Male Yorkshire Terrier puppy

[BabyFidgette]

I don't know what's going on, but I hope that everything works out for the best. It saddens me that sometimes breeders or people who decide to breed get picked apart by other members/breeders/people. Sometimes I get the feeling that some people (breeders and members) think they are better then others in this Yorkie world. But everyone needs to start somewhere, and not everyone knows everything.

Anyway, Good luck in placing your furbaby! I'm gonna shut up know b/4 I get myself in trouble.

[BabyFidgette]

Oh, yeah..I forgot to say that the reason I clicked on this thread was because of your username. It looked like Nigeria at first to me, and I wanted to make sure nobody was trying to sell fake Yorkies on YT! LOLOL

[yorkykisses]

Originally Posted by wnalegria

I would love to sit down with a group- and have both of us present our case and have a group look at the documents both sides. I was very private for many months and came forth when a lot of untrue statments were made.

I have never mentioned the name of this breeder. If you know who the person is it did not come from me. Call and talk with Helen Twomey at Windmoor Yorkshire Terriers. You will find that she has a lot of life expereinces to share about her experiences and take a look at her documentation.

Kathy I am happy that you have found a wonderful home for your little boy!

I also will say that I do not need to contact Helen. I personally know these breeders and they are nothing but kind and helpful in every aspect of the yorkie world. They have bred many many champions and have given their life to this breed for the past thirty plus years. They are the true example of a show breeder! They entrusted two wonderful yorkshire terriers to you and they also entrusted to you "their hardwork"! There are people in this world that would give about anything to be able to walk into a showring with one of their beautiful yorkshire terriers. I do believe you to be mature enough to be able to walk away from signing a contract that you personally could not live up to the agreement. You are an adult and you have choices! I also know that these breeders would not go to a yorkie forum and talk about a situation without the other party being able to add their side. You are also "NOT" being totally truthful since you are not stating what happened on your end after the contract was signed.

Like I mentioned I am happy you found your little boy a wonderful home. Best of luck in the future.

Yorkykisses

[Paisleypup]

Reply to Yorkykisses. You may know the breeders involved and think highly of them personally, but you obviously do not know much about Kathy's particular situation with them. You can play tit for tat all day long but get the facts before you condem anyone.
I would not be involved in buying a puppy from Kathy right now if I thought there was anything to mistrust about her. She has been very up front with me and everyone as much as she can in print without jeopardising her case.
All this is about at this point is her trying to be a good breeder and stating facts to sell a puppy. I think this thread is overdone and needs to be closed.

[qraven]

I agree with you Paisley pup

Kathy I have heard great things about you and in time would love to buy a puppy from you.

I am so sorry for what others have done to you and I do stand behind you 100% ... going through a similar issue myself

[yorkykisses]

Originally Posted by Paisleypup

Reply to Yorkykisses. You may know the breeders involved and think highly of them personally, but you obviously do not know much about Kathy's particular situation with them. You can play tit for tat all day long but get the facts before you condem anyone.
I would not be involved in buying a puppy from Kathy right now if I thought there was anything to mistrust about her. She has been very up front with me and everyone as much as she can in print without jeopardising her case.
All this is about at this point is her trying to be a good breeder and stating facts to sell a puppy. I think this thread is overdone and needs to be closed.

I have only replied to what "Kathy" has stated on the thread "she" started. You are only seeing one side, especially since you are already in a business deal with Kathy purchasing a puppy. I stated and meant when I typed that I was happy she found a wonderful home for he little boy. I have NO agenda in this matter, but to see the truth. Which I have seen the truth. Court documents are public record. I will also state once more Kathy is a mature adult who willingly signed a contract knowing the terms. If there were terms Kathy could not live with, she is of legal age to drive herself home without signing the contract. There are many show breeders and many breeders in the world, so she had the opportunity to look elsewhere and decided not to. Kathy you have the opportunity to post what happened on your end after you signed the contract and mislead the breeders. Enough said.

Congratulations on the puppy you purchased from Kathy.

[wnalegria]

My call name is wnalegria. I used to have a horse and that was his name. I had a hard time finding a username that was not picked and this worked for me.

The WN- stands for Wayne Newton ( the horses breeder) and the Alegria
I am told is "joy" in Spanish. Al as we called him was bred by Mr. Newton and his sire was the Spanish National Champion GG Samir. We lost Al several years ago to cancer- he was in his mid 20's I think. He was a beautiful pure white horse with grace and attitude. We still have one of his daughters who is about 7-8 years old she reminds us daily of her daddy.

[Paisleypup]

Originally Posted by yorkykisses

I have only replied to what "Kathy" has stated on the thread "she" started. You are only seeing one side, especially since you are already in a business deal with Kathy purchasing a puppy. I stated and meant when I typed that I was happy she found a wonderful home for he little boy. I have NO agenda in this matter, but to see the truth. Which I have seen the truth. Court documents are public record. I will also state once more Kathy is a mature adult who willingly signed a contract knowing the terms. If there were terms Kathy could not live with, she is of legal age to drive herself home without signing the contract. There are many show breeders and many breeders in the world, so she had the opportunity to look elsewhere and decided not to. Kathy you have the opportunity to post what happened on your end after you signed the contract and mislead the breeders. Enough said.

Congratulations on the puppy you purchased from Kathy.

This is my last comment on this. I am not seeing only one side. You imply that I am biased. I knew Kathy long before I started any business deal with her, and the legal matters do not come into play here. I was aware of it at the time I asked to be put on her list for a puppy. I also am a mature adult and if I thought that there would be a problem I could have turned Kathy down, not signed a contract with her and gone someplace else.
You DO have an agenda here...You seem to 'nicely' be stating that your opinion is the only correct one here, and insist on having the last word. Be my guest.

[yorkykisses]

Originally Posted by Paisleypup

This is my last comment on this. I am not seeing only one side. You imply that I am biased. I knew Kathy long before I started any business deal with her, and the legal matters do not come into play here. I was aware of it at the time I asked to be put on her list for a puppy. I also am a mature adult and if I thought that there would be a problem I could have turned Kathy down, not signed a contract with her and gone someplace else.
You DO have an agenda here...You seem to 'nicely' be stating that your opinion is the only correct one here, and insist on having the last word. Be my guest.

My only agenda is the truth, as your's should be. I only look at the facts and am bias on the side of the truth. I have openly given Kathy an invitation to state what she done after she signed the contract for the two show yorkies and what she had planned to do the entire time. I believe if she wants to bring this to an open forum she should tell the whole story and just not her version of it.

Best of luck with your new puppy!

Yorkykisses

[wnalegria]

Originally Posted by yorkykisses

I have only replied to what "Kathy" has stated on the thread "she" started. You are only seeing one side, especially since you are already in a business deal with Kathy purchasing a puppy. I stated and meant when I typed that I was happy she found a wonderful home for he little boy. I have NO agenda in this matter, but to see the truth. Which I have seen the truth. Court documents are public record. I will also state once more Kathy is a mature adult who willingly signed a contract knowing the terms. If there were terms Kathy could not live with, she is of legal age to drive herself home without signing the contract. There are many show breeders and many breeders in the world, so she had the opportunity to look elsewhere and decided not to. Kathy you have the opportunity to post what happened on your end after you signed the contract and mislead the breeders. Enough said.

Congratulations on the puppy you purchased from Kathy.

Court documents are public record- what was filed against me and the countersuit that was filed by my attorney. You state you live in Indiana - you know the breeder well and how respected. My offer still stands to meet with you and the breeder so that you can hear both sides of the story and look at all the documentation. I don't think that you will get the breeder to agree to such a meeting. Just tell me when and where. Anyone else who wants to come is welcome. I will also bring Helen Twomey along so that she can tell you what happened to her. She can also provide you with a earfull and wealth of documentation . I am sure that there are a couple others that she might ask to come and talk. Please don't write her off- cause her dogs were the ones who produced one of last years top winning yorkie bitches.


I did not post it here on YT as to everything that went down- my side- beacuse I did not want to hurt the breeders reputatation. I have kept silent on the name of the breeder and the kennel. I was trying to handle this with some dignity and class.

With the years of experience of this breeder I would have never expected a situation like this. Live and learn.

But then you state you know all that happened and what my intentions were.
You state I could have walked away and not signed the contract.. How do you know that I could have. You were not there- Could you have walked away if you had paid for the dogs and the breeder refused to give your money back that night. But then you know the whole story.

Funny or should I say rather difficult for you to know my thoughts or intentions when I have not shared them with you or you have never asked
me about them.

You should also be aware that it has been offered before to meet and talk and settle the situation by a third party. Those offers have been refused. It has been a month since I did my deposition and the breeder has not proceed with the case. Ample time for them to have asked for a trial date.

I am ready willing and able to go before a jury and tell my side of the story and show my documentation. If I am so guilty as you seem to alert to- why would I do that. Why would I have wanted thousands of dollars in attorney fees to defend myself.

[diva pup]

Originally Posted by wnalegria

I will also bring Helen Twomey along so that she can tell you what happened to her. She can also provide you with a earfull and wealth of documentation . I am sure that there are a couple others that she might ask to come and talk. Please don't write her off- cause her dogs were the ones who produced one of last years top winning yorkie bitches.

How exciting for Helen Twomey, can I ask the pedigree of the dog that was a top winning bitch? I am not familiar with her or her kennel at all. It would be so interesting to see what her breeding program is based on, the creation of "her" lines so to speak.

[yorkykisses]

Originally Posted by diva pup

How exciting for Helen Twomey, can I ask the pedigree of the dog that was a top winning bitch? I am not familiar with her or her kennel at all. It would be so interesting to see what her breeding program is based on, the creation of "her" lines so to speak.

I am quite sure that the lines of this particular top winning bitch go back to the show breeder of the two show males in Kathy's possession and I do not believe that it was Helen or her husband that campaigned this particular bitch to her winning records.

Yorkykisses

[yorkykisses]

Originally Posted by wnalegria

Court documents are public record- what was filed against me and the countersuit that was filed by my attorney. You state you live in Indiana - you know the breeder well and how respected. My offer still stands to meet with you and the breeder so that you can hear both sides of the story and look at all the documentation. I don't think that you will get the breeder to agree to such a meeting. Just tell me when and where. Anyone else who wants to come is welcome. I will also bring Helen Twomey along so that she can tell you what happened to her. She can also provide you with a earfull and wealth of documentation . I am sure that there are a couple others that she might ask to come and talk. Please don't write her off- cause her dogs were the ones who produced one of last years top winning yorkie bitches.


I did not post it here on YT as to everything that went down- my side- beacuse I did not want to hurt the breeders reputatation. I have kept silent on the name of the breeder and the kennel. I was trying to handle this with some dignity and class.

With the years of experience of this breeder I would have never expected a situation like this. Live and learn.

But then you state you know all that happened and what my intentions were.
You state I could have walked away and not signed the contract.. How do you know that I could have. You were not there- Could you have walked away if you had paid for the dogs and the breeder refused to give your money back that night. But then you know the whole story.

Funny or should I say rather difficult for you to know my thoughts or intentions when I have not shared them with you or you have never asked
me about them.

You should also be aware that it has been offered before to meet and talk and settle the situation by a third party. Those offers have been refused. It has been a month since I did my deposition and the breeder has not proceed with the case. Ample time for them to have asked for a trial date.

I am ready willing and able to go before a jury and tell my side of the story and show my documentation. If I am so guilty as you seem to alert to- why would I do that. Why would I have wanted thousands of dollars in attorney fees to defend myself.

Kathy I have no intentions of sitting down with Helen or you. I do know enough of the situation to know right and wrong. You are not giving me enough credit. I know that it was not just "YOUR" money that purchased these particular males. I also know that you have stated in an email that the show breeders in question could purchase their yorkies back, but for an enormous amount of money. Much more money than you and the "OTHERS" paid for the boys in question. I have given you an invitation to state the truth. The whole truth will come out in the end, hope that you are prepared.

Again glad you found a wonderful home for your puppy. Best of luck in the future!

Yorkykisses

[txshopper73]

I must ask a question here...why are you so willingly giving information about this and your court date has not even been set yet. One would think that if you were going to talk about it, you'd wait until after the settlement. Even though you haven't mentioned names, people talk and know who you are referring to.

I see other breeder's names being pulled into this, yet they are not members here (at least not that I know of) to tell their side of the story. Are they as willing, as you are, to give information?

It only makes sense to me to "rise above it" and not try to discredit someone who has been in the show world for many years and has done wonders with the yorkshire terrier breed.

I've seen this go on other forums and it just doesn't make sense to me.

[wnalegria]

Originally Posted by yorkykisses

Kathy I have no intentions of sitting down with Helen or you. I do know enough of the situation to know right and wrong. You are not giving me enough credit. I know that it was not just "YOUR" money that purchased these particular males. I also know that you have stated in an email that the show breeders in question could purchase their yorkies back, but for an enormous amount of money. Much more money than you and the "OTHERS" paid for the boys in question. I have given you an invitation to state the truth. The whole truth will come out in the end, hope that you are prepared.

Again glad you found a wonderful home for your puppy. Best of luck in the future!

Yorkykisses

Yes- the truth will come out in the end. If it goes to court a Jury will determine who is in the right and who is in the wrong. That is the way of our country and the freedoms that are gave to us. For everyones sake I do hope that this gets over and done with. It is like a tooth ache that nags and does not go away. I will be glad when it is all over- I will be able to talk quite openly and share what happened with the world. Attorneys frown on that at this time.

Thank you for the sincere and kind wishes for my future. I look forward to having some great kids in the show ring. Perhaps we will meet there.

Offer will stand if you ever want to meet and talk to me in person. Helen is a great person. I would never have met her without this breeder.



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