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06-23-2006, 07:08 PM | #1 |
YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Virginia
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| Limited Registration? When I browse around looking for puppies(just looking) I see a lot of people only offering LR. Then I see a lot of unreasonable request in the contracts. What are your thoughts on this? I mean if you pay the price for the puppy shouldn't it be up to you as to whether or not you want to get the pup fixed? When I bought Diesel I never agreed to a LR. I also never agreed to have him fixed and he isn't. So far he is doing just fine and so I figure why mess with it. My thing is how can some of these breeders even enforce certain request? This is just a curiosity question really and I would love to hear some opinions. Michelle |
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06-23-2006, 07:16 PM | #2 |
YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Eastern PA
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| An experienced breeder is the best judge of whether a pup they produced will or will not be suitable for breeding. Also, a breeder is ultimately responsible for the dogs they've produced, they are on the planet because of their actions....so any dogs THOSE dogs produce are their responsibility also...SO, a reputable breeder will not surrender that responsibility lightly to anyone just wanting a pet.
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06-23-2006, 07:32 PM | #3 | |
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06-23-2006, 08:19 PM | #4 |
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| makes sense to me...I would be a terrible Diagnostic Sonographer
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06-23-2006, 08:40 PM | #5 |
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| I think there are many reasons why breeders wish to limit registration. Many are now even having the sterilization procedures done at a young age before they leave their homes so the pup doesn't go on to produce APRI, etc. or unregistered puppies. I think it is ok for a breeder for whatever reason to put anything they want to in a contract because you have the right to accept it or decline it. |
06-23-2006, 08:55 PM | #6 |
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| registration While it is nice to think care of the animal is the reason lets get real; the breeder does not want you to breed their line. By keeping market small it keeps prices up. The problem is people that want to breed will buy from someone else and breed anyway, so it does not solve anything you cant make an person who thinks he can make money breeding animals change his mind because the breeder said they should not. I have also seen show kennels that let there breeder animals go to hell this is a fact. I have a yorkie a maltese a chiuhahua and a sharpei all females no limited regs. and I spayed them because I have enough sense to know that if you do it right you dont make money, its stressfull ,you have to live with a lot of mess. But we live in AMERICA you can choose not to purchase from them which i do, but these breeders usually have beautiful animals and it cost a lot to produce these type of dogs. |
06-23-2006, 09:03 PM | #7 |
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| I am not a breeder yet, I will start in about a year or two, after alot more of research and learning. But when I do all of my pups will all have limited registration unless I say otherwise. The reason why I want to have limited registration is because there are sooo many puppy mills out here, they will buy a puppy and use it as their puppy mill dog. That and there are sooo many irresponsible "breeders" and "accidents." Although I am curious how to do this. Many many people will buy a puppy with limited registration even if the breeder refuses to give them papers until proof that the pup was neutered/spayed and they will still breed the pup regardless of this and will register the dog with another breed registry. So how could you do this?? I thought maybe you could offer them a deal where if they spay the pup by a certain time they will be refunded the cost of the spay/neuter. But I am not even sure this would work. So other than neutering and spaying the pups before they go to their new owners, how can you truly ensure that the new owner will abide by the rules??
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06-24-2006, 01:35 AM | #8 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: knoxville
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| i have also wondered the samething....i however think it is a good thing because of so many puppymills and if someone is only wanting a pet and is being truthful to the breeder it shouldnt matter anyway....i havent even sent Bo's papers in and i doubt i will because he will be fixed next month so whats the need really for papers....and besides it is healthier for them to be fixed from what i hear is that true |
06-24-2006, 01:54 AM | #9 |
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| I never let a puppy go with limited registration , they are neutered or spayed before leaving my home . |
06-24-2006, 02:44 AM | #10 |
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| I remember reading on another post at Yorkie Talk (ah, I have no idea of its exact location now) that you can make the person getting the puppy leave you a deposit, and you give them back their money when they produce the proof of spay/neuter.
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06-24-2006, 07:07 AM | #11 |
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| What about when they say you can't do this and you can't do that with the pup until you ask me first. To me that is pushing it a bit. I can understand unlimited registration to a degree. Like GypsyQueen said the breeders really don't want their line being bred. When I went looking for Diesel I ran into a lot who only offered LR and asked for a lot of money. Of course I went looking elsewhere. I think that if I am buying a dog and paying that kind of money for it then I should have the right to choose to get them fixed. Anyway I have no problem with breeders asking a buyer to do this and that and oh don't do this and don't do that till you ask me first. I simply find another breeder. Diesel isn't fixed and doesn't have any kids running around LOL. But he is spoiled rotten and well taken care of. Thanks for the info. Michelle |
06-24-2006, 07:23 AM | #12 |
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| Lr A breeder who spay/neuters will never have to wonder if their pups are in a puppymill being bred until they are useless. We may place our pups with the nicest of people, but circumstances change...and my Yorkie could wind up in a bad breeding situation.. Never say that will NOT happen to your dog..you could be hit by a car tomorrow and relatives do not always find the best home for your pet...believe me, I had to rescue many beloved pet from a volume breeder. Good thing the first owner was dead in their grave and could not see what happened..it would have killed them..sorry! Limited regs mean nothing...the owner can breed and use CKC..only spay/neuter works. Last edited by YorkieRose; 06-24-2006 at 07:26 AM. |
06-24-2006, 07:36 AM | #13 |
YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Virginia
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| I don't think I said that it would NOT happen to me. I don't think I mentioned that at all. Guess this isn't the place for a good discussion without things getting heated and the I am right you are wrong feelings coming out. Just forget I asked. |
06-24-2006, 07:41 AM | #14 | |
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To address the other poster....the best way to 'control' what happens to the pups when they leave your care is to carefully screen your buyers and do a lot of communicating before and after, so you get to know them for real. There will be some that lie about intentions, but will usually trip themselves up along the way. This is not first come, first serve and your obligation is to the pups welfare above all else.
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06-24-2006, 08:14 AM | #15 |
Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Las Vegas.
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| all kennels and mills should be registered ,they should be checked out every six months any one not passing inspection should be shut down any pet shop or person buying from them should be shutdown or heavily fined. I have heard of people buying limeted reg. and turn around and use another dogs papers to reg. there dog and as for getting to know someone the people that do this are very good at lying they dont get caught by a conversation with you theve had a lot of practice in deciet in a good world you can take person at his word in the real world watch your back where money is concerned...............PS please dont take offense be glad that you are not that manipulitive |
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