Investigating Puppy Mills…Please Read

[TeddyandTiffy]

After some of the thoughts here on some of the Puppy Mills that we’ve been having here on YT, I got to wondering just what was here in my own State (Indiana) that I live in.

Below is a list of what I’ve come across and it’s is so sad to know this is happening so close to my City (Seymour, Indiana) that I live in.

Please keep in mind this is my OPO of these.

I have nothing against the Amish. (Please know I’m not in no way against them and the way they live except for the way they treat their Dogs of any Breed & Puppies of any Breed. & Should anyone here at YT be Amish then please know this is not directed toward U in any way.)

I just never ever in a Million Years would of thought that they would do this to Dogs, I mean I thought they was the perfect people from all I had view on TV, seen here in our State & read about. But after reading all this here at “Pet Shop Puppies” about what great lengths the Amish here in this article went through to hide and keep this going it amazed me how they are determined to keep the income flowing and put theses precious dogs through this!

I feel I have to get involved in this some how. I thought about putting something about Puppy Mills and Puppy Pipe Lines on myspace page & on my own website to try to educate people on this. Do U guys here on YT think it would be wrong for me to do this?

I’ve showed my oldest daughter all this too & do U know that she had a dream last night about a girl saying I ran a puppy mill because I allowed Tiffanie (Our Yorkie) to whelp in her whelping box (A tote) in her dream she stood up for me & our Yorkies & ended up knocking the girl out in her dream, so this must be on her mind too!

This is why our Clyde was adopted to his new parents, his adoptive parents went to this Pet Store in our City to find a puppy and came here and boy did they have some thoughts on this Pet Store, they tried to push them into buying a puppy, they wouldn’t let them go into the back where “All” the puppies was, they said it smelled so bad in there, the place was filthy, the 1st thing she said to her husband when they came through our Yorkie Room door was “See this is how a place that has puppies should smell and how it should be clean”. I never thought much about it then so now after me finding out more on these places I begin putting 2 and 2 together. I’m gonna try to find out if this Pet Store is still here in our City.

Please keep in mind that some of these sites that I came across that has photos and videos are VERY VERY GRAPHIC!!! Please be aware of some of the sites that U may view and please know that some of these sites are not for the WEAK!!!

(My stomach turned, I got cold chills, my hands flew over my mouth at what I saw & yes I bawled like a baby viewing all this!!!)


http://www.petshoppuppies.org/Indiana1.htm

I do have to tell U "Some images are Very GRAPHIC" on this site. Please read it all the way through, it does have some good information about what to look for if U do go to buy a Puppy from a Pet Store. I read through the whole site (Took me a long time) & clicked on each and every thing there was to click on.

It's about Indiana Amish Puppy Mills, which I never knew of and now I do!!! This is 83.4 miles from my house. The Bloomfield, Indiana is 71 miles from my house. Columbus, Indiana is 28 Minutes from my house. (At this Animal World in Columbus, Indiana, I seen somewhere on the internet (Can’t find it now, thought I book marked it) that they are buying puppies from Tractor Trailers these puppies are hauled to Indiana from Missouri.


Indiana Puppy Pipelines (I never ever knew this was another word for Puppy Mills until I started looking into this in Indiana)


WTHR - Indiana's Puppy Pipeline Part 1
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2308311

WTHR - Indiana's Puppy Pipeline Part 2
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2308362/7255018

WTHR - Indiana's Puppy Pipeline Part 3
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2308403/7255152

Indiana Amish Puppy Mill
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2303502/7242336

Indiana Pet Stores Exposed
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2303366/7241930


http://www.pet-abuse.com/pages/cruelty_laws.php

" U.S. Cruelty Laws Felony Vs Misdemeanor" (Just scroll down the page to view U're States) (It does have a Crime Database!!)

Old Address (My daughter said they was shut down! And we got to searching and we don’t know if they are or not, I tried to call the phone # but it is out of order but I do know the address is changed on the Internet, my girls said they would try to find this "Animal World" in Columbus to see if it is shut down or not)


Animal World
(812) 372-0003
1825 Central Ave
Columbus, IN

New address
Animal World
1301 California St
Columbus, IN 47201-5842
Phone: (812) 372-0003

[rrosenberry]

There are a few ppl that have great myspace pages totally about puppymills, check those out.

[Ples]

I also am not Amish and can't honestly say I knew that much about them, but in the last year I have learned more than I ever wanted to know, I purchased a puppy from an Amish puppy mill, not knowingly of course. It is located in the York/Lancaster area of Pennsylvania. We bred that dog with our male Yorkie and the puppies were born with a terrible disease called hypotrichosis. This disease is quite rare and causes, at the very least, baldness on their heads and abdomens and can have other even worse problems associated with it. I had to do a lot of research but finally tracked down that the person I bought the dog from had purchased the puppy from these people. The Amish look at these dogs as a way to make money, they are not pets by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not saying that making money is bad, just they don't seem to comprehend what they are doing is wrong. I'm assuming because that is the nature of their beliefs. To make a long story short, I contacted state and county organizations, the ACA, and everyone else I could think of along the way. In the end, I got every cent back I paid for our female and they agreed to spay the dam so she would have no more puppies with that disease. The breeders gave that damto a rescue that called me to report they had been given the dog and the spaying was completed. At least she will get a good home. The sad, sad, part of this is NO ONE can or will put these Amish breeders out of business. The man could never understand through all this, ending only on the day we were to go to court why I was so emotional over......a dog (his words). He just kept wanting to "give me another one." The experience was horrible and my only advice, is never deal with an Amish breeder, even if it doesn't look like a puppy mill. They are incapable of thinking about these dogs as we do. As I said, I got my money, but I was left with my beautiful girl carrying a disease and 3 puppies with this disease and more heartbreak and confusion than any money could ever make up for. I apologize in advance if I have offended anyone who know the Amish, but having gone through this I have earned the right to my opinion.

[Yorkieville200]

I will tell you, that I have a friend in PA that does Rescue, and she says the Amish are the absolute worst puppymillers in the country.

Sheila

[YorkieChick1]

If you saw Oprah's show, the rescuer said that the Amish thought of dogs as livestock and were shocked to hear that the rescuer allowed his dog to be in the house, walking on his carpet!! They have a totally different mindset about these animals. I don't care if it is a dog, or a goat, or chicken or a rat, they should be treated humanely and the US Government needs to step in and close these places down and make it a crime to keep any animals in this condition.

[jrsygal37]

Teddy and Timmy. Thank you for posting this. I asked YT if we could add a sticky regarding mills and I offered to keep the updatin up, but have not heard anything. Thank you again for posting.

Elaine (mom to 5 - 4 of which were rescues and one of which was a mill dog)

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by Ples

I also am not Amish and can't honestly say I knew that much about them, but in the last year I have learned more than I ever wanted to know, I purchased a puppy from an Amish puppy mill, not knowingly of course. It is located in the York/Lancaster area of Pennsylvania. We bred that dog with our male Yorkie and the puppies were born with a terrible disease called hypotrichosis. This disease is quite rare and causes, at the very least, baldness on their heads and abdomens and can have other even worse problems associated with it. I had to do a lot of research but finally tracked down that the person I bought the dog from had purchased the puppy from these people. The Amish look at these dogs as a way to make money, they are not pets by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not saying that making money is bad, just they don't seem to comprehend what they are doing is wrong. I'm assuming because that is the nature of their beliefs. To make a long story short, I contacted state and county organizations, the ACA, and everyone else I could think of along the way. In the end, I got every cent back I paid for our female and they agreed to spay the dam so she would have no more puppies with that disease. The breeders gave that damto a rescue that called me to report they had been given the dog and the spaying was completed. At least she will get a good home. The sad, sad, part of this is NO ONE can or will put these Amish breeders out of business. The man could never understand through all this, ending only on the day we were to go to court why I was so emotional over......a dog (his words). He just kept wanting to "give me another one." The experience was horrible and my only advice, is never deal with an Amish breeder, even if it doesn't look like a puppy mill. They are incapable of thinking about these dogs as we do. As I said, I got my money, but I was left with my beautiful girl carrying a disease and 3 puppies with this disease and more heartbreak and confusion than any money could ever make up for. I apologize in advance if I have offended anyone who know the Amish, but having gone through this I have earned the right to my opinion.

Thank you for posting and sharing. Many of us without knowing better bought dogs from petstores, byb, bad breeders or puppymills. I myself bought my first yorkie ten years ago from a byb. She is now a small puppymill. He died this past summer from a rare cancer. Cancer is cancer but I believe with all my heart that his bad breeding had a lot to do with it. He also suffered from genetic problems etc. He was a great dog and a good boy. Loving. I made a mistake. I didn't know any better. He is what brought me to fighting the mills, the byb, bad breeders and petstores. Noel who is 4 years old is one of my rescues. She came from the same person that my Newman came from. We now believe that this person was not only a byb, now a small puppymill but that she also brokered dogs from the Amish. Noel I believe was one of those dogs. When we got her she was bleeding rectally, had been beaten and was an emotional wreck and she stunk. She stunk so bad we had to drive with the windows open. The stench stayed with her for at least a month or more and that was after bath after bath. It took 6 months before my husband could touch her. She wasn't aggressive. She was petrified. It took up till this year before she would let a stranger approach her. New people in the house would drive her to hide behind the washer, cowere behind the washer and tremble. She's come a long way, but she is the reason I fight. She and Newman are what drive me to shut these places down. PLEASE CONTINUET TO JOIN OUR FIGHT AND TELL YOUR STORY AND EDUCATE.

Thank you again for your story.

Elaine (mom to 5 - 4 of which were rescues)

[TeddyandTiffy]

There are a few ppl that have great myspace pages totally about puppymills, check those out.

I've done made my mind up I'm putting something on myspace page & my web site about Puppy Mills, thanks for U're advice.


I also am not Amish and can't honestly say I knew that much about them, but in the last year I have learned more than I ever wanted to know, I purchased a puppy from an Amish puppy mill, not knowingly of course. It is located in the York/Lancaster area of Pennsylvania. We bred that dog with our male Yorkie and the puppies were born with a terrible disease called hypotrichosis. This disease is quite rare and causes, at the very least, baldness on their heads and abdomens and can have other even worse problems associated with it.

I am so so sorry for what U've been through, this just isn't right for them to do this to people I just don't understand how they can sleep at night. Was U're puppy a Yorkie? (No we won't down U if it was, mistakes happen.)

I had to do a lot of research but finally tracked down that the person I bought the dog from had purchased the puppy from these people. The Amish look at these dogs as a way to make money, they are not pets by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not saying that making money is bad, just they don't seem to comprehend what they are doing is wrong. I'm assuming because that is the nature of their beliefs.

I just don't see how they can't comprehend what they are doing is wrong, down deep in their hearts they can't see it as wrong? I mean some of these dogs are out in the weather not in heated or central air buildings, dirty water, no food, filth, walking in their pee and poo, no room to turn around in their dens that's what I call their cages. I mean how in the world could anyone in their right mind not know this isn't wrong? Hauling them in Tractor trailers from State to State, in hot or cold trailers. I find this as NO excuse to treat any DOG this way.


I contacted state and county organizations, the ACA, and everyone else I could think of along the way.

Can I ask who U contacted? If U don't want to post it here U can PM with it.


In the end, I got every cent back I paid for our female and they agreed to spay the dam so she would have no more puppies with that disease. The breeders gave that dam to a rescue that called me to report they had been given the dog and the spaying was completed. At least she will get a good home.

Well at least some dogs was brought out of this & saved from this horriable mess!


The sad, sad, part of this is NO ONE can or will put these Amish breeders out of business. The man could never understand through all this, ending only on the day we were to go to court why I was so emotional over......a dog (his words). He just kept wanting to "give me another one."

I don't know why they won't put them out of Business, I mean there HAS to be a WAY!!! I know I'm gonna see what I can do in any way I can to help this not go on at least here in my State.

Now mind U if it was ME that had a business such as theirs with DOGS then U can bet U're bottom dollar I'd be put out of business and setting my butt in jail and all my dogs would be taken away from me. How can this keep going on, what is people afraid of with them? I don't get it at all.

The experience was horrible and my only advice, is never deal with an Amish breeder, even if it doesn't look like a puppy mill. They are incapable of thinking about these dogs as we do. As I said, I got my money, but I was left with my beautiful girl carrying a disease and 3 puppies with this disease and more heartbreak and confusion than any money could ever make up for. I apologize in advance if I have offended anyone who know the Amish, but having gone through this I have earned the right to my opinion.

I can't even start to think what U went through and my heart truely goes out to U. I'm glad U did get somethings resolved tho. I do feel for U and others out here (Just wish others would come forward with their experiences) that have been done this way & Yes U have earned U're right to U're opinion. I wish U the best of luck with U're baby.

I will tell you, that I have a friend in PA that does Rescue, and she says the Amish are the absolute worst puppymillers in the country.

Sheila

Isn't this sad tho, I mean it seem as tho it's so unreal but it is so Real.

I don't care if it is a dog, or a goat, or chicken or a rat, they should be treated humanely and the US Government needs to step in and close these places down and make it a crime to keep any animals in this condition.


I feel the same as U do (Maybe not so much on the rat part, I'm scared to death of them & mice ) but I do think that if they have animals of any sort they should be taken care of even pigs, I know that would be hard but at least remove their poo and pee, give them shelters, clean the chicken coops, put the goat in a green paster as long with horses. And yes they need shut down!!

Teddy and Timmy. Thank you for posting this. I asked YT if we could add a sticky regarding mills and I offered to keep the updatin up, but have not heard anything. Thank you again for posting.

U're welcome, after reading what I've read and seeing what I've seen in my State alone I had to do something, I mean this isn't right no matter what others think. I just don't understand how in the world they aren't getting shut down. Don't make any sense to me.


Many of us without knowing better bought dogs from petstores, byb, bad breeders or puppymills. I myself bought my first yorkie ten years ago from a byb. She is now a small puppymill. He died this past summer from a rare cancer. Cancer is cancer but I believe with all my heart that his bad breeding had a lot to do with it. He also suffered from genetic problems etc. He was a great dog and a good boy. Loving. I made a mistake. I didn't know any better. He is what brought me to fighting the mills, the byb, bad breeders and petstores. Noel who is 4 years old is one of my rescues. She came from the same person that my Newman came from. We now believe that this person was not only a byb, now a small puppymill but that she also brokered dogs from the Amish. Noel I believe was one of those dogs. When we got her she was bleeding rectally, had been beaten and was an emotional wreck and she stunk. She stunk so bad we had to drive with the windows open. The stench stayed with her for at least a month or more and that was after bath after bath. It took 6 months before my husband could touch her. She wasn't aggressive. She was petrified. It took up till this year before she would let a stranger approach her. New people in the house would drive her to hide behind the washer, cowere behind the washer and tremble.

Maybe his cancer was from bad breeding?? Isn't it so sad and heartbreaking to see her in this shape to know what she may of went through before U got her. I feel for her and U. I didn't get any of my Yorkies from any pet stores but I don't have to in order to have a heart that is breaking to see and hear all this. I wish U the best of luck with U're doll. Is there any way U can shut this person down?

She's come a long way, but she is the reason I fight. She and Newman are what drive me to shut these places down. PLEASE CONTINUET TO JOIN OUR FIGHT AND TELL YOUR STORY AND EDUCATE.

Well I too now will fight tooth and nail!! This has to stop and people have to know what is going on. Not just sweep this under the rug or turn the other way.

I apologize in advance if I have offended anyone by what I've said, but my heart says say it and I have to follow my heart. Hope everyone will understand.

[Ples]

In answer to some of the questions in the thread above, yes, the puppy I purchased was a Yorkie. She was registered ACA, which I realize is questionable, but I thought at the time they had some guidelines. I found out later, they do not. This organization would not work with me at all. I wanted them to not register any more of the breeder's dogs, filled out all the paperwork they required, got my vet to write a letter, all to no avail. this organization could care less. I bought the puppy from a lady in Gettysburg, PA, who I thought bred the dog. Of course I found out later she was getting some of her puppies from this Amish breeder to up her profits. I contacted the town of Gettysburg, the county, and was able to learn that in PA all kennels/breeders should be registered with the Pa Dept of Agriculture. I contacted them and although they listened, they more or less told me they could do nothing. I had recourse in civil court, but they were not able to shut down these Amish breeders. To be honest, all I really understood was I heard a lot of double talk and no actual explanations about why they could do nothing. I honestly believe that PA does not want to take on the Amish. As someone else said, they think of these puppies as livestock. Every animal in their possession serves a purpose of some kind, no pets. That is what they believe. I am a strong believer in freedom of religion, but when it involves the lives of puppies, I fail to see how that involves religion, but evidently it does.

I still have my beautiful Joy who is the carrier of the hypotrichosis and one of her puppies. I was able to find people who wanted my other 2 very "unique" babies and they have given them wonderful homes. My male Yorkie was bought from an AKC registered breeder in TN. We traveled down there to pick him up and when we decided to get Joy we bought from the lady in PA mainly because it was so much closer. I know that if Joy is a carrier of this disease that there's a very good likelihood that they have other dogs they are breeding and selling that have health problems and the sad part is people will buy from them and in all probability go through some of the same heartbreak I have. I found this web site while searching for information on the disease Joy carries. I wish I had found it first, I would have been better educated and maybe avoided my mistake. This is a wonderful place to find information. I thank each and every person who takes the time to pass on information and advice that we can all learn from.

[mrlmonroe]

This whole thing makes me so sad I feel physically sick when I look at it all.....

Poor babies......my heart cries for all of them.....

[BakersDozen]

I still do not really understand how their view of animals leads to such cruel mistreatment. It is one thing to view all animals as livestock....though I do not share this view, I can understand why they might feel that way. And again, though I do not agree with it, it is not cruel mistreatment to keep a dog (or any animal) healthy, outside in adequate shelter and with adequate food and water....much as they would care for other livestock. This is the treatment I would expect from someone who views them as livestock--not as loving as I would prefer, but not abuse either. But there is a giant leap from this to the cruel mistreatment I have read about.
Either all their livestock is subjected to this cruelty, or they must view dogs as being lower than the other livestock.

Of course, this is just my opinion....I am just having a hard time understanding how their views lead to this behavior.

[cesar49]

Originally Posted by TeddyandTiffy

After some of the thoughts here on some of the Puppy Mills that we’ve been having here on YT, I got to wondering just what was here in my own State (Indiana) that I live in.

Below is a list of what I’ve come across and it’s is so sad to know this is happening so close to my City (Seymour, Indiana) that I live in.

Please keep in mind this is my OPO of these.

I have nothing against the Amish. (Please know I’m not in no way against them and the way they live except for the way they treat their Dogs of any Breed & Puppies of any Breed. & Should anyone here at YT be Amish then please know this is not directed toward U in any way.)

I just never ever in a Million Years would of thought that they would do this to Dogs, I mean I thought they was the perfect people from all I had view on TV, seen here in our State & read about. But after reading all this here at “Pet Shop Puppies” about what great lengths the Amish here in this article went through to hide and keep this going it amazed me how they are determined to keep the income flowing and put theses precious dogs through this!

I feel I have to get involved in this some how. I thought about putting something about Puppy Mills and Puppy Pipe Lines on myspace page & on my own website to try to educate people on this. Do U guys here on YT think it would be wrong for me to do this?

I’ve showed my oldest daughter all this too & do U know that she had a dream last night about a girl saying I ran a puppy mill because I allowed Tiffanie (Our Yorkie) to whelp in her whelping box (A tote) in her dream she stood up for me & our Yorkies & ended up knocking the girl out in her dream, so this must be on her mind too!

This is why our Clyde was adopted to his new parents, his adoptive parents went to this Pet Store in our City to find a puppy and came here and boy did they have some thoughts on this Pet Store, they tried to push them into buying a puppy, they wouldn’t let them go into the back where “All” the puppies was, they said it smelled so bad in there, the place was filthy, the 1st thing she said to her husband when they came through our Yorkie Room door was “See this is how a place that has puppies should smell and how it should be clean”. I never thought much about it then so now after me finding out more on these places I begin putting 2 and 2 together. I’m gonna try to find out if this Pet Store is still here in our City.

Please keep in mind that some of these sites that I came across that has photos and videos are VERY VERY GRAPHIC!!! Please be aware of some of the sites that U may view and please know that some of these sites are not for the WEAK!!!

(My stomach turned, I got cold chills, my hands flew over my mouth at what I saw & yes I bawled like a baby viewing all this!!!)


http://www.petshoppuppies.org/Indiana1.htm

I do have to tell U "Some images are Very GRAPHIC" on this site. Please read it all the way through, it does have some good information about what to look for if U do go to buy a Puppy from a Pet Store. I read through the whole site (Took me a long time) & clicked on each and every thing there was to click on.

It's about Indiana Amish Puppy Mills, which I never knew of and now I do!!! This is 83.4 miles from my house. The Bloomfield, Indiana is 71 miles from my house. Columbus, Indiana is 28 Minutes from my house. (At this Animal World in Columbus, Indiana, I seen somewhere on the internet (Can’t find it now, thought I book marked it) that they are buying puppies from Tractor Trailers these puppies are hauled to Indiana from Missouri.


Indiana Puppy Pipelines (I never ever knew this was another word for Puppy Mills until I started looking into this in Indiana)


WTHR - Indiana's Puppy Pipeline Part 1
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2308311

WTHR - Indiana's Puppy Pipeline Part 2
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2308362/7255018

WTHR - Indiana's Puppy Pipeline Part 3
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2308403/7255152

Indiana Amish Puppy Mill
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2303502/7242336

Indiana Pet Stores Exposed
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2303366/7241930


http://www.pet-abuse.com/pages/cruelty_laws.php

" U.S. Cruelty Laws Felony Vs Misdemeanor" (Just scroll down the page to view U're States) (It does have a Crime Database!!)

Old Address (My daughter said they was shut down! And we got to searching and we don’t know if they are or not, I tried to call the phone # but it is out of order but I do know the address is changed on the Internet, my girls said they would try to find this "Animal World" in Columbus to see if it is shut down or not)


Animal World
(812) 372-0003
1825 Central Ave
Columbus, IN

New address
Animal World
1301 California St
Columbus, IN 47201-5842
Phone: (812) 372-0003

thank you for all this great information.. i am going to find some names and addresses myself.. here in ohio.. i will be posting this information.. thanks for helping the puppies in indiana. posting this type of information could help
stop cruelty to these p oor animals

[littlelady]

I have been trying to find a breeder in Indiana, how do I do that. His name is Roy Miller.I had bout a puppy from a pet store, the littler owners name was Jason Zehr I hve his address as 9333 Ricker road Grabill Indiana 467-9734.

all the puppies ate the pet store had a cough, but not to bad, the puppy had coccidia in his stool or got it shortly after coming home , my female I already had, had to be treated. all the dogs had been seen by a vet recently and had shots for Bordetela.
I loved my dog. He was hit by a car and killed. I wanted to try and get ahold of the breeder to try and get another dog. I lost one of my children. Buddy jumped off the floor in my arms everyday I came home. He got away from my son and chased a chip monk or ground squirrel in to the road and into the side of car. He broke his neck instantly. My son who was 5 saw him laying in the road and proceeded out to get him. A school bus had seen the dog get hit and had started to stop and stopped before coming up to Buddy or the day would have had a horrible ending. the car just drove on. We had a funeral for our dog and my daughter placed a cross over his grave. buddy was really her dog and she goes out to the grave daily. I have tried to contact this breeder but without success. After seeing this . it makes me wonder if these names are legit or alias's . If you have any advice for how to find them. I would appreciate it. I am going to post complaints and write complaints as to what is happening to these dogs for money. It is horrible.

[Nancy1999]

Would a place be considered a puppy mill if a vet owned it?

[cataholic]

Last summer some Amish people were coming from PA to VA to sell their puppies at our local flea market. My partner and I made them leave because the puppies were sick and their health certificates had run out. They were not very nice and we told them if they came back with sick puppies we would make them leave again. We had several complaints about people buying sick puppies from them. One puppy had to be put down. People started stopping payments on their checks so they stopped taking checks. I wish we could have taken the puppies but the law would not allow it. I told them to go back to PA and I was calling the other local flea markets so don't bother going there. So far they have not come back this year. I don't think they apreciated us interupting their business. While we were there 2 people saw us and asked us what was going on. They had just bought puppies. They told the Amish man they wanted their money back and did not want the puppies. I felt so bad for the puppies. I really hate puppy mills!