Weight question

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

I don't know if I missed something.....but, I didn't see where purchasing a breeding dog was the original posters question.

The puppies are cute as a button but I am hoping to purchase a yorkie female for breeding purposes.

I was just adding to what dray said---original question aside, she made good points.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

The puppies are cute as a button but I am hoping to purchase a yorkie female for breeding purposes.

I was just adding to what dray said---original question aside, she made good points.

Thanks Bama...I knew super slueth would tell me where I'd missed it....these ole eyes are getting bad.

Thanks

[feminvstr]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

I don't know if I missed something.....but, I didn't see where purchasing a breeding dog was the original posters question. But, to add.....if one is looking for a show/breeding (pretty much one in the same) dog...one wouldn't purchase one until approximately 6 - 8 months or older....waiting until then would give you more of a guarantee as to whether the dog meets the standard.

Debbie is right....reputable breeders do not readily let go of their dogs on an open registration to anyone with the asking price.

I had purchased two studs/show prospects, both went way over standard...first was 4 months, he matured to 13 lbs (placed in a pet home) the second 8 weeks old he matured to 14 lbs (placed in a pet home).

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

I had purchased two studs/show prospects, both went way over standard...first was 4 months, he matured to 13 lbs (placed in a pet home) the second 8 weeks old he matured to 14 lbs (placed in a pet home).

When doing research on purchasing my first show dog I was given some advice by several reputable show breeders.

1. Know your beeder, you are purchasing a relationship/mentor, not only a show dog. (This one should be taken to heart even when purchasing a pet)

2. When purchasing a show/breeding dog, purchase a dog with a minimum of 10 generations unbroken champions in the pedigree... Gives you an idea that the breeder has put blood, sweat and tears into their breeding program and knows their line and what they have brought into the program, inside and out.

3. These people will stand behind their program and will take a dog back if it somehow doesn't work out. The dog goes over size later on....doesn't have what it takes (attitude) for the ring.

4. Don't purchase a show/breeding dog until their are at least 6 or + months of age.

5. Reputable breeders don't readily let go of their show/breeders on open registration. And won't place a show/breeding dog unless they would keep it in their own kennel. After all it's their reputation on the line....so, they are very particular on what they place as a show/breeding quality dog.

6. Don't buy a show dog from a breeder unless they have shown and championed dogs.....

This advice was given to me as a newbie and it has worked for me....other's may not agree with it and may have gone a different route that has worked for them....

[feminvstr]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

8 pounds post puppies is not that big. However, you can't judge size based just on the size of the dam and sire, you have to consider the size further back within the lineage as well. 1 pound at 10 days does seem a bit on the larger size. It doesn't necessarily mean there is mixing somewhere down the line though...it could just mean that they are larger Yorkies. (Of course, a mix thrown in there is ALWAYS a possibility.) And yes, the coloring is normal.
I agree though that if you don't feel like you can completely trust the breeder, don't get the pup.

you are right about the lineage...a reputable breeder will know past generations and what theyve produced the closer the breeding the better the chance a total outcross will be a crap shoot.

dam/sire is 50% of the puppy
grand dam/sire influence is 25%
great grand dam/sire influence 12.5%

The only time a dog has more of a contributing factor is when you see it in the pedigree several times.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

you are right about the lineage...a reputable breeder will know past generations and what theyve produced the closer the breeding the better the chance a total outcross will be a crap shoot.

dam/sire is 50% of the puppy
grand dam/sire influence is 25%
great grand dam/sire influence 12.5%

The only time a dog has more of a contributing factor is when you see it in the pedigree several times.

Great post K and anyone that has studied canine genetics understands this formula.....alot of breeders don't and are just buying a dog with some famous kennel on the pedigree several generations back just to fool the unsuspecting public.....

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Great post K and anyone that has studied canine genetics understands this formula.....alot of breeders don't and are just buying a dog with some famous kennel on the pedigree several generations back just to fool the unsuspecting public.....

It always baffles me when people advertise their pups as having CH lineage...and the CH are 4 or 5 gens back... The CH genetics are quite diluted at that point--and who knows what went on in the middle of the 4/5 gen past CH and the present.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Great post K and anyone that has studied canine genetics understands this formula.....alot of breeders don't and are just buying a dog with some famous kennel on the pedigree several generations back just to fool the unsuspecting public.....

Let me add to this post.

I do know of a breeder that attempted to sell a show dog to a person. The breeder knew nothing about the person. And during their one and only phone conversation was going to immediately put a 10 week old pup on the plane to her....In my opinion this person was only interested in $$$$ not in her pups .

[Yorkiekids]

It is really hard to find breeders who will sell their pups for breeding purposes. Also the white if it's a lot may be from a piebald gene.

[MikaTallulah]

This is a reputable breeder who actively shows her dogs. Both parents are champions. She breed the father herself and knows his lines extensively. The mother is a new line that she is hoping to expand her breeding program with. If she does not keep one of the female puppies herself but still finds her worth of breeding she will only sell her with a must show understanding. She said that if the puppies stay pie colored or she feels will not add to the breed, she will sell only with spay/neuter contract i.e. no snip = no papers. The females lines are new to her so she can not predict the puppies with absolute certainity but who really can.

Even if I do purchase a puppy from this breeder it will be 2-3 years before I can breed because I would want her to be proven.

I was just asking a question about the puppies large size. The breeder said that the puppies may balance out in the end but I should not panic myself over it.

I tend to overanalyze.

[011011]

I would not panic about their size yet.Usually they double their birth weight in the first week, you really cannot tell on some of them and some you can see it from birth that they will be smaller.
One of ours that we had to bottle feed was 2 oz at birth ,I knew he would stay small his feet were tiny etc.He is about 2 1/2 pounds at 8 months now.
We had 3 tiny ones 2 med size and a large one who is 5 pounds at 8 months.So all different sizes.

[feminvstr]

Originally Posted by MikaTallulah

This is a reputable breeder who actively shows her dogs. Both parents are champions. She breed the father herself and knows his lines extensively. The mother is a new line that she is hoping to expand her breeding program with. If she does not keep one of the female puppies herself but still finds her worth of breeding she will only sell her with a must show understanding. She said that if the puppies stay pie colored or she feels will not add to the breed, she will sell only with spay/neuter contract i.e. no snip = no papers. The females lines are new to her so she can not predict the puppies with absolute certainity but who really can.

Even if I do purchase a puppy from this breeder it will be 2-3 years before I can breed because I would want her to be proven.

I was just asking a question about the puppies large size. The breeder said that the puppies may balance out in the end but I should not panic myself over it.

I tend to overanalyze.

Even if I do purchase a puppy from this breeder it will be 2-3 years before I can breed because I would want her to be proven. can you please explain what you mean by proving your female??

[MikaTallulah]

By proven I mean that she demonstrates the characteristic a yorkie should have and hopefully earn some level of recognization in the dog show world. That is what I mean by proven. Sorry for any confusion.