Sacramento Breeder (Not TinyYorkieKisses.Com)

[MrsH]

Hi there,

I used to have an account under this forum but can't for the life of me remember my username.

I have a 5 yr old Yorkie and recently lost a baby pup last year After letting time pass to heal our hearts and doing what I thought was thorough research we found a breeder near Fairfield to go with. Our precious pup who passed was bought through a private seller and this time around we wanted to go the proper way and go through a reputable breeder!

TinyYorkieKisses was so disappointing. When we walked in we saw that the puppies were kept in pens secluded off to a room by themselves. They were standing in their own pee and poo. Mama and daddy were not on site. It didn't look like they were able to roam around the house. We ended up not leaving with a dog which was for the best. The pup that we came there to see she had already sold by the time we got there.

Am I looking for too much in a breeder? Is it normal to have lots of pups on site and to have them penned off by themselves w/mom and dad off-site?

One final question, any tips on how I can find a good, reputable breeder? I've checked online but half of them just scream "scam!" to me.

Any insight is greatly appreciated. Thank you!

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by MrsH

Hi there,

I used to have an account under this forum but can't for the life of me remember my username.

I have a 5 yr old Yorkie and recently lost a baby pup last year After letting time pass to heal our hearts and doing what I thought was thorough research we found a breeder near Fairfield to go with. Our precious pup who passed was bought through a private seller and this time around we wanted to go the proper way and go through a reputable breeder!

TinyYorkieKisses was so disappointing. When we walked in we saw that the puppies were kept in pens secluded off to a room by themselves. They were standing in their own pee and poo. Mama and daddy were not on site. It didn't look like they were able to roam around the house. We ended up not leaving with a dog which was for the best. The pup that we came there to see she had already sold by the time we got there.

Am I looking for too much in a breeder? Is it normal to have lots of pups on site and to have them penned off by themselves w/mom and dad off-site?

One final question, any tips on how I can find a good, reputable breeder? I've checked online but half of them just scream "scam!" to me.

Any insight is greatly appreciated. Thank you!

Parents on site would indicate the breeder has their own breeding program....that is not necessarily a good thing, they may have lousy breeding stock. But parents on site indicate they are not a broker, buying puppies all over the country and reselling them. The babies should not be in dirty conditions...but you have to be realistic....I have put puppies into a clean playpen, with their food and water, turned around to go get a littermate, and when I get back, #1 has dumpd the food out, traipsed thru their water, and pooped in the middle of the paper, then bounced and ran all over it. You can tell if this is a new mess the babies have created, or if they are truly being kept in a filthy pen..... Not everyone allows their pups to roam around the house...I do not allow that. Moms and their babies are kept separated from the other dogs.....and I do not mix litter together...after the babies are 11 weeks old, I do let them associate with some other dogs thru the safety of the playpen....the pups and momma are in the x-pen, in the sunroom, and there are several dogs loose in the sunroom...these are dogs that really enjoy socializing with the babies...this used to be a favorite past time for my precious little Hailee...she loved puppies and always wanted to be around them and included in their socializing. Mommas are not as nervous, as the other dogs can not harm their babies, and the babies are tickled to visit thru the playpen and then run back to momma to tell her all about it! "Lots of pups on site" may be a red flag.....I dont think you need to be getting your baby from a "breeding facility", whose goal is to flood the market with puppies....Show breeders are busy showing their dogs and formulating which of their two dogs will produce their next "perfect" example of what a Yorkie is, ever striving to adhere to the breed standard template. They concentrate on maybe several litters at a time, not dozens of puppies to market. I am not a show breeder, but my concentration and focus is having babies that adhere to the breed standard, and are produced by breeding stock that are all retired winning champions from the show ring, or are backed by pedigrees that are resplendent with Champions and Grand Champions, as well as proven and distinguished lines, perfected by the greatest breeders of our times! I only have 1-3 litters a year, in order to be able to provide the very best for those babies and provide them with the attention to detail I insist on giving all my babies. After I retire, I may be able to have 3-4 litters per year....I do not like having more than 2 litters on the ground at the same time....or no more than a total of 6-7 babies at the same time....I personally am comfortable with only that many babies, being able to give them the personal attention they require and the financial means to meet any emergency that may present itself...so I would think "a lot of puppies on site" could be a red flag, because that would indicate TO ME, that the goal and/or intent is to market babies, rather than perfecting a small number of babies and making them the best they can possibly be. There may very well be breeders out there that can produce 100 puppies per year, with a to-die-for "breeding facility", with a professional staff of on site vets, on site groomers, on site staff to feed and clean the housing areas for the pups....but those places I think are few and far between.....and as long as they are producing HEALTHY and WELL SOCIALIZED, WELL ADJUSTED puppies, more power to them...and if they are able to make money doing it, I do not think you can destroy someones reputation as a breeder, as long as they are producing healthy,beautiful puppies that are great examples of the breed standard, SIMPLY because they are able to make money doing it. You can probably start by hanging out at dog show....you have meet and greet days, you need to talk and visit with breeders at the shows, look at their baby they are showing....if that dog is a winner in the show ring, talk with that breeder and see if she ever sells her pups that are not show quality. This is how you start, by exposing yourself to the people that are intent on producing fine, healthy, gorgeous examples of Yorkies. You can also get recommendations from these people at the shows.....they may be mentoring people that are small breeders, producing wonderful puppies, that may not be show quality puppies, but puppies that are healthy and exemplify the breed standard. Find your breeder FIRST....she/he will have the perfect puppy for you! This is very time consuming and it requires much patience on your part....but it will pay off in the long run! You will have found a reputable breeder, will probably have to get on a waiting list because reputable breeders are NOT flooding the market and when you find one, she will be providing a few babies to a select few people...reputable breeders will only sell to pre approved homes. They want to be sure of where their babies are going, so they do not end up on the street or in a rescue or pound. They want to be sure their baby will have a wonderful future, full of love and attention and care.

[Lovetodream88]

You definitely are not looking for to much a puppy is a big commitment and expensive so you want one that is going to be healthy. I am very sorry about the loss of your pup. Sometimes its better to find a good breeder and wait for her to have available pups. A reputable breeder will ALWAYS have the mom with the pups until they are 12 weeks, they also will never use the word teacup or micro, they will be AKC registered, they will have done genetic and health testing on both parents, they will not breed females under 5 pounds, they will question you very well and you will be able to ask them any question and a million questions and they will be happy to help you. I would look at the Yorkshire Terrier club of America.

[pstinard]

I looked at the website for tinyyorkiekisses, and it looks reasonably reputable. They provide plenty of information on puppies and health issues, and scams, and things to look for (and things to avoid) in a breeder. I see that they overprice the smaller puppies, but the larger ones looks reasonably priced (I would pick Buddy ). I would follow up with them a little more--check to see if their puppies are AKC registered, and don't be afraid to ask them about the conditions you saw when you visited them (i. e. the puppies in pens with their own waste). Maybe they have a logical explanation. Also, the owner says that you can call her 24 hours a day with questions about puppy emergencies (such as hypoglycemia), so it sounds like they do care about the health of their puppies after they are sold. My main concern is that the parents (particularly the mother) are off-site. I would ask them why.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by pstinard

I looked at the website for tinyyorkiekisses, and it looks reasonably reputable. They provide plenty of information on puppies and health issues, and scams, and things to look for (and things to avoid) in a breeder. I see that they overprice the smaller puppies, but the larger ones looks reasonably priced (I would pick Buddy ). I would follow up with them a little more--check to see if their puppies are AKC registered, and don't be afraid to ask them about the conditions you saw when you visited them (i. e. the puppies in pens with their own waste). Maybe they have a logical explanation. Also, the owner says that you can call her 24 hours a day with questions about puppy emergencies (such as hypoglycemia), so it sounds like they do care about the health of their puppies after they are sold. My main concern is that the parents (particularly the mother) are off-site. I would ask them why.

Not having the mom onsite with the puppies not only is bad if the puppies are under 12 weeks but also would make the seller a broker and brokers get there puppies from bybs and puppymills.

[mimimomo]

Originally Posted by pstinard

I looked at the website for tinyyorkiekisses, and it looks reasonably reputable. They provide plenty of information on puppies and health issues, and scams, and things to look for (and things to avoid) in a breeder. I see that they overprice the smaller puppies, but the larger ones looks reasonably priced (I would pick Buddy ). I would follow up with them a little more--check to see if their puppies are AKC registered, and don't be afraid to ask them about the conditions you saw when you visited them (i. e. the puppies in pens with their own waste). Maybe they have a logical explanation. Also, the owner says that you can call her 24 hours a day with questions about puppy emergencies (such as hypoglycemia), so it sounds like they do care about the health of their puppies after they are sold. My main concern is that the parents (particularly the mother) are off-site. I would ask them why.

Sorry, it is NOT reputable. 1st of all, a reputable breeder does NOT breed mixes. 2ndly, a reputable breeder ALWAYS has the parents on site & will show the new parents w/out hesitation, the parents of the pups. 3rdly, tinyyorkiekisses ONLY provides 1 year health guarantee, a reputable breeder gives a LIFETIME guarantee. 4th, some of the Yorkie puppies on tinyyorkiekisses do NOT look like Yorkie puppies, they're NOT breeding to improve the breed, whereas a reputable breeder does.
OP, I hope some YT members will give you referrals of reputable breeders they know in that area. Best of luck to you in finding your reputable breeder. Yorkiemom1 is a well respected seasoned breeder & I would listen to her.

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Not having the mom onsite with the puppies not only is bad if the puppies are under 12 weeks but also would make the seller a broker and brokers get there puppies from bybs and puppymills.

True, it looks like she might be a broker. If the puppies were separated from their mother, I'd definitely ask at what age that was done. The main thing I see in her favor is that she looks like she is bending over backwards to give a health guarantee (for 1 year against genetic defects) and 24/7 puppy health support. It puzzles me why a broker would do that and how they can make a health guarantee if they don't know anything about the lineage. She says the puppies are pedigreed, but doesn't mention with which organization. I see red flags, but I don't see it as hopeless.

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by mimimomo

Sorry, it is NOT reputable. 1st of all, a reputable breeder does NOT breed mixes. 2ndly, a reputable breeder ALWAYS has the parents on site & will show the new parents w/out hesitation, the parents of the pups. 3rdly, tinyyorkiekisses ONLY provides 1 year health guarantee, a reputable breeder gives a LIFETIME guarantee. 4th, some of the Yorkie puppies on tinyyorkiekisses do NOT look like Yorkie puppies, they're NOT breeding to improve the breed, whereas a reputable breeder does.
OP, I hope some YT members will give you referrals of reputable breeders they know in that area. Best of luck to you in finding your reputable breeder. Yorkiemom1 is a well respected seasoned breeder & I would listen to her.

Okay, I will defer to your better judgement .

[Verbena]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

Parents on site would indicate the breeder has their own breeding program....that is not necessarily a good thing, they may have lousy breeding stock. But parents on site indicate they are not a broker, buying puppies all over the country and reselling them. The babies should not be in dirty conditions...but you have to be realistic....I have put puppies into a clean playpen, with their food and water, turned around to go get a littermate, and when I get back, #1 has dumpd the food out, traipsed thru their water, and pooped in the middle of the paper, then bounced and ran all over it. You can tell if this is a new mess the babies have created, or if they are truly being kept in a filthy pen..... Not everyone allows their pups to roam around the house...I do not allow that. Moms and their babies are kept separated from the other dogs.....and I do not mix litter together...after the babies are 11 weeks old, I do let them associate with some other dogs thru the safety of the playpen....the pups and momma are in the x-pen, in the sunroom, and there are several dogs loose in the sunroom...these are dogs that really enjoy socializing with the babies...this used to be a favorite past time for my precious little Hailee...she loved puppies and always wanted to be around them and included in their socializing. Mommas are not as nervous, as the other dogs can not harm their babies, and the babies are tickled to visit thru the playpen and then run back to momma to tell her all about it! "Lots of pups on site" may be a red flag.....I dont think you need to be getting your baby from a "breeding facility", whose goal is to flood the market with puppies....Show breeders are busy showing their dogs and formulating which of their two dogs will produce their next "perfect" example of what a Yorkie is, ever striving to adhere to the breed standard template. They concentrate on maybe several litters at a time, not dozens of puppies to market. I am not a show breeder, but my concentration and focus is having babies that adhere to the breed standard, and are produced by breeding stock that are all retired winning champions from the show ring, or are backed by pedigrees that are resplendent with Champions and Grand Champions, as well as proven and distinguished lines, perfected by the greatest breeders of our times! I only have 1-3 litters a year, in order to be able to provide the very best for those babies and provide them with the attention to detail I insist on giving all my babies. After I retire, I may be able to have 3-4 litters per year....I do not like having more than 2 litters on the ground at the same time....or no more than a total of 6-7 babies at the same time....I personally am comfortable with only that many babies, being able to give them the personal attention they require and the financial means to meet any emergency that may present itself...so I would think "a lot of puppies on site" could be a red flag, because that would indicate TO ME, that the goal and/or intent is to market babies, rather than perfecting a small number of babies and making them the best they can possibly be. There may very well be breeders out there that can produce 100 puppies per year, with a to-die-for "breeding facility", with a professional staff of on site vets, on site groomers, on site staff to feed and clean the housing areas for the pups....but those places I think are few and far between.....and as long as they are producing HEALTHY and WELL SOCIALIZED, WELL ADJUSTED puppies, more power to them...and if they are able to make money doing it, I do not think you can destroy someones reputation as a breeder, as long as they are producing healthy,beautiful puppies that are great examples of the breed standard, SIMPLY because they are able to make money doing it. You can probably start by hanging out at dog show....you have meet and greet days, you need to talk and visit with breeders at the shows, look at their baby they are showing....if that dog is a winner in the show ring, talk with that breeder and see if she ever sells her pups that are not show quality. This is how you start, by exposing yourself to the people that are intent on producing fine, healthy, gorgeous examples of Yorkies. You can also get recommendations from these people at the shows.....they may be mentoring people that are small breeders, producing wonderful puppies, that may not be show quality puppies, but puppies that are healthy and exemplify the breed standard. Find your breeder FIRST....she/he will have the perfect puppy for you! This is very time consuming and it requires much patience on your part....but it will pay off in the long run! You will have found a reputable breeder, will probably have to get on a waiting list because reputable breeders are NOT flooding the market and when you find one, she will be providing a few babies to a select few people...reputable breeders will only sell to pre approved homes. They want to be sure of where their babies are going, so they do not end up on the street or in a rescue or pound. They want to be sure their baby will have a wonderful future, full of love and attention and care.

Well said

[MrsH]

Verbena thank you so much for taking the time to reply to me. You have given some very valid points and a lot for me to think about. I definitely need to do my homework more when it comes to finding a reputable breeder.

I've since done some digging online and have found that she is a broker (not breeder) and that she boasts that she has new dogs posted online every week. Ugh, that was stupid of me on my part, I need to take some responsibility for it as well.

Thank you for your insight, I truly appreciate it!

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by MrsH

Verbena thank you so much for taking the time to reply to me. You have given some very valid points and a lot for me to think about. I definitely need to do my homework more when it comes to finding a reputable breeder.

I've since done some digging online and have found that she is a broker (not breeder) and that she boasts that she has new dogs posted online every week. Ugh, that was stupid of me on my part, I need to take some responsibility for it as well.

Thank you for your insight, I truly appreciate it!

We are always here to help.

[MrsH]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

We are always here to help.

Oh wow, on my mobile it was only showing one reply! When I came on here I see there is a lot of replies... thank you ALL so very much!!