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02-08-2015, 11:35 PM | #1 |
YT 500 Club Member | Groomers nightmare So I took Toby to get groomed today. I go to a woman I know through a friend. She has always done an excellent job. And now I know I am paying her far less than she deserves. Because today I stayed around for it and saw and endured first hand what a s**t my son is. Mind you, I play with Toby's feet, and he doesn't snap at me or pull away. I wash and blow dry him and while he isn't too excited about it he deals with it ok. So it's not like he's completely new to the process. But I guess he got sap imbedded in his pads and it started matting up. I saw that and how violently he reacted to her touching his feet and I offered to try and keep him calm for her. But it didn't work. He wouldn't calm. At all. And by that I mean snarling , scratching, snapping, biting, growling, vicious. I had to leave to get a muzzle because he stopped caring who's hand he was sinking into. But I got the wrong size. Brilliant. We managed to bathe him and get alcohol and get the majority of the sap off of him, and while sudsy and wet he was almost bearable. But the moment we took him out of the water he turned into a possessed snarling demon child out for blood. She has been grooming for twelve years and says some dogs just never get used to being groomed. She's hoping he will but he doesn't stop freaking out long enough to realize that it isn't a threat to him. We would break to let him calm down and chill out, and the second he hit the floor he was happy go lucky kissing us both and sweet as pie. The minute we picked him back up he was possessed again. It was ugly. But necessary. And you should see my arms and neck right now. I look like I was attacked with razor blades and I have deep long cuts that are swollen and red hours later. I felt horrible for his behavior and horrible for him for being so fearful. And I was there. Nothing she did was careless or too abrupt . She wasn't rough with him or anything. But it was like I opened up a can of psycho and unleashed it upon her. She charged $40, I paid her $75 and we left. Somehow she did manage to get him looking pretty damn good before I gave up and said **** it. And as soon as it was over he was happy happy happy like a Tri Polar psychotic with Alzheimer's . If I were her I would have asked not to bring him back again. But she just smiled and said hopefully he'll come around with time. I was ready to rip my hair out . |
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02-09-2015, 02:48 AM | #2 |
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| This made me laugh!! I can just imagine the whole scene! |
02-09-2015, 06:00 AM | #3 |
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| Do you think his bad behavior was because mommy was there? I once tried to stay with Cody's 2nd grooming (upon groomers invite) He was very naughty, kept looking at me begging to save him. I had to leave. He's a bit better if I'm not there but he still tries to bite his groomer, and he HATES his feet being touched, even by me. Sometime they are really bad when they know mommy is there. Just a thought
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02-09-2015, 09:08 AM | #4 |
YT 1000 Club Member | Hahahahah I'm sorry but that is so "yorkie"' it's one thing when mom and dad do things but completely different when others do it. That is why Rasta has to be groomed at home or at his breeders(who he barely tolerates). How old is Toby? It may get better with time. |
02-09-2015, 09:48 AM | #5 | |
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02-09-2015, 10:51 AM | #6 |
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| "Tri Polar psychotic with Alzheimer's". Now that's an interesting description. LOL .
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02-10-2015, 05:20 AM | #7 |
YT 500 Club Member | Toby is 8 1/2 months. And she said he acted just the same the time before when I wasn't there. He was probably in pain from the sap between his toes, and once we managed to get most of it off, he was so worked up he wouldn't give for even a minute to realize we weren't hurting him. He was stuck in full throttle psycho mode. Spent the rest of the day all jumpy if anyone touched him. I'm gonna have to do an alcohol soak on his feet tomorrow somehow to get the tiny bit of sap we couldn't get to yesterday. We'll see if he's as hateful then. Maybe I'll just have to start sedating him before grooming. Only problem there is that when his leg was healing from a tear we tried Valium , seraqil, trazadone, and benedryl and I could swear they all just amped him up. Only thing that had any effect on him was the pain pills that izzy was given after she was spayed. And he still got amped up for a spell before he settled down. He's like a prime example for an ADD prescription commercial. |
02-15-2015, 08:29 PM | #8 |
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| How awful for you all. Your groomer sounds like a keeper though. |
02-15-2015, 08:40 PM | #9 |
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| I wish I lived near you because I would ask for her info lol. One of my dogs is a lot like yours was but she does it EVERY time she is groomed. I wouldn't dare take her to a professional groomer, I would be too embarrassed. |
02-16-2015, 01:09 PM | #10 |
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| My Bella was this bad...absolutely hated it! I tried staying to help and it was literally like a work out, except worse because it was stressful also. The groomer really tried patiently but actually told me she thought I should take her to a vet and have her sedated and groomed. That wasn't an option for me so I found the worlds best groomer. She started out taking Bella all day and working on her a few minutes at a time throughout the day so it was easier on bella and less stressful. After about 3 times doing this she trusted her and let her do it normally. She was a blessing for us...I hope you find someone who is willing to "condition" your dog into the process!
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02-16-2015, 01:11 PM | #11 |
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| Or maybe I should say rather...I hope your groomer is able to condition him as it sounds like she is being patient and willing to continue trying!
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02-16-2015, 02:30 PM | #12 |
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| Poor Toby - he's had a bad, scary week as far as he's concerned! He's not a bad son - he's a scared, tense dog who felt he had good reason to fight and act out. He likely sensed your disapproving, rather than understanding, attitude during his stress also. I myself am a little concerned about your lack of concern for him during that episode. Try to see it if you were a tiny thing as he is, very young for a dog and your mommy began to dig and pull at your sore feet with another person, hold you down, get mad at you for reacting out of fear and you would try to get away, bite or hurt that person until you could get free and run off - it's called fight or flight. Sounds like he was scared to death, his pawpads were probably burning from the alcohol, maybe from splits in them or the skin in between his pads. There could have been irritation and maybe raw spots from the sap or drying out of his pads. Plus, pulling the sap out pulled on his delicate toe skin and tiny foot hairs and that hurts, probably scared him to the max, as he's already been pretty tense at home, no doubt. I'll bet he was stressed to the max from the situation he suddenly found himself in, wondering why you all were doing those awful things to his feet, as well as possibly suffering from no small amount of pain and as far as he was concerned, was fighting for his life. Most dogs would react just like Toby did under the same circumstances unless they are totally trusting of the people working on them and then it still would have been unpleasant, requiring special handling and methods to help the dog through the stressful, likely painful, session. Probably a vet should have seen him first. No doubt it would have been better if you could have gotten a vet to medicate him to help him deal with the stress and pain to save all that he suffered - it sounds brutal from the way you describe your injuries. He really fought for his life. You can just imagine what he was thinking in his little mind. That poor baby could really dread the next time he goes to that shop if you don't desensitize him to it with a few highly-treated(by the groomer) short and sweet, pleasant visits - quick ins and outs with nothing scary or painful happening and then lots of praise and treats from you after the visit is over. Taking time-outs was good as a dog can get so stressed their heart beats ultra fast and they can go into shock from stress. I like to wrap a dog having a hissy fit(after I check his gums to be sure they aren't pale or tacky) in a tight, microwave-warmed towel or blanket, being sure his head and eyes are covered, remove him from the immediate area of stress, hold him quietly without any talking to him as a I chat with anyone else around or walk slowly about, just using body warmth, pressure and touching until he calms down and then put him down, begin to distract him by taking him outside for a pee/play session, get him some water and a very few treats(his tummy could be too tense to take in much food)/toys, tossing his ball or take a short 20 foot walk and back - just to get his mind on anything else. Maybe put some salve, Neosporin, etc. or something on his pawpads in case the sap, hair-pulling or alcohol irritated his little pawpads or skin between the toes and check them frequently over the next few days just to be sure they are okay. Sometimes the cooler weather or lots of pavement walking dries paws out so they form tiny cracks you can't see and alcohol really burns if it gets down under the surface. Just try to put yourself in Toby's paws and rethink what happened and be a little more understanding of how he viewed the whole scene and you. You've got some trust to earn back, girl.
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03-07-2015, 02:52 PM | #13 |
YT 1000 Club Member | This sounds like my Teek when I attempted to brush his teeth. He lets us bathe him, trim nails, comb him, trim hair and put his topknot in. No problems. He is calm as can be. I can do anything to that little guy... except brush his teeth. I think I have scars from it. My daughter and I do everything like that and I was holding him while she attempted to brush his teeth with a dog toothbrush and dog toothpaste. He apparently thought we were trying to kill him because he suddenly was fighting for his life and WOW did I get the worst of it. As soon as we were finished and I let him go he was totally cool again. I picked him up just a few minutes later and he was his normal loving self.
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03-07-2015, 05:23 PM | #14 |
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| Sounds like you have a really good groomer and I admit I laughed when i read your descriptions of the ordeal until I read the reply from yorkietalkjilly and then I felt very bad . And that person sounds like a wonderful mom! I am sure you are a good mom too and was trying to make light of the situation. I feel bad for you , the groomer and poor Toby. I hope his next trip is better for you all♥ |
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