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YorkieRose · 06-29-2005, 07:49 PM

I am going to be a snob on this one...yes, it can produce beautiful pups..but the pedigree has gone from champion to pet in 3 generations...I am not saying a non-champion cannot be beautiful, but it is unlikely they are the best of the best now.

Yorkville · 06-29-2005, 07:51 PM

I'm not sure what I would do without this forum! Thanks so much for the help, I really appreciate it.
So I am emailing the breeder right now and I will ask for vet references and if I can speak to the vet regarding inbreeding. (She did email me the other day saying the pup has just been in for it's first shots and checked out okay) If I'm not satisfied I will ask for the deposit back seeing as how I could not have found this information without getting the parents AKC #'s (which were on my reciept I got in the mail today)
The breeder so far has been very good about providing information for me when I need it so hopefully getting this info will not be a problem either.

One other question. If the breeder has taken the dog to the vet and it did check out okay can I assume it is free of livershunts etc...?

txshopper73 · 06-29-2005, 07:52 PM

No, vets do not automatically test for a liver shunt...at least not in my area. There is fasting in this type of testing. You have to request to have this testing done.

YorkieRose · 06-29-2005, 08:02 PM

Unfortunely, no..a check means almost nothing regarding many genetic problems. A puppy check tells the vet if the pups have worms, fleas, ear mites, hernia's, bad knees..all the easy to fix stuff. GENETIC PROBLEMS are not readily seen by a simple well puppy check up. It takes time for many things to show up. Liver shunt needs a bile acid test for a starter.
What I see most from breeders who breed too close is neurological problems within about 2 yrs. They may never happen..this pup can be perfectly fine for a life time..all I am saying is..inbreeding is risky..I have bred for 33 yrs and have tried it all...I get the best and healthiest by linebreeding. JMO

Yorkville · 06-29-2005, 08:23 PM

Okay, so I know I may be grabbing at short straws here but I'm double, triple checking the pedigrees.
This is the weird part.
On the Dam's pedigree it says next to "breeder" my breeders name
On the Sire's pedigree it says next to "breeder" 2 people of which neither is my breeder.
Isn't that strange?

feminvstr · 06-29-2005, 08:38 PM

it seems she didnt own her stud, thats all!

LvMyYorki · 06-29-2005, 09:31 PM

Please let us know what your breeder said? I am really curious how this all turns out.

YorkieRose · 06-30-2005, 02:44 AM

Kimberly is right..no problem with that aspect of the pedigree. The breeder no doubt used someone else's stud..done all the time.

Yorkville · 06-30-2005, 07:18 AM

Oh okay.
Thanks guys!
I haven't heard from my breeder yet, but as soon as I do I will post again.

LvMyYorki · 06-30-2005, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Yorkville

Oh okay.
Thanks guys!
I haven't heard from my breeder yet, but as soon as I do I will post again.

Yorkville- I just wanted to say that I think its great that you are taking the time to research and look at the pedigrees and ask questions of the very experienced breeders on the site. I wish you the best of luck on this... I would just be leery of the inbreeding issue too.... from what I have heard it can definitely pull out every the skeleton in the closet of that particular line. Keep us posted!

Yorkville · 06-30-2005, 08:48 AM

Thanks LvMyYorki!

I've been researching for about 2 years now. After everything I had learned from this site I did realize how important getting a reputable breeder was. I have been hounding a breeder in PA (Edgewood Yorkies) Maybe some of you have heard of it. I have followed this breeder for several months (she does alot of shows) I really want to get a puppy from her but it just hasn't worked out yet. Then I heard from the breeder of this puppy in question who seemed very nice and I decided to go with her. But now I think I will change my mind and wait for an Edgewood yorkie.

LvMyYorki · 06-30-2005, 08:54 AM

I did the same thing... I really wanted a Yorkie from the show breeder I got Bunny from and just had to keep waiting and waiting for "my puppy" to appear in one of the litters... I too waited for months, but it was totally worth it! I had picked two other little girls before Bunny but wasnt able to get the other two bc of size issues or they were going to be for breeding/ show. Its hard to get a girl from a show breeder unless the female is going to be too small to breed. Are you getting a male or female?

Yorkville · 06-30-2005, 09:03 AM

I always tell the breeder the sex of the dog is no big deal. But deep down I think I want a boy most, which usually works out because they seem to be more available

Diego · 06-30-2005, 09:24 AM

Actually , I am looking for a puppy too . As I always said no matter if it is a boy or a girl , I want a healthy puppy .

MoGraceLiz · 06-30-2005, 09:49 AM

I PM'd you.

06-29-2005, 07:49 PM	#16
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	pedigree I am going to be a snob on this one...yes, it can produce beautiful pups..but the pedigree has gone from champion to pet in 3 generations...I am not saying a non-champion cannot be beautiful, but it is unlikely they are the best of the best now.

06-29-2005, 07:52 PM	#18
txshopper73 Donating YT 14K Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 14,226 Blog Entries: 1	No, vets do not automatically test for a liver shunt...at least not in my area. There is fasting in this type of testing. You have to request to have this testing done. __________________ As always...JMO (Just My Opinion) Kimberley

06-29-2005, 08:02 PM	#19
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	pup Unfortunely, no..a check means almost nothing regarding many genetic problems. A puppy check tells the vet if the pups have worms, fleas, ear mites, hernia's, bad knees..all the easy to fix stuff. GENETIC PROBLEMS are not readily seen by a simple well puppy check up. It takes time for many things to show up. Liver shunt needs a bile acid test for a starter. What I see most from breeders who breed too close is neurological problems within about 2 yrs. They may never happen..this pup can be perfectly fine for a life time..all I am saying is..inbreeding is risky..I have bred for 33 yrs and have tried it all...I get the best and healthiest by linebreeding. JMO

06-29-2005, 08:38 PM	#21
feminvstr Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 4,405	it seems she didnt own her stud, thats all! __________________ Kimberly

06-29-2005, 09:31 PM	#22
LvMyYorki Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Asheville, NC Posts: 1,181	Please let us know what your breeder said? I am really curious how this all turns out. __________________ Tara, Tino & Diva Bunny Diva Bunny: http://www.dogster.com/?141104 Rudolph Valentino: http://www.dogster.com/?76963

06-29-2005, 07:51 PM	#17
Yorkville Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 31	I'm not sure what I would do without this forum! Thanks so much for the help, I really appreciate it. So I am emailing the breeder right now and I will ask for vet references and if I can speak to the vet regarding inbreeding. (She did email me the other day saying the pup has just been in for it's first shots and checked out okay) If I'm not satisfied I will ask for the deposit back seeing as how I could not have found this information without getting the parents AKC #'s (which were on my reciept I got in the mail today) The breeder so far has been very good about providing information for me when I need it so hopefully getting this info will not be a problem either. One other question. If the breeder has taken the dog to the vet and it did check out okay can I assume it is free of livershunts etc...?

06-29-2005, 08:23 PM	#20
Yorkville Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 31	Okay, so I know I may be grabbing at short straws here but I'm double, triple checking the pedigrees. This is the weird part. On the Dam's pedigree it says next to "breeder" my breeders name On the Sire's pedigree it says next to "breeder" 2 people of which neither is my breeder. Isn't that strange?

06-30-2005, 02:44 AM	#23
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	pup Kimberly is right..no problem with that aspect of the pedigree. The breeder no doubt used someone else's stud..done all the time.

06-30-2005, 07:18 AM	#24
Yorkville Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 31	Oh okay. Thanks guys! I haven't heard from my breeder yet, but as soon as I do I will post again.

06-30-2005, 08:48 AM	#26
Yorkville Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 31	Thanks LvMyYorki! I've been researching for about 2 years now. After everything I had learned from this site I did realize how important getting a reputable breeder was. I have been hounding a breeder in PA (Edgewood Yorkies) Maybe some of you have heard of it. I have followed this breeder for several months (she does alot of shows) I really want to get a puppy from her but it just hasn't worked out yet. Then I heard from the breeder of this puppy in question who seemed very nice and I decided to go with her. But now I think I will change my mind and wait for an Edgewood yorkie.

06-30-2005, 08:54 AM	#27
LvMyYorki Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Asheville, NC Posts: 1,181	I did the same thing... I really wanted a Yorkie from the show breeder I got Bunny from and just had to keep waiting and waiting for "my puppy" to appear in one of the litters... I too waited for months, but it was totally worth it! I had picked two other little girls before Bunny but wasnt able to get the other two bc of size issues or they were going to be for breeding/ show. Its hard to get a girl from a show breeder unless the female is going to be too small to breed. Are you getting a male or female? __________________ Tara, Tino & Diva Bunny Diva Bunny: http://www.dogster.com/?141104 Rudolph Valentino: http://www.dogster.com/?76963

06-30-2005, 09:03 AM	#28
Yorkville Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 31	I always tell the breeder the sex of the dog is no big deal. But deep down I think I want a boy most, which usually works out because they seem to be more available

06-30-2005, 09:24 AM	#29
Diego Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 3,617	Actually , I am looking for a puppy too . As I always said no matter if it is a boy or a girl , I want a healthy puppy .

06-30-2005, 09:49 AM	#30
MoGraceLiz Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Western NY Posts: 225	I PM'd you. __________________ Navy Mom Kim