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Old 08-18-2010, 06:15 PM   #61
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Ladies, I think this is our cue to bow out. We shared what we could, but the OP has decided to learn the hard way. We must respect her decision. She wants a dog that will grow up with issues, then so be it. FYI, OP a dog from a kennel has issues.

Meghan, I pray to God your baby ends up being happy and healthy. I hope he/she is everything you wanted her to be. I also hope you have a nice big savings account for your new baby. Even a happy, healthy, and well socialized yorkie costs money, one from a place as what you described will cost even more. No, this is not opinon, there are statistics and plenty of posts in the sick and injured forum to back up my statement.

I also want you to know that although you are going about getting a puppy in the worst possible way, when you run into trouble, YT will be here to help you out.

One last thing, I'm a shelter volunteer with the spcaLA. None of "my" shelter dogs are ever smelly and gross. Nor do they live in teeny tiny kennels; when they stay with us while they wait for adoptions. I'm a groomer for them and I groom ALL the shelter dogs. No matter the size, breed, or coat type, they get washed, cut, and brushed so they can always look their best.
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Wow you people should calm down! I really appreciate all this advise but i talked to her and I also searched her up an she seems really reliable on what i found out about her except that she does sell to some pet stores but that's none of your business whether she does that or not. Her testimonials all sounded like the puppies were very good and taken care of and almost all of them said that their puppy smelled great and that they were groomed nicely unlike some other breeders they've bought from! Also one of them said that her kennels were very well kept and the fact that she allows people to come in a check out the kennels makes it seem to me that they should be in good shape also it said that all the dogs looked healthy and happy and that they trusted her with their puppy! I don't think its any of yours business of stating your opinions about were I'm getting my puppy and that I should buy from a shelter because were do you think most of those dogs come from a puppy mill, so they will be ungroomed and smelly too and I did look at shelters first and none of them in my area had any dog that would fit my lifestyle and where and how I am getting my dog is my business and i started this post not to get overexcited people to start posting on telling me not to get a dog from somewhere that they think is bad which is wrong of you to do that, that harsh when after the moment i saw it and fell in love and already put money down on it have people criticize me for trying to adopt my first family puppy but i put it up so that people could appreciate and feel happy that someone s adopting a puppy for their family and have a few questions! i can't believe how far some of you will go and it's kind of disturbing and this site was put up so that people with yorkies or a mix of a yorkie could just nicely share stories about there dogs or any questions that they had but to you people you get far to into and post rude and hurtful comments and it sometimes go way to far! ...but thanks for your help and advise but i am going to get my puppy because she deserves a loving home just as much as another puppy from anywhere else!!!
Deja Vu....RachelandSadie where are you!?!?!? This girl needs your hard earned insight!!!

I have an adorable maltipoo, he was totally free. Didn't cost a dime. Mixed breeds are mutts, mistakes. I don't understand why anyone would pay an exorbitant amount of money for a mutt. Why would you not look in your own neck of the woods instead of half way across country. Did you read that recent article about the poor puppies that died in transit?
Mixed breeds don't only grow in the Midwest. You cannot come onto an open forum, talk about things that go against our very core and then expect us not to give opinions. Accepting those opinions graciously requires a certain level of maturity that you evidently do not wish to display. You cannot learn without an open mind and we cannot celebrate what we know to be the perpetuation of an inherent wrong.
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Yes she does it says that in the contract if the puppy is no longer in a condition that it can still be your healthy pet within a year that she can take it back and refund it with a new puppy of the same breed no cost.
What about after a year. A good breeder will take the dog back at any time in any condition.

After all she created that life, she is responsible for it.
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What about after a year. A good breeder will take the dog back at any time in any condition.

After all she created that life, she is responsible for it.
A good breeder doesn't leave their dogs in kennels and breed multiple breeds and all kinds of mixes! Nor do they sell to pet stores or anyone and everyone!
So I think we already have this breeders number!
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umm did you not read what i just wrote???I don't want to hear anything that's negative against my decisions its none of your business!! : 0
Sorry, you asked a question on a public forum, and you are going to get honest answers. If you only want "congratulations for helping out another puppy mill stay in business" then you posted on the wrong forum.

The Yorkie owners (the majority of them) on this forum are very informative and helpful. They were trying to warn you about this kennel. But, there is none so blind as those that will not see.
You made up your mind that you did not care that you were supporting puppy mills and were going to go ahead and buy this puppy rather than look for a reputable breeder to buy a puppy from. I only hope you are able to afford all the vet bills you will most likely have following your decision.

I had puppy mill rescues for 10 years. It is heartbreaking knowing the life they had before they were taken into rescue. Yet, I can almost guarantee that the people that bought puppies from these puppy mills thought that the breeders were great, that the puppies would be great and they would be getting a lovely, healthy puppy.
This is the article on this one puppy mill:
Pet-Abuse.Com - Animal Abuse Case Details: Puppy mill - 400 poodles - Tampa, FL (US)
Not only were there over 400 poodles, there were Yorkies and dachshunds as well. I took in some of the dachshunds - when I found out about the rescues, someone had already rescued the Yorkies and a friend talked me into helping with the dachshunds.
Many of them had heartworms! One of them actually died within a few weeks of me getting her because her heartworms were so bad the vet couldn't save her. Everyone of the rescues had problems. Ginger had a club foot, and could only run around on three legs. Nutmeg, when I got her had a tag on her that said "435", it was her number at the puppy mill! Who would love the dogs they breed from and just give them a number?????
I could go on and on about puppy mills, but I would be wasting my breath. You have already made up your mind. I will keep you and your morkie in my prayers as you will need them.
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I don't remember much of the place where I was born. It was cramped and dark, and we were never played with by the Humans. I remember Mom and her soft fur, but she was often sick, and very thin. She had hardly any milk for me and my brothers and sisters. I remember many of them dying, and I missed them so.

I remember the day I was taken from Mom. I was so sad and scared, my milk teeth had only just come in, and I really should have been with Mom still, but she was so sick, and the Humans kept saying that they wanted their money and were sick of the "mess" that me and my sister made.

So we were crated up and taken to a strange place. Just the two of us. We huddled together and were scared, still no Human hands came to pet or love us. So many sights and sounds and smells! We are in a store where there are many different animals! Some that squawk! Some that meow! Some that peep! My sister and I are jammed into a small cage. I hear other puppies here. I see Humans look at me through the glass. I like the "little humans", the kids. They look so sweet, and fun, like they would play with me! All day we stay in the small cage, sometimes mean people will hit the glass and frighten us, every once in a while we are taken out to be held or shown to humans. Some are gentle, some hurt us, we always hear "Aw they are so cute! I want one!" but we never get to go with any of them.

My sister died last night, when the store was dark. I lay my head on her soft fur and felt the life leave her small thin body. I had heard them say she was sick, and that I should be sold at a "discount price" so that I would quickly leave the store. I think my soft whine was the only one that mourned for her as her body was taken out of the cage in the morning and dumped.

Today, a family came and bought me! Oh happy day! They are a nice family, they really, really wanted me! They had bought a dish and food and the little girl held me so tenderly in her arms. I love her so much! The mom and dad say what a sweet and good puppy I am! I am named Angel. I love to lick my new Humans! The family takes such good care of me, they are loving and tender and sweet. They gently teach me right and wrong, give me good food, and lots of love! I want only to please these wonderful people! I love the little girl and I enjoy running and playing with her.

Today I went to the veterinarian. It was a strange place and I was frightened. I got some shots, but my best friend the little girl held me softly and said it would be okay. So I relaxed. The vet must have said sad words to my beloved family, because they looked awfully sad. I heard Severe Hip Dysplasia, and something about my heart... I heard the vet say something about back yard breeders and my parents not being tested. I know not what any of that means, just that it hurts me to see my family so sad. But they still love me, and I still love them very much!

I am six months old now. Where most other puppies are robust and rowdy, it hurts me terribly just to move. The pain never lets up. It hurts to run and play with my beloved little girl, and I find it hard to breathe. I keep trying my best to be the strong pup I know I am supposed to be, but it is so hard. It breaks my heart to see the little girl so sad, and to hear the Mom and Dad talk about it might now be "the time." Several times I have went to that veterinarians place, and the news is never good. Always talk about Congenital Problems. I just want to feel the warm sunshine and run, and play and nuzzle with my family.

Last night was the worst. Pain has been my constant companion now, it hurts even to get up and get a drink. I try to get up but can only whine in pain. I am taken in the car one last time. Everyone is so sad, and I don't know why. Have I been bad? I try to be good and loving-what have I done wrong? Oh if only this pain would be gone! If only I could soothe the tears of the little girl. I reach out my muzzle to lick her hand, but can only whine in pain.

The veterinarian’s table is so cold. I am so frightened. The Humans all hug and love me.They cry into my soft fur. I can feel their love and sadness. I manage to lick softly their hands. Even the vet doesn't seem so scary today. He is gentle and I sense some kind of relief for my pain. The little girl holds me softly and I thank her, for giving me all her love. I feel a soft pinch in my foreleg. The pain is beginning to lift, I am beginning to feel a peace descend upon me. I can now softly lick her hand.

My vision is becoming dreamlike now, and I see my Mother and my brothers and sisters, in a far off green place. They tell me there is no pain there, only peace and happiness. I tell the family goodbye in the only way I know how-a soft wag of my tail and a nuzzle of my nose. I had hoped to spend many, many moons with them, but it was not meant to be. "You see," said the veterinarian, "Pet shop puppies do not come from ethical breeders." The pain ends now, and I know it will be many years until I see my beloved family again. If only things could have been different.
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I don't remember much of the place where I was born. It was cramped and dark, and we were never played with by the Humans. I remember Mom and her soft fur, but she was often sick, and very thin. She had hardly any milk for me and my brothers and sisters. I remember many of them dying, and I missed them so.

I remember the day I was taken from Mom. I was so sad and scared, my milk teeth had only just come in, and I really should have been with Mom still, but she was so sick, and the Humans kept saying that they wanted their money and were sick of the "mess" that me and my sister made.

So we were crated up and taken to a strange place. Just the two of us. We huddled together and were scared, still no Human hands came to pet or love us. So many sights and sounds and smells! We are in a store where there are many different animals! Some that squawk! Some that meow! Some that peep! My sister and I are jammed into a small cage. I hear other puppies here. I see Humans look at me through the glass. I like the "little humans", the kids. They look so sweet, and fun, like they would play with me! All day we stay in the small cage, sometimes mean people will hit the glass and frighten us, every once in a while we are taken out to be held or shown to humans. Some are gentle, some hurt us, we always hear "Aw they are so cute! I want one!" but we never get to go with any of them.

My sister died last night, when the store was dark. I lay my head on her soft fur and felt the life leave her small thin body. I had heard them say she was sick, and that I should be sold at a "discount price" so that I would quickly leave the store. I think my soft whine was the only one that mourned for her as her body was taken out of the cage in the morning and dumped.

Today, a family came and bought me! Oh happy day! They are a nice family, they really, really wanted me! They had bought a dish and food and the little girl held me so tenderly in her arms. I love her so much! The mom and dad say what a sweet and good puppy I am! I am named Angel. I love to lick my new Humans! The family takes such good care of me, they are loving and tender and sweet. They gently teach me right and wrong, give me good food, and lots of love! I want only to please these wonderful people! I love the little girl and I enjoy running and playing with her.

Today I went to the veterinarian. It was a strange place and I was frightened. I got some shots, but my best friend the little girl held me softly and said it would be okay. So I relaxed. The vet must have said sad words to my beloved family, because they looked awfully sad. I heard Severe Hip Dysplasia, and something about my heart... I heard the vet say something about back yard breeders and my parents not being tested. I know not what any of that means, just that it hurts me to see my family so sad. But they still love me, and I still love them very much!

I am six months old now. Where most other puppies are robust and rowdy, it hurts me terribly just to move. The pain never lets up. It hurts to run and play with my beloved little girl, and I find it hard to breathe. I keep trying my best to be the strong pup I know I am supposed to be, but it is so hard. It breaks my heart to see the little girl so sad, and to hear the Mom and Dad talk about it might now be "the time." Several times I have went to that veterinarians place, and the news is never good. Always talk about Congenital Problems. I just want to feel the warm sunshine and run, and play and nuzzle with my family.

Last night was the worst. Pain has been my constant companion now, it hurts even to get up and get a drink. I try to get up but can only whine in pain. I am taken in the car one last time. Everyone is so sad, and I don't know why. Have I been bad? I try to be good and loving-what have I done wrong? Oh if only this pain would be gone! If only I could soothe the tears of the little girl. I reach out my muzzle to lick her hand, but can only whine in pain.

The veterinarian’s table is so cold. I am so frightened. The Humans all hug and love me.They cry into my soft fur. I can feel their love and sadness. I manage to lick softly their hands. Even the vet doesn't seem so scary today. He is gentle and I sense some kind of relief for my pain. The little girl holds me softly and I thank her, for giving me all her love. I feel a soft pinch in my foreleg. The pain is beginning to lift, I am beginning to feel a peace descend upon me. I can now softly lick her hand.

My vision is becoming dreamlike now, and I see my Mother and my brothers and sisters, in a far off green place. They tell me there is no pain there, only peace and happiness. I tell the family goodbye in the only way I know how-a soft wag of my tail and a nuzzle of my nose. I had hoped to spend many, many moons with them, but it was not meant to be. "You see," said the veterinarian, "Pet shop puppies do not come from ethical breeders." The pain ends now, and I know it will be many years until I see my beloved family again. If only things could have been different.
I cannot finish reading this. The tears are running down my face.
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I don't remember much of the place where I was born. It was cramped and dark, and we were never played with by the Humans. I remember Mom and her soft fur, but she was often sick, and very thin. She had hardly any milk for me and my brothers and sisters. I remember many of them dying, and I missed them so.

I remember the day I was taken from Mom. I was so sad and scared, my milk teeth had only just come in, and I really should have been with Mom still, but she was so sick, and the Humans kept saying that they wanted their money and were sick of the "mess" that me and my sister made.

So we were crated up and taken to a strange place. Just the two of us. We huddled together and were scared, still no Human hands came to pet or love us. So many sights and sounds and smells! We are in a store where there are many different animals! Some that squawk! Some that meow! Some that peep! My sister and I are jammed into a small cage. I hear other puppies here. I see Humans look at me through the glass. I like the "little humans", the kids. They look so sweet, and fun, like they would play with me! All day we stay in the small cage, sometimes mean people will hit the glass and frighten us, every once in a while we are taken out to be held or shown to humans. Some are gentle, some hurt us, we always hear "Aw they are so cute! I want one!" but we never get to go with any of them.

My sister died last night, when the store was dark. I lay my head on her soft fur and felt the life leave her small thin body. I had heard them say she was sick, and that I should be sold at a "discount price" so that I would quickly leave the store. I think my soft whine was the only one that mourned for her as her body was taken out of the cage in the morning and dumped.

Today, a family came and bought me! Oh happy day! They are a nice family, they really, really wanted me! They had bought a dish and food and the little girl held me so tenderly in her arms. I love her so much! The mom and dad say what a sweet and good puppy I am! I am named Angel. I love to lick my new Humans! The family takes such good care of me, they are loving and tender and sweet. They gently teach me right and wrong, give me good food, and lots of love! I want only to please these wonderful people! I love the little girl and I enjoy running and playing with her.

Today I went to the veterinarian. It was a strange place and I was frightened. I got some shots, but my best friend the little girl held me softly and said it would be okay. So I relaxed. The vet must have said sad words to my beloved family, because they looked awfully sad. I heard Severe Hip Dysplasia, and something about my heart... I heard the vet say something about back yard breeders and my parents not being tested. I know not what any of that means, just that it hurts me to see my family so sad. But they still love me, and I still love them very much!

I am six months old now. Where most other puppies are robust and rowdy, it hurts me terribly just to move. The pain never lets up. It hurts to run and play with my beloved little girl, and I find it hard to breathe. I keep trying my best to be the strong pup I know I am supposed to be, but it is so hard. It breaks my heart to see the little girl so sad, and to hear the Mom and Dad talk about it might now be "the time." Several times I have went to that veterinarians place, and the news is never good. Always talk about Congenital Problems. I just want to feel the warm sunshine and run, and play and nuzzle with my family.

Last night was the worst. Pain has been my constant companion now, it hurts even to get up and get a drink. I try to get up but can only whine in pain. I am taken in the car one last time. Everyone is so sad, and I don't know why. Have I been bad? I try to be good and loving-what have I done wrong? Oh if only this pain would be gone! If only I could soothe the tears of the little girl. I reach out my muzzle to lick her hand, but can only whine in pain.

The veterinarian’s table is so cold. I am so frightened. The Humans all hug and love me.They cry into my soft fur. I can feel their love and sadness. I manage to lick softly their hands. Even the vet doesn't seem so scary today. He is gentle and I sense some kind of relief for my pain. The little girl holds me softly and I thank her, for giving me all her love. I feel a soft pinch in my foreleg. The pain is beginning to lift, I am beginning to feel a peace descend upon me. I can now softly lick her hand.

My vision is becoming dreamlike now, and I see my Mother and my brothers and sisters, in a far off green place. They tell me there is no pain there, only peace and happiness. I tell the family goodbye in the only way I know how-a soft wag of my tail and a nuzzle of my nose. I had hoped to spend many, many moons with them, but it was not meant to be. "You see," said the veterinarian, "Pet shop puppies do not come from ethical breeders." The pain ends now, and I know it will be many years until I see my beloved family again. If only things could have been different.
Wow! Did you write this? Its very touching.
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No I didnt write it It was posted on YT by another member a while back.. I remember how much it made me cry and really hit home about puppy mills so I thought the OP should read it.
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Wow! Did you write this? Its very touching.
it originally came from the Unconditional Love Foundation

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If you don't want to end up in tears then you won't want to surf this site. It is heartbreaking seeing some of the puppy mill puppies.
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it originally came from the Unconditional Love Foundation

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If you don't want to end up in tears then you won't want to surf this site. It is heartbreaking seeing some of the puppy mill puppies.
Thanks for finding the origional source Beamers Mom, I didnt know where it originally came from I can just remember it being posted by another YT member a while back... its so sad
I really hope the OP takes the time to read it and to look at the uncondional love foundation's website, then maybe she will realise what she is doing by supporting these evil people.
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Okay i dont know why you all think shes a puppy mill breeder just bcause she has a lot of dogs i talked to her and she has 2 houses for the dogs one for the newborn puppies and one for the adults. the adults are allowed to go out of their kennels as they please exept at night and the mothers are allowed to be with all their pups until they are either sold or old enough to be with the other adults. She welcomes everyone to come and check out all the puppies and their homes and she obviously takes the puppies out because in all the pics that i received she is outside in a flowerbed or running around in her fenced in backyard! Looks like a happy puppy to be and not being torchered and forgoten like a puppy mill puppy. And just because you found stuff online doesn't mean that its true you should know that and who knows how long ago some of that stuff is about the pet stores! She reassured me about everything and she even had pics of all the kennels adn when i looked at google maps the same 2 buildings were there making me believe that the pics aren't fake. Some of you may think shes a puppy mill but you don't have the right to judge people without all the facts she may just be a big dog breeder who loves what shes doing! wouldn't you love to have that many puppies running around as long as you knew they were all taken care of and loved which they are?! All these pups are very happy and the reviews of her kennel are amazing so don't judge a book by it's cover because you don't have all the facts and are just assuming because i have all i need to know about her and tha'ts good enough for me! i understand why you guys are doing what your doing and i completly agree and thank you for all your determination and caring but shes not a puppy mill and i don't think that for MANY reasons i looked up day and night researching puppy mill info and that is totally not what her kennel is!!!! puppy mill pupys get abused and hurt and are treated with no respect and are almost always under no right conditions of living unlike the climate controlled facilities that she has and not to mention how well kept and clean they are!!! but thanks for all that info and i hope by reading this some people out there will know what to look for and that its not just a breeder with a ton of puppies even of that is a little turning off it doesn't have anything to do with being a puppy mill or not!
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I am in such tears from that story. Thank you for sharing that.
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Meghan, you have received advice from those with knowledge.
It is up to you to take or reject the advice given.
My father always said, "there is none so blind as those that will not see"

You have obviously decided to buy this puppy and there is obviously nothing anyone can say to convince you otherwise.
Just make sure you are able to financially cover any problems that often arise from buying from puppymills and BYB that are breeding for the money and not for the betterment of the breed.
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Cant fake the fact she is listed on the USDA's 2010 commerical breeders' list.

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_wel...rt_holders.txt

Selling to pet stores proves she really doesn't care where her puppies go...
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