Let's discuss the intent / direction of this section

[ladyjane]

I cannot imagine banning people from a forum just because they sell things.

[chattiesmom]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

All I can say is "wow". To suggest that people are just complaining instead of really caring about the direction of the forum? I honestly think that is patently unfair.

I am one who complained" (although I felt I was "reporting") and for what I consider very valid reasons. I did not do it because I have issues with any of the people who posted in this forum...I do think that many of the postings were advertisements and my understanding was that people who sell are not allowed to do that. They were not my competition so it had nothing to do with that either. I just saw something that I felt could be a potential problem for the forum and reported it...I did not see it as complaining.

Hope maybe you can take the time to understand that when people hit the exclamation button it is often because they think what they are saying is feedback for the good of the forum.

I do understand the intent and purpose of the little triangle and have used it on many occasions, especially in some of the more controversial Forums.

How wonderful of you Ann to give of your precious time to solve this issue.

Hummm, I said thread NOT post! You entirely misunderstood my POST! I was referring to Ann's statement about questions she had fielded several months ago regarding threads. I was not aware of these threads, I was busily trying to recover from major surgery. In fact I went back through the Fashion Forum and looked for threads that may have been overtly marketing, and found a few. It simply doesn't matter to me who complains about what. I would like to think that most people who complain have a genuine complaint about the thread/post, but I do know that some complain simply because they don't like the poster and want to cause conflict.

I have been on YT long enough to understand that there are many personality quirks and conflicts and my comments directed towards Ann's post simply reflected that personality conflicts can and do influence how people post.

To set the record straight, I have used the little triangle button to report THREADS and POSTS that were specifically for marketing a product that were posted outside of the "Selling Forums".

I am going to refrain from posting pictures in this forum - and limit my forays here to sightseeing

[chattiesmom]

Originally Posted by kjc

Just thinking... being that the 'For Sale' forum is a place for Vendors to showcase their wares... should this forum be restricted to non-vendors?

Then we need to define non-vendor... one who doesn't sell, or has sold less than XX number of items... it is nice to post and item either way to get a feel for how that item will do on the market, or to get constructive criticism to tweak the item before offering it for sale... IDK!

Or just post pics of clothes made not intended for sale... or buyers only postings.

I agree with you 100%. I would define non-vendor as an absolute. Someone who never and and never has the right to sell in the future. That would completely solve the issue and would allow all YT to enjoy the fashions made and bought by the YT membership. The vendors have the For Sale Forums.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by chattiesmom

Hummm, I said thread NOT post! You entirely misunderstood my POST! I was referring to Ann's statement about questions she had fielded several months ago regarding threads. I was not aware of these threads, I was busily trying to recover from major surgery. In fact I went back through the Fashion Forum and looked for threads that may have been overtly marketing, and found a few. It simply doesn't matter to me who complains about what. I would like to think that most people who complain have a genuine complaint about the thread/post, but I do know that some complain simply because they don't like the poster and want to cause conflict.

I have been on YT long enough to understand that there are many personality quirks and conflicts and my comments directed towards Ann's post simply reflected that personality conflicts can and do influence how people post.

To set the record straight, I have used the little triangle button to report THREADS and POSTS that were specifically for marketing a product that were posted outside of the "Selling Forums".

I am going to refrain from posting pictures in this forum - and limit my forays here to sightseeing

I realize that you were talking about Ann's post and I took her post to say that she did not see anything on these threads on this forum as out of line or a problem. So....I took it as you thought that as well....and I thought you meant that no one should have reported OR that they were having a bad day if they did.

If I misunderstood you, I apologize.

I think you should post pics in this forum since it seems it is open season now! No reason to sightsee! Have at it I say! Here Here!

[chattiesmom]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I realize that you were talking about Ann's post and I took her post to say that she did not see anything on these threads on this forum as out of line or a problem. So....I took it as you thought that as well....and I thought you meant that no one should have reported OR that they were having a bad day if they did.

If I misunderstood you, I apologize.

I think you should post pics in this forum since it seems it is open season now! No reason to sightsee! Have at it I say! Here Here!

Thank you, LadyJane. I, too apologize for any offense I might have caused. I think I'll just stick to sightseeing. No problem in that. KJC was 100% correct about vendors already having a venue to showcase their fashions - in the "For Sale Forums".

I try to avoid conflict at all costs and do my absolute best to follow YT rules. I see that this may become a "hot spot", so I'll stick to what I feel is best for me.

ps...I agree with you that anything posted here can result as a request for a custom made item, so if I post a picture here it could be considered subtle advertising.

[gemy]

Well that was interesting. I kind (of) new we had a fashion forum, as I pass it by on my way further down the list.

I don't think I've ever visited it. LOL. I just thought it was for neat ideas people had, or things that they had seen, or pics of their pups all dressed up in the "latest" clothing YOrkie craze' which I really don't know too much about.

Now if you had a Working Gear, Gadgets, Harnesses, Protective Clothing, INteractive toy forum; I'd be a visiting:-) I'm particularly interested in that bug repellent gizmo you put on your belt....

I know from other threads in other places, we have a whole lot of talented ladies on board, and I've certainly enjoyed seeing pics of their Yorkies in My Yorkie Pics, or videos etc.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by chattiesmom

Thank you, LadyJane. I, too apologize for any offense I might have caused. I think I'll just stick to sightseeing. No problem in that. KJC was 100% correct about vendors already having a venue to showcase their fashions - in the "For Sale Forums".

I try to avoid conflict at all costs and do my absolute best to follow YT rules. I see that this may become a "hot spot", so I'll stick to what I feel is best for me.

I hear ya! That is why I really have not really posted much in this forum...I have been making new dresses for YHR but figured I will eventually just list them in the Sale threads. I had posted the one, but then rethought posting any more of them.
I guess I will go back to wearing my spectator lenses.

[kjc]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I cannot imagine banning people from a forum just because they sell things.

Haha! Not banning... just like if I am not selling anything I wouldn't be posting in the seller's forum, other than to say I like something...

[Perrella]

Originally Posted by chattiesmom

A simple solution would be to respond by private message to any request made about an item in this forum that is related to selling.

Unless all photographs are banned from YT there is no way to prevent inquiries regarding buying. If I see something that really WOWs me I never hesitate to contact via pm the person posting the item.

SO if vendors want to post new or special fashions here in the Fashion Forum don't make any overt reference to selling and respond to all queries by pm then it would help maintain the intent of the forum.

Sounds like the perfect solution to me

[kjc]

Originally Posted by Perrella

Sounds like the perfect solution to me

Yes but then some people might forget about PMs and just post in the thread...

Personally, I don't look in the For Sale forum bc I never intend to buy anything... if I did I would go there more often. I don't mind seeing new dresses and stuff in the FF posted by everyone/anyone. I look at stuff in the fashion forum differently, more like art than something for sale in a shop... weird I know...

Why was the Fashion forum created anyway? I'm glad it was. Lol. Easier to see clothing on pups all in one place....

[Perrella]

Originally Posted by kjc

Yes but then some people might forget about PMs and just post in the thread...

Personally, I don't look in the For Sale forum bc I never intend to buy anything... if I did I would go there more often. I don't mind seeing new dresses and stuff in the FF posted by everyone/anyone. I look at stuff in the fashion forum differently, more like art than something for sale in a shop... weird I know...

Why was the Fashion forum created anyway? I'm glad it was. Lol. Easier to see clothing on pups all in one place....

That's true, perhaps if someone starts questioning a maker/seller they can just reply with "send me a PM to discuss" or whatever.

I personally LOVE the fashion forum and don't want to lose it....seeing all the little sweet pups in their pretty duds, always makes me smile

[DBlain]

Originally Posted by kjc

Yes but then some people might forget about PMs and just post in the thread...

Personally, I don't look in the For Sale forum bc I never intend to buy anything... if I did I would go there more often. I don't mind seeing new dresses and stuff in the FF posted by everyone/anyone. I look at stuff in the fashion forum differently, more like art than something for sale in a shop... weird I know...

Why was the Fashion forum created anyway? I'm glad it was. Lol. Easier to see clothing on pups all in one place....

That's me to a tee, I never think of going in the for sale section because I really don't need something, then I see something I really want and then ask if I can buy it. That happened when I bought the dress from you, which LOL I keep on forgetting to send you the check for, so I guess I did not buy it yet. I also bought the Daddy's girl dress when I saw either Sherry or someone else post it here. And then if Amyee did not post something about a craft or so forth I would never have thought to ask if she could make a custom card for me. So I guess that's why I as strictly a looker not a seller hate to see this change.

And Lady Jane, I wish you would post any fashions you have done or are thinking of doing here because I would love to see and even buy your stuff, and would probably miss it otherwise, I still think Yorkie rescues that have all their profits go to their organization should post stuff for sale for free or not be restricted to somewhere that a potential customer that is really not in the market for something might miss it, because there is no one I would rather buy from or support. Come on guys, Kathy and I can't be the only ones that bought on impulse when not technically shopping

[ladyjane]

I don't think that YHR should have any special priveleges with regards to selling. YT has been very good to rescue and I honestly don't feel there are any uncalled for restrictions.

We have a website and we can post that on here....It is often my error in not posting some of the things. Just not enough time in a day.

[Yorkiemom1]

Well........I'm lost!

[Mom to Hot Rod]

Originally Posted by DBlain

That's me to a tee, I never think of going in the for sale section because I really don't need something, then I see something I really want and then ask if I can buy it. That happened when I bought the dress from you, which LOL I keep on forgetting to send you the check for, so I guess I did not buy it yet. I also bought the Daddy's girl dress when I saw either Sherry or someone else post it here. And then if Amyee did not post something about a craft or so forth I would never have thought to ask if she could make a custom card for me. So I guess that's why I as strictly a looker not a seller hate to see this change.

And Lady Jane, I wish you would post any fashions you have done or are thinking of doing here because I would love to see and even buy your stuff, and would probably miss it otherwise, I still think Yorkie rescues that have all their profits go to their organization should post stuff for sale for free or not be restricted to somewhere that a potential customer that is really not in the market for something might miss it, because there is no one I would rather buy from or support. Come on guys, Kathy and I can't be the only ones that bought on impulse when not technically shopping

I usually do not visit this forum as I like to make sure that my ideas are my ideas. It's is refreshing to see so much talent happening in this section but as I've highlighted above, this is exactly what this discussion is about. As a vendor on YT, I follow the rules of the For Sale section...I've been reprimanded (rightly so) as I've overstepped in that section and didn't realize it but I've not done it since either.

As a vendor on YT, I feel that there is a venue for selling, the For Sale Forum; there are rules to follow. Yes, the Sellers Review and Feedback Forum is another venue for the seller to possibly get new customers as you can make a comment in those threads, however, I don't recall ever seeing this abused.

As for showing fashions that our babies wear, I kinda thought that was what the Pictures and Videos forums were for. There is nothing wrong with showing the fashions in the Fashion Forum, but as highlighted above, this is the problem. I say that the Fashion Forum be limited to only showing fashions that are made for only one's own dogs, not for commercial purposes.

For those who may not be aware of the rules in the For Sale Forum, a seller is limited 2 threads a week as well as they are only allowed 1 bump in the thread. Sellers can only respond specifically to a question posed in the thread and may not have people "bump" their threads for them.

One solution might be that if someone wanted to solict something from someone, maybe the seller should be required to have a For Sale Thread in the For Sale Forum that the customer is referred to. This might alleviate a lot of the gray lines. There is no way to ever stop or police all the backdoor selling. If sellers all have the same rules and policies to abide by, then this should help level the selling field to a point. I don't know if this is feasible or not but I think it would help to keep the forums from getting muddled.