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AmyChristine · 07-06-2009, 06:24 PM

How is Lily doing today? hopefully no more seizures. Hugs to you and sweet baby girl.

I would see if your vet could give you a RX food and lactulose it will not hurt her to be on a low protien diet until you can get some answers. Copper's seizures stopped completely when we changed diet, and has never been as sick as he was durring diagnosis. I really thought that he wasn't going to make it. But now you would never know that he has a liver problem.

becky k · 07-06-2009, 09:24 PM

lily has had no more seizures for 2 days acting normal again but very spoiled wont sleep in her pen has to be next to me so im on the couch cause my bed is to high and she may fall. vet keeps telling me he dont think ls is the problem as she has no vomit or loose stools and seizures would not stop for 2 days then restart he believes she has hypogycemic attacks and cant regulate well wants me to give her 30cc baby food chicken mixed with 1 fouth teaspoon of karo every 4 hours until she is 2 pounds or 6 months but will still check for ls next week probably he said if she is stronger. i have her on ls diet as everyone here has convienced me this is it. can it be without vomit or loose stools? im so confused as i could be hurting her if she is hyoglycemic .i am trying to get info on ellies vet .ill keep you posted. i put new pics on my profile.

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AbbysMom08 · 07-06-2009, 09:56 PM

Your little Lily Kisses is so very cute!!!
I hope they find out what is wrong with her.
I'll continue to keep her in my prayers.

AmyChristine · 07-06-2009, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by becky k

lily has had no more seizures for 2 days acting normal again but very spoiled wont sleep in her pen has to be next to me so im on the couch cause my bed is to high and she may fall. vet keeps telling me he dont think ls is the problem as she has no vomit or loose stools and seizures would not stop for 2 days then restart he believes she has hypogycemic attacks and cant regulate well wants me to give her 30cc baby food chicken mixed with 1 fouth teaspoon of karo every 4 hours until she is 2 pounds or 6 months but will still check for ls next week probably he said if she is stronger. i have her on ls diet as everyone here has convienced me this is it. can it be without vomit or loose stools? im so confused as i could be hurting her if she is hyoglycemic .i am trying to get info on ellies vet .ill keep you posted. i put new pics on my profile.

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I am so so glad to hear that there has been no seizures for a few days. I looked at her pics... she is too cute

You are doing such a wounderful job with her. She is really lucky to have found such a wonderful and carring momma. It is so hard when they are sick and they cannot tell you what is wrong. I really hope that you can get into Ellie's vet that would be great.

Copper did not have loose stools, actually he had the opposite he would go sometimes a day or so without a BM. He did vommit a couple times. And the neuro symptoms did come and go I noticed his first siezures and then he went almost a week without anything and then it flared up really bad, he was lethargic and limp. He wanted to hide and only wanted to be with me. He looked so depressed. He would spend alot of time rubbing his head up and down the wall behind the couch. And like you described earlier, he would try to climb as high as possible, usually ending up on the back of my neck.

My vet actually argued with me about the liver problem, he didn't think that he fit all of the exact symptoms and didn't even want to do a BA test and told me I was wasting my money. He applogized after the results and I have since changed vets. Most vets have little to no experience with this, his reason for not thinking it was the liver was that it is not very common, he thought that it might be another seizure disorder.

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postalmom1987 · 07-06-2009, 10:56 PM

Wishing you and Lilly Kisses all the best. Keeping you in my thoughts and prayers.

lillymae · 07-06-2009, 11:23 PM

The head rubbing, bumping, pressing against the wall is actually a type of seizure associated mostly with liver problems. In the vet world we call it Head butting or Head pressing. And it is NOT A SYMPTOM of a seizure, but an ACTUAL SEIZURE. Did you tell the vet she is doing this? If you did he should have recognized this as a liver problem. If you did tell him and he's not getting the clue, Take her to a vet that knows more about liver symptoms. ASAP.

Lolasmom1211 · 07-07-2009, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by becky k

lily has had no more seizures for 2 days acting normal again but very spoiled wont sleep in her pen has to be next to me so im on the couch cause my bed is to high and she may fall. vet keeps telling me he dont think ls is the problem as she has no vomit or loose stools and seizures would not stop for 2 days then restart he believes she has hypogycemic attacks and cant regulate well wants me to give her 30cc baby food chicken mixed with 1 fouth teaspoon of karo every 4 hours until she is 2 pounds or 6 months but will still check for ls next week probably he said if she is stronger. i have her on ls diet as everyone here has convienced me this is it. can it be without vomit or loose stools? im so confused as i could be hurting her if she is hyoglycemic .i am trying to get info on ellies vet .ill keep you posted. i put new pics on my profile.

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Becky,

My precious baby girl had no vomiting or loose stools at all and she had liver shunt surgery in March at University of TN. I had been asking my vet to Bile Acid test her for months on the advice of people on Yorkie Talk and my vet kept insisting that she did not have LS. She kept telling me that she was growing and that she was not "sick enough" to have LS. She really did not have alot of other symptoms except for being a really picky eater, small size, and she was increasingly getting more lethargic. I really liked my vet and she really liked my baby girl - she just was not familiar with LS and it's many symptoms and devastating effects on these babies. She finally did the BAT when I insisited before we spayed her - had we not done the test, we may have lost her. I don't think the LS diet would hurt your baby even if she did have hypoglycemic episodes. Keep some nutrical on hand, make sure that she eats several small meals (4-6) a day and put her on the lactulose so that the toxins don't back up and cause her to have any other neurological symptoms. My baby had a "very large" shunt and never had a neurological symptom, so you never know how it is going to affect each of these babies; I don't think the LS diet will have any adverse effect on your baby girl, regardless. I hope whatever you do helps...I know how stressful this is - you are doing a great job! She is a lucky little girl to have you!

SassyAnn101 · 07-07-2009, 10:22 AM

My Gizmo did not ever have any loose stools. He did vomit sometimes, but did not show any real neuro symptoms for over three years. He was just a picky eater, very thin, and would shake very bad after eating. He even went for a year without any symptoms at all. I did not believe it was LS either, but it was. When he started getting sick again, he went down hill very fast. He showed the neuro symptoms that you have described your baby having. I would go to Ellies vet if you are close. My vet is the very best in the town where I live, but he did not have enough experience with LS to know what was going on. I had to take Gizmo to UT before we knew for sure what his problems were. Good luck with your baby, She is lucky to have you.

TLC · 07-07-2009, 10:50 AM

Hills L/D wet is an Rx food for Liver Issues. You can get 1 can from your Vet and split it up into baggies and freeze. The portion that you are using, I would add a little water and blend very well. You can then add the Kayro that your Vet is telling you to add and feed her this mixture as often as he tells you too. At least this will cover that fact that she MAY have a Liver Shunt (or MVD) and it will also cover any Hypo episodes.

I would still get the Lactulose and if Ellie May's Vet is near you, I would go to her.

We know that you are doing your very best, your love does shine thru. I just wish your Vet had more LS experience

Nico29 · 07-07-2009, 11:00 AM

We are praying for Lily Kisses. I checked out the new pictures you added and she is absolutely beautiful. Love the pink dress. What a pretty face! Hope she feels better really soon.

Yorkiekids · 07-07-2009, 12:20 PM

We are praying for Lily.

LuvMySissy · 07-07-2009, 12:28 PM

Hoping that Lily continues to improve, especially on the new diet. I agree with getting the Hills L/D (and I don't ever agree with Hills Rx), but in this case I think it is a good idea. I agree with mixing in some karo and feeding every two hours per your vet's instructions, but also following the LS protocol so as not to make her any sicker in the meantime.

Still sending our prayers.....

cslat1 · 07-07-2009, 03:10 PM

Becky,
We are still saying our prayers for your little angel. I'm glad she is holding her own right now. I'll check back with you tomorrow.
Love,
Carol & Calleigh
xoxoxoxoxoxo

chickwit · 07-07-2009, 03:40 PM

Sending Prayers your way

Please..Please take the advice of YTRS

God Bless

becky k · 07-07-2009, 05:55 PM

thank you all for caring. lily still is doing well no neuro signs for 3 days. but i know something is wrong still and im always on edge waiting for the next episode. im not no where near ellies vet but i have spoke with her and got good advice on vets to look for. im calling around tomorrow to see where i can get lily a second opinion. im afraid to even get her vac.shot at this time. as far a growing and gaining weight she seems to be getting bigger but very light weight .she was 1.7 lbs at vet last week is that to small for 10 wks old?

07-06-2009, 06:24 PM	#136
AmyChristine YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Washington Posts: 869	How is Lily doing today? hopefully no more seizures. Hugs to you and sweet baby girl. I would see if your vet could give you a RX food and lactulose it will not hurt her to be on a low protien diet until you can get some answers. Copper's seizures stopped completely when we changed diet, and has never been as sick as he was durring diagnosis. I really thought that he wasn't going to make it. But now you would never know that he has a liver problem. __________________ My belongs to Copper and Maddie Mae RIP Sweet Rocky Mommy misses you

07-06-2009, 09:56 PM	#138
AbbysMom08 Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Illinois Posts: 970	Your little Lily Kisses is so very cute!!! I hope they find out what is wrong with her. I'll continue to keep her in my prayers. __________________ Mommy to Abby

07-06-2009, 10:56 PM	#140
postalmom1987 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: vacaville ca usa Posts: 170	Wishing you and Lilly Kisses all the best. Keeping you in my thoughts and prayers. __________________ LOVE my little Krystal

07-06-2009, 11:23 PM	#141
lillymae YT Addict Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: lewiston,idaho, us Posts: 329	Head butting The head rubbing, bumping, pressing against the wall is actually a type of seizure associated mostly with liver problems. In the vet world we call it Head butting or Head pressing. And it is NOT A SYMPTOM of a seizure, but an ACTUAL SEIZURE. Did you tell the vet she is doing this? If you did he should have recognized this as a liver problem. If you did tell him and he's not getting the clue, Take her to a vet that knows more about liver symptoms. ASAP.

07-07-2009, 10:22 AM	#143
SassyAnn101 Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Tennessee Posts: 316	My Gizmo did not ever have any loose stools. He did vomit sometimes, but did not show any real neuro symptoms for over three years. He was just a picky eater, very thin, and would shake very bad after eating. He even went for a year without any symptoms at all. I did not believe it was LS either, but it was. When he started getting sick again, he went down hill very fast. He showed the neuro symptoms that you have described your baby having. I would go to Ellies vet if you are close. My vet is the very best in the town where I live, but he did not have enough experience with LS to know what was going on. I had to take Gizmo to UT before we knew for sure what his problems were. Good luck with your baby, She is lucky to have you. __________________ My Gang: Tenci, Trouble, Chip, Gus, & Pee Wee Rest In Peace My Sweet Gizmo

07-06-2009, 09:24 PM	#137
becky k Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2009 Location: romulus michigan Posts: 171	lily has had no more seizures for 2 days acting normal again but very spoiled wont sleep in her pen has to be next to me so im on the couch cause my bed is to high and she may fall. vet keeps telling me he dont think ls is the problem as she has no vomit or loose stools and seizures would not stop for 2 days then restart he believes she has hypogycemic attacks and cant regulate well wants me to give her 30cc baby food chicken mixed with 1 fouth teaspoon of karo every 4 hours until she is 2 pounds or 6 months but will still check for ls next week probably he said if she is stronger. i have her on ls diet as everyone here has convienced me this is it. can it be without vomit or loose stools? im so confused as i could be hurting her if she is hyoglycemic .i am trying to get info on ellies vet .ill keep you posted. i put new pics on my profile. .

07-07-2009, 10:50 AM	#144
TLC Slave to My Rug-Rats Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Long Island Posts: 6,284	Hills L/D wet is an Rx food for Liver Issues. You can get 1 can from your Vet and split it up into baggies and freeze. The portion that you are using, I would add a little water and blend very well. You can then add the Kayro that your Vet is telling you to add and feed her this mixture as often as he tells you too. At least this will cover that fact that she MAY have a Liver Shunt (or MVD) and it will also cover any Hypo episodes. I would still get the Lactulose and if Ellie May's Vet is near you, I would go to her. We know that you are doing your very best, your love does shine thru. I just wish your Vet had more LS experience __________________ He Gave Them to Us to Use in Times of Need...NOT...to Abuse for Greed "You Won't Change the World by Saving One Animal..BUT...You Will Change the World for that One"

07-07-2009, 11:00 AM	#145
Nico29 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Connectict USA Posts: 202	We are praying for Lily Kisses. I checked out the new pictures you added and she is absolutely beautiful. Love the pink dress. What a pretty face! Hope she feels better really soon.

07-07-2009, 12:20 PM	#146
Yorkiekids Piper & Sebastian Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: florida Posts: 14,274	We are praying for Lily. __________________ Susan, Piper & Sebastion

07-07-2009, 12:28 PM	#147
LuvMySissy Luv my Angel, too! Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 9,072	Hoping that Lily continues to improve, especially on the new diet. I agree with getting the Hills L/D (and I don't ever agree with Hills Rx), but in this case I think it is a good idea. I agree with mixing in some karo and feeding every two hours per your vet's instructions, but also following the LS protocol so as not to make her any sicker in the meantime. Still sending our prayers..... __________________ Jodie, Sissy & Angel Proudly dressin' your furkids at: www.sissyangelwear.com Members of the CRAZY Club!

07-07-2009, 03:10 PM	#148
cslat1 Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Atkinson,N.H. Posts: 254	Becky, We are still saying our prayers for your little angel. I'm glad she is holding her own right now. I'll check back with you tomorrow. Love, Carol & Calleigh xoxoxoxoxoxo __________________ Carol & Calleigh Proud member of YAP, THE PINK CLUB,The Spoiled Rotten Club,The Crazy Club

07-07-2009, 03:40 PM	#149
chickwit Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Airdrie,Alberta,Canada Posts: 239	Sending Prayers your way Please..Please take the advice of YTRS God Bless __________________ Linda and Harley Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter!

07-07-2009, 05:55 PM	#150
becky k Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2009 Location: romulus michigan Posts: 171	thank you all for caring. lily still is doing well no neuro signs for 3 days. but i know something is wrong still and im always on edge waiting for the next episode. im not no where near ellies vet but i have spoke with her and got good advice on vets to look for. im calling around tomorrow to see where i can get lily a second opinion. im afraid to even get her vac.shot at this time. as far a growing and gaining weight she seems to be getting bigger but very light weight .she was 1.7 lbs at vet last week is that to small for 10 wks old?