YorkieTalk.com Forums - Yorkshire Terrier Community


Welcome to the YorkieTalk.com Forums Community - the community for Yorkshire Terriers.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. You will be able to chat with over 35,000 YorkieTalk members, read over 2,000,000 posted discussions, and view more than 15,000 Yorkie photos in the YorkieTalk Photo Gallery after you register. We would love to have you as a member!

Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please click here to contact us.

Go Back   YorkieTalk.com Forums - Yorkshire Terrier Community > YorkieTalk > Yorkie Health & Diet
Register Blogs FAQ Calendar JavaChat Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 04-11-2017, 04:35 AM   #1
Donating YT 1000 Club Member
 
Teegy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 2,631
Default Pet Fooled. Great documentary for all pet owners

If you haven't seen it yet, check out Pet Fooled. It's on Netflix worldwide and you can also rent it for 99c on iTunes.
It gives some insight into our pets diet and the pet food industry for those out there curious to learn more and feed the best diet they can for their pets and pet health.

https://m.facebook.com/Pet-Fooled-1793771757524419/

Pet Fooled – Truth about Pet Food
Teegy is offline   Reply With Quote
Welcome Guest!
Not Registered?

Join today and remove this ad!

WidgetBucks - Trend Watch - WidgetBucks.com
Old 04-11-2017, 10:15 AM   #2
YT 3000 Club Member
 
pstinard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Urbana, IL USA
Posts: 3,042
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Teegy View Post
If you haven't seen it yet, check out Pet Fooled. It's on Netflix worldwide and you can also rent it for 99c on iTunes.
It gives some insight into our pets diet and the pet food industry for those out there curious to learn more and feed the best diet they can for their pets and pet health.

https://m.facebook.com/Pet-Fooled-1793771757524419/

Pet Fooled Truth about Pet Food
I watched the trailer, and I *might* watch the full movie on Netflix, but I found the trailer to be alarmist and misleading. I don't think that ANYONE wants melamine in their dog food, but to say that corn and wheat in pet food leads to allergies, obesity, etc., is false. Maybe a small number of dogs are affected by corn and wheat, but most do just fine. Also, they implied that pet food companies don't know anything about canine nutrition and they showed an image of a bag of Hills Science Diet when they said that. That is patently false. Hills manufactures a lot of prescription diets that are life savers when it comes to certain medical conditions, and you can bet that they have canine nutritionists on staff.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. It's good to know what kinds of things are out there, for better or worse.
pstinard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2017, 01:26 PM   #3
Callie & Joey's mom
Donating YT Member
 
Lovetodream88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: LaPlata, Md
Posts: 17,867
Default

I won't waste my time with. There is a lot of misinformation in it. I feel bad that it's going to poison other people's minds.
__________________
Taylor
I Callie Mae, Joey James and Penny Ann
Taylor and Callie's doggy stuff reviews
Lovetodream88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2017, 04:05 PM   #4
Donating YT 1000 Club Member
 
Teegy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 2,631
Default

What they are bringing to light is that the ingredients in major dog foods are not great sources of nutrition for our pets, with the help of great marketing, we have been convinced to feed our dogs food containing cheap filler that has been topped up with vitamins and minerals to pass AAFCO feed requirements. And also showing that the large pet food companies are not willing to be transparent about this. The goal is to show that animals survive on these foods but don't thrive and it's about showing people they don't need to be afraid to feed whole raw foods to their pets. There is a lot of wonderful information and it would be a shame if people didn't take an hour out of their day just to watch it, then form their own opinions at the end.
It's wonderful to see that studies are now being done all over the world to show us this
Teegy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2017, 06:38 PM   #5
Callie & Joey's mom
Donating YT Member
 
Lovetodream88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: LaPlata, Md
Posts: 17,867
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Teegy View Post
What they are bringing to light is that the ingredients in major dog foods are not great sources of nutrition for our pets, with the help of great marketing, we have been convinced to feed our dogs food containing cheap filler that has been topped up with vitamins and minerals to pass AAFCO feed requirements. And also showing that the large pet food companies are not willing to be transparent about this. The goal is to show that animals survive on these foods but don't thrive and it's about showing people they don't need to be afraid to feed whole raw foods to their pets. There is a lot of wonderful information and it would be a shame if people didn't take an hour out of their day just to watch it, then form their own opinions at the end.
It's wonderful to see that studies are now being done all over the world to show us this
I disagree with you. We learned a lot about raw feeding in my vet assistance class I feel very differently about it. There are lots of cons. I personally choose not to talk about it on here because I don't feel like being bashed by multiple people. It is something I would never risk for so many reasons. I also have seen lots of dogs thriving and they are on dry dog food. Mine are thriving on prescription dog food.
__________________
Taylor
I Callie Mae, Joey James and Penny Ann
Taylor and Callie's doggy stuff reviews
Lovetodream88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2017, 02:17 AM   #6
Furbutts = LOVE
Donating Member
Moderator
 
Wylie's Mom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 35,149
Blog Entries: 2
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Teegy View Post
If you haven't seen it yet, check out Pet Fooled. It's on Netflix worldwide and you can also rent it for 99c on iTunes.
It gives some insight into our pets diet and the pet food industry for those out there curious to learn more and feed the best diet they can for their pets and pet health.

https://m.facebook.com/Pet-Fooled-1793771757524419/

Pet Fooled Truth about Pet Food
Interesting. I'm always willing to check out food related stuff like this. I do think corn/wheat/filler have all done a world of not-good for our pets and their weights. Obesity in pets is now an epidemic. It's nuts. In every vet office I go into now, there are obesity posters in every single one!! If that doesn't tell you there is something wrong here in the way many are feeding their pets, I don't know what will...?

Who funded/made the movie, I wonder...? That can tell you a lot too.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 View Post
I disagree with you. We learned a lot about raw feeding in my vet assistance class I feel very differently about it. There are lots of cons. I personally choose not to talk about it on here because I don't feel like being bashed by multiple people. It is something I would never risk for so many reasons. I also have seen lots of dogs thriving and they are on dry dog food. Mine are thriving on prescription dog food.
There are tons of cons to feeding kibble too - was that covered equally in class?

Not surprised one bit that a vet tech instructor is teaching one side to the story about raw . Unfortunate (and naive, in this day and age).
Save
__________________
~ A friend told me I was delusional. I nearly fell off my unicorn. ~

O Ann | Pfeiffer | Marcel Verdel Purcell | Wylie | Artie O
Wylie's Mom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2017, 04:13 AM   #7
Donating YT 1000 Club Member
 
Teegy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 2,631
Default

The world would be a boring place if we all had the same opinions on every topic. What it shows is plant is being used as protein and we all know dogs are carnivores and that plant protein is cheap. Tufty has been raw fed from the age of 11 weeks and Teegy since 2 1/2 years old. I walked in with an open mind hoping I was going to find something that Teegy could thrive on after pancreatitis and he's soared. When I throw down a frozen lamb neck they get their whole bodies involved, it's like they are leaving a puzzle together and they'll figure out and enjoy getting that meat in their belly.
Kohl Harrington wrote and directed it and was produced by Michael Fossat and sponsored by the independent documentary fund.

Last edited by Teegy; 04-12-2017 at 04:15 AM.
Teegy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2017, 07:42 AM   #8
YT 3000 Club Member
 
pstinard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Urbana, IL USA
Posts: 3,042
Default

The classification of dogs as carnivores or omnivores is controversial, but it is clearly the case that dogs will thrive on a mixed diet derived from animal and plant sources, so they are not obligate carnivores. I'm not going to argue this any further, but I will provide a link to a good article that discusses this: https://thesciencedog.wordpress.com/...nivores-right/

With respect to feeding raw, I'm sure that there are good commercial sources of raw foods, and that a conscientious dog owner can create a healthy raw food diet. However, here is a link to a Skeptvet article that discusses the dangers of raw feeding with links to many additional articles pointing out the dangers as well: Raw Diets for Pets | The SkeptVet
pstinard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2017, 07:51 AM   #9
YT 3000 Club Member
 
pstinard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Urbana, IL USA
Posts: 3,042
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom View Post
There are tons of cons to feeding kibble too - was that covered equally in class?

Not surprised one bit that a vet tech instructor is teaching one side to the story about raw . Unfortunate (and naive, in this day and age).
Save
Articles with citations and links to scientific studies on this topic...

More Evidence of the Risk of Infectious Diseases Associated with Raw Pet Foods | The SkeptVet

Evidence Update-Review of Risks and Benefits of Raw Meat Diets for Dogs and Cats | The SkeptVet
pstinard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2017, 07:58 AM   #10
YT 3000 Club Member
 
pstinard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Urbana, IL USA
Posts: 3,042
Default

A little more information from one of the cited scientific studies (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4152787/) :

"In recent years, various groups have advocated feeding raw food diets to companion animals. This practice poses health risks to both animals and owners. A limited study, completed in Canada, showed that dogs fed a BARF (bones and raw food) diet were more likely to shed Salmonella in their stool than dogs fed commercial diets (Joffe and Schlesinger, 2002). There is an increasing trend of feeding raw meat diets in the United States, and these raw diets pose a risk to pet owners due to an increased risk of bacterial contamination from handling these products (Freeman and Michel, 2001). The results from our investigation show that these raw pet food products can contain pathogenic bacteria. In 2011, a study in California evaluated raw horsemeat diets in zoo settings and screened for Salmonella and E. coli, but not Listeria (Singleton et al., 2012). This study found one sample positive for Salmonella out of 54 samples that were screened using a sandwich ELISA test. The data show fewer positives than previous studies from zoos, which reported up to 60% positive findings for raw diets (Richter and al-Sheddy, 1990; Singleton et al., 2012). The Singleton study tested a small number of samples (54) and did not use standard microbial culture methods, which may have resulted in underreporting of positives from the raw meat diet. Our study used standard culture methods, tested more samples, and screened for a wider range of bacteria, including Listeria. We found that the raw pet food products could be contaminated with either Salmonella, Listeria monocytogenes, or both pathogens."

This is why most vets don't recommend raw diets, and why the dangers of raw diets are taught in vet med schools. Not to say it can't be done, but the dangers are real.
pstinard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2017, 08:03 AM   #11
Donating YT 1000 Club Member
 
Teegy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 2,631
Default

I love how they keep saying it's all anecdotal about raw feeding then they tell us they poison our pets isn't that a complete contradiction.
In one sentence it's "no studies done to prove they are better than....". Then it's "they are full of evil poisonous germs and we will all die if we feed them"
Teegy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2017, 10:12 AM   #12
YT 3000 Club Member
 
pstinard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Urbana, IL USA
Posts: 3,042
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Teegy View Post
I love how they keep saying it's all anecdotal about raw feeding then they tell us they poison our pets isn't that a complete contradiction.
In one sentence it's "no studies done to prove they are better than....". Then it's "they are full of evil poisonous germs and we will all die if we feed them"
They're saying that the information that raw diets are superior to commercial diets is anecdotal because scientific evidence has not borne that out--it's just people telling stories about their particular dogs. However, there is scientific evidence that raw diets are less safe than commercial diets due to the presence of bacteria (primarily) as well as lack of essential nutrients in raw diets prepared by those who don't know how to do it properly. There's not really any inconsistency there...
pstinard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2017, 10:24 AM   #13
Callie & Joey's mom
Donating YT Member
 
Lovetodream88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: LaPlata, Md
Posts: 17,867
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom View Post
Interesting. I'm always willing to check out food related stuff like this. I do think corn/wheat/filler have all done a world of not-good for our pets and their weights. Obesity in pets is now an epidemic. It's nuts. In every vet office I go into now, there are obesity posters in every single one!! If that doesn't tell you there is something wrong here in the way many are feeding their pets, I don't know what will...?

Who funded/made the movie, I wonder...? That can tell you a lot too.



There are tons of cons to feeding kibble too - was that covered equally in class?

Not surprised one bit that a vet tech instructor is teaching one side to the story about raw . Unfortunate (and naive, in this day and age).
Save
We actually had a intergrated medicine vet come in and talk to us about intergrative medicine and she brought up raw feeding as well and although supports it brought up some of the same concerns. I don't wanna argue about it but it ticks me off when people say raw is the only way to feed and the only way for a dog to thrive because that's not true at all. It's not that simple.
__________________
Taylor
I Callie Mae, Joey James and Penny Ann
Taylor and Callie's doggy stuff reviews
Lovetodream88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2017, 10:27 AM   #14
Callie & Joey's mom
Donating YT Member
 
Lovetodream88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: LaPlata, Md
Posts: 17,867
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Teegy View Post
The world would be a boring place if we all had the same opinions on every topic. What it shows is plant is being used as protein and we all know dogs are carnivores and that plant protein is cheap. Tufty has been raw fed from the age of 11 weeks and Teegy since 2 1/2 years old. I walked in with an open mind hoping I was going to find something that Teegy could thrive on after pancreatitis and he's soared. When I throw down a frozen lamb neck they get their whole bodies involved, it's like they are leaving a puzzle together and they'll figure out and enjoy getting that meat in their belly.
Kohl Harrington wrote and directed it and was produced by Michael Fossat and sponsored by the independent documentary fund.
The issue is you think that anything other then raw is like evil and that dogs can't thrive on other things and that's just not true.
__________________
Taylor
I Callie Mae, Joey James and Penny Ann
Taylor and Callie's doggy stuff reviews
Lovetodream88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2017, 05:23 PM   #15
Action Jackson ♥
Donating Member
 
Britster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Maryland
Posts: 17,162
Default

I watched it. It was definitely biased.

I think it's an okay watch for an average pet owner who just walks into a grocery store and picks out a pretty bag of food. Most people literally have never even looked at the back of the bag or an ingredient list or find out how/where their dogs food is made. I know sooo many people who truly believe they are feeding their dog the best by feeding Beneful because "it's colorful and looks like it has real veggies in it!"

Sooo for that, I think it's good to at least get people *thinking*. But I really hated the pushy raw feeding in it. I wish they would've spoken of homecooking more, to be honest, because I sort of feel like this is likely the healthiest option for our pets if done correctly. Also, they did not touch on properly balancing raw. Raw can be fantastic for some dogs but there is a balancing act to it and it has to be done properly or you could have a very sick dog. I feel like they kind of... left that out.

It wasn't a bad doc but I think it should have been more well rounded.
__________________
~ Brit & Jackson ~


Britster is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off




Google
 

SHOP NOW: Amazon :: eBay :: Buy.com :: Newegg :: PetStore :: Petco :: PetSmart


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 04:49 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright ©2003 - 2013 YorkieTalk.com
Privacy Policy - Terms of Use

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 526 527 528 529 530 531 532 533 534 535 536 537 538 539 540 541 542 543 544 545 546 547 548 549 550 551 552 553 554 555 556 557 558 559 560 561 562 563 564 565 566 567 568 569 570 571 572 573 574 575 576 577 578 579 580 581 582 583 584 585 586 587 588 589 590 591 592 593 594 595 596 597 598 599 600 601 602 603 604 605 606 607 608 609 610 611 612 613 614 615 616 617 618 619 620 621 622 623 624 625 626 627 628 629 630 631 632 633 634 635 636 637 638 639 640 641 642 643 644 645 646 647 648 649 650 651 652 653 654 655 656 657 658 659 660 661 662 663 664 665 666 667 668 669 670 671 672 673 674 675 676 677 678 679 680 681 682 683 684 685 686 687 688 689 690 691 692 693 694 695 696 697 698 699 700 701 702 703 704 705 706 707 708 709 710 711 712 713 714 715 716 717 718 719 720 721 722 723 724 725 726 727 728 729 730 731 732 733 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741 742 743 744 745 746 747 748 749 750 751 752 753 754 755 756 757 758 759 760 761 762 763 764 765 766 767 768 769 770 771 772 773 774 775 776 777 778 779 780 781 782 783 784 785 786 787 788 789 790 791 792 793 794 795 796 797 798 799 800 801 802 803 804 805 806 807 808 809 810 811 812 813 814 815 816 817 818 819 820 821 822 823 824 825 826 827 828 829 830 831 832 833 834 835 836 837 838 839 840 841 842 843 844 845 846 847 848 849 850 851 852 853 854 855 856 857 858 859 860 861 862 863 864 865 866 867 868 869 870 871 872 873 874 875 876 877 878 879 880 881 882 883 884 885 886 887 888 889 890 891 892 893 894 895 896 897 898 899 900 901 902 903 904 905 906 907 908 909 910 911 912 913 914 915 916 917 918 919 920 921 922 923 924 925 926 927 928 929 930 931 932 933 934 935 936 937 938 939 940 941 942 943 944 945 946 947 948 949 950 951 952 953 954 955 956 957 958 959 960 961 962 963 964 965 966 967 968 969 970 971 972 973 974 975 976 977 978 979 980 981 982 983 984 985 986 987 988 989 990 991 992 993 994 995 996 997 998 999 1000 1001 1002 1003 1004 1005 1006 1007 1008 1009 1010 1011 1012 1013 1014 1015 1016 1017 1018 1019 1020 1021 1022 1023 1024 1025 1026 1027 1028 1029 1030 1031 1032 1033 1034 1035 1036 1037 1038 1039 1040 1041 1042 1043 1044 1045 1046 1047 1048 1049 1050 1051 1052 1053 1054 1055 1056 1057 1058 1059 1060 1061 1062 1063 1064 1065 1066 1067 1068 1069 1070 1071 1072 1073 1074 1075 1076 1077 1078 1079 1080 1081 1082 1083 1084 1085 1086 1087 1088 1089 1090 1091 1092 1093 1094 1095 1096 1097 1098 1099 1100 1101 1102 1103 1104 1105 1106 1107 1108 1109 1110 1111 1112 1113 1114 1115 1116 1117 1118 1119 1120 1121 1122 1123 1124 1125 1126 1127 1128 1129 1130 1131 1132 1133 1134 1135 1136 1137 1138 1139 1140 1141 1142 1143 1144 1145 1146 1147 1148 1149 1150 1151 1152 1153 1154