there is mixing somewhere down the line though...it could just mean that they are larger Yorkies. (Of course, a mix thrown in there is ALWAYS a possibility.) And yes, the coloring is normal.
I agree though that if you don't feel like you can completely trust the breeder, don't get the pup.

dray · 12-11-2007, 06:23 AM

You will be able to tell more when the puppies are 8 weeks old and again when they reach 12 weeks, but still puppies can get very big and then stop growing. But some puppies can be 3 pounds at 12 weeks and then keep on growing to be 7 or 8 pounds or even bigger. With this breed there are no guarantees, if you want a guarantee you will need to buy from a reputable breeder. Or you could buy an adult female so you can be sure of the size.

Do you plan to show and finish this girl before you breed her?

kosoma · 12-11-2007, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by dray

You will be able to tell more when the puppies are 8 weeks old and again when they reach 12 weeks, but still puppies can get very big and then stop growing. But some puppies can be 3 pounds at 12 weeks and then keep on growing to be 7 or 8 pounds or even bigger. With this breed there are no guarantees, if you want a guarantee you will need to buy from a reputable breeder. Or you could buy an adult female so you can be sure of the size.

Do you plan to show and finish this girl before you breed her?

Even reputable breeders can't absolutely guarantee the size of a puppy. I know you probably meant that they will know the lineage of your puppy, so will have a better idea of what size it will be. I totally agree with you--it is the best way to give the most knowledgeable estimate. But there is no way to be 100% sure, except to purchase an adult, as you suggested.

Please know that I'm not trying to be nit-picky, just wanted to clarify.

kosoma · 12-11-2007, 07:10 AM

I just realized that maybe you mean that some breeders are confident enough that they can afford to offer a guarantee on size? Although I have never seen this, I realize it is a possibility.

Sorry if I misunderstood.

Mardelin · 12-11-2007, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by kosoma

I just realized that maybe you mean that some breeders are confident enough that they can afford to offer a guarantee on size? Although I have never seen this, I realize it is a possibility.

Sorry if I misunderstood.

Yes you can guesstimate..but, not guarantee....

On the pups....to absolutely identify parentage....their is a DNA that can performed on the sire and pups.

dray · 12-11-2007, 07:26 AM

If you are buying a show quality dog, the dog needs to stay with in the standard that is where the reputable breeder comes in to play. But if you are just buying something to breed, most of the time you do not get these dogs from reputable breeders , as most of the good breeders that care about the breed, their dogs go out on a spay and neuter contract not for just breeding.

bdbmamaw · 12-11-2007, 07:34 AM

I have DNA Certification on my male and female yorkie, so that if there were a question on who the mom and dad are, I can provide proof. No-one has every questioned me to this day, but you never know. I also have DNA certification on my other yorkies, even though I don't breed them. It just gives me an extra measure of security, because I can prove, without a doubt, who my babies are.

BamaFan121s · 12-11-2007, 07:38 AM

I understand what Debbie (and Mardelin) mean regarding size guarantees. When you run accross a breeder who has spent years and years (as in 15, 20, more, not as in 1 or 2 yrs) breeding, studying Yorkies and developing a strong line...they have a trained eye that can estimate what their dogs are producing and are able to estimate things, weight included, pretty accurately.

I also agree w/ Debbie on another point. Any breeder who is truly dedicated to their program will not be so willing to just turn over one of their dogs for breeding...if you find one willing to do so, I would question if the dog will in fact be a quality specimen that should be bred.

Mardelin · 12-11-2007, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

I understand what Debbie (and Mardelin) mean regarding size guarantees. When you run accross a breeder who has spent years and years (as in 15, 20, more, not as in 1 or 2 yrs) breeding, studying Yorkies and developing a strong line...they have a trained eye that can estimate what their dogs are producing and are able to estimate things, weight included, pretty accurately.

I also agree w/ Debbie on another point. Any breeder who is truly dedicated to their program will not be so willing to just turn over one of their dogs for breeding...if you find one willing to do so, I would question if the dog will in fact be a quality specimen that should be bred.

I don't know if I missed something.....but, I didn't see where purchasing a breeding dog was the original posters question. But, to add.....if one is looking for a show/breeding (pretty much one in the same) dog...one wouldn't purchase one until approximately 6 - 8 months or older....waiting until then would give you more of a guarantee as to whether the dog meets the standard.

Debbie is right....reputable breeders do not readily let go of their dogs on an open registration to anyone with the asking price.

12-10-2007, 10:45 PM	#1
MikaTallulah YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NJ Posts: 1,812	Weight question I have become friendly with a yorkie breeder in my area. I am not quite ready to add a new little one yet. She just had a litter Nov. 30th, 2007. It is a litter of three. Mom 8 pounds (cute ) and dad 5 pounds (gorgeous ). The puppies are black and tan but with white striped chests and the tips of their feet are white as well. The puppies were born at 5 oz, 5.5 oz, 8 oz. and are currently over 1 pound each. Does this seem possible? It seems like the puppies are really big for only 10 days. The puppies are cute as a button but I am hoping to purchase a yorkie female for breeding purposes. The breeder seems to be sure that the puppies will be around standard but no one can be positive. Do these puppies seem like they could be 100% purebred? The breeder showed me both parents AKC papers but it is possible that some where in the lineage a mix could have occured that the breeder does not know about. The breeder only breeds yorkies. Ex. Breeder X breeds yorkies and st tzus. Breeder X breeds female 1 to male 1 both yorkies but she does not know that one of her st tzu got her female while she was out because husband accidently left the female unattended. So as far as Breeder X knows the puppies produced are yorkies so she registers them as such. Breeder Y buys a puppy from breeder X and know the line continues with a s**t tzu mix. Does this make sense? I only question these puppies because there are some people on this site that have month old puppies that are barely 1 pound. Am probably over reacting but I don't want to fall for another teapot if I can help it. __________________ Beware of Nestle Purina Cozy (4/06), Roxy & Zoey (2/08), Lucy (4/09); Buddy 4/09- Rescued 12/11); Mika ('98) & Tallulah ('00) RIP Harley 4/2009; Lucky 11/2010; Zoey 4/2012

12-10-2007, 11:08 PM	#2
MyFairLacy Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 11,003	1lb at 10 days seems awefully big to me..and the mom is over standard so it's possible the puppies could be on the larger side as well. These puppies are definitely not going to be tiny though..that's for sure __________________ ~Magnifique Yorkies~ Purchasing from backyard breeders, pet shops, and puppymills perpetuates the suffering of other dogs. Educate yourself and buy from reputable breeders or rescue.

12-10-2007, 11:35 PM	#4
MikaTallulah YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NJ Posts: 1,812	Mom is currently post-babies 8 pounds, pre babies was a little less than 7 pounds. It is not the breeder I have questions about so much as the puppies. This breeder is highly recommended. This breeder only breeds yorkie and her does are indoor/fenced in backyard only dogs. 1 pound seems big to me and the color is off on the puppies. I just really want to know if black, tan, and white are semi-commonly found on yorkie pups. Mom's previous little was 6 and the puppies were much smaller according to the breeder and pictures she showed me. __________________ Beware of Nestle Purina Cozy (4/06), Roxy & Zoey (2/08), Lucy (4/09); Buddy 4/09- Rescued 12/11); Mika ('98) & Tallulah ('00) RIP Harley 4/2009; Lucky 11/2010; Zoey 4/2012

12-10-2007, 11:53 PM	#6
MikaTallulah YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NJ Posts: 1,812	So coloration currently is acceptable what about size 1 pound at 10 days? Over thinking it I know but would rather be safe than sorry. __________________ Beware of Nestle Purina Cozy (4/06), Roxy & Zoey (2/08), Lucy (4/09); Buddy 4/09- Rescued 12/11); Mika ('98) & Tallulah ('00) RIP Harley 4/2009; Lucky 11/2010; Zoey 4/2012

12-11-2007, 07:34 AM	#13
bdbmamaw Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 883	I have DNA Certification on my male and female yorkie, so that if there were a question on who the mom and dad are, I can provide proof. No-one has every questioned me to this day, but you never know. I also have DNA certification on my other yorkies, even though I don't breed them. It just gives me an extra measure of security, because I can prove, without a doubt, who my babies are. __________________ MYLAN CONNOR PIXIE KERA SAMMIE

12-10-2007, 11:29 PM	#3
dray Donating YT Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Silverton Oregon Posts: 1,123	You have questions about this breeder , why aren't you buying from someone reputable and that you can trust???

12-10-2007, 11:48 PM	#5
dray Donating YT Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Silverton Oregon Posts: 1,123	All yorkie puppies are supposed to be born Black and Tan and it is not uncommon to have a very small amount of white on them, either on the chest and sometimes on the toes.

12-11-2007, 05:46 AM	#7
BamaFan121s Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 11,432	8 pounds post puppies is not that big. However, you can't judge size based just on the size of the dam and sire, you have to consider the size further back within the lineage as well. 1 pound at 10 days does seem a bit on the larger size. It doesn't necessarily mean there is mixing somewhere down the line though...it could just mean that they are larger Yorkies. (Of course, a mix thrown in there is ALWAYS a possibility.) And yes, the coloring is normal. I agree though that if you don't feel like you can completely trust the breeder, don't get the pup.

12-11-2007, 06:23 AM	#8
dray Donating YT Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Silverton Oregon Posts: 1,123	You will be able to tell more when the puppies are 8 weeks old and again when they reach 12 weeks, but still puppies can get very big and then stop growing. But some puppies can be 3 pounds at 12 weeks and then keep on growing to be 7 or 8 pounds or even bigger. With this breed there are no guarantees, if you want a guarantee you will need to buy from a reputable breeder. Or you could buy an adult female so you can be sure of the size. Do you plan to show and finish this girl before you breed her?

12-11-2007, 07:10 AM	#10
kosoma Inactive Account Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 157	I just realized that maybe you mean that some breeders are confident enough that they can afford to offer a guarantee on size? Although I have never seen this, I realize it is a possibility. Sorry if I misunderstood.

12-11-2007, 07:26 AM	#12
dray Donating YT Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Silverton Oregon Posts: 1,123	If you are buying a show quality dog, the dog needs to stay with in the standard that is where the reputable breeder comes in to play. But if you are just buying something to breed, most of the time you do not get these dogs from reputable breeders , as most of the good breeders that care about the breed, their dogs go out on a spay and neuter contract not for just breeding.

12-11-2007, 07:38 AM	#14
BamaFan121s Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 11,432	I understand what Debbie (and Mardelin) mean regarding size guarantees. When you run accross a breeder who has spent years and years (as in 15, 20, more, not as in 1 or 2 yrs) breeding, studying Yorkies and developing a strong line...they have a trained eye that can estimate what their dogs are producing and are able to estimate things, weight included, pretty accurately. I also agree w/ Debbie on another point. Any breeder who is truly dedicated to their program will not be so willing to just turn over one of their dogs for breeding...if you find one willing to do so, I would question if the dog will in fact be a quality specimen that should be bred.