Looking for Golden Yorkies

[JeanieK]

I wish there was more information, either positive or negative, on the health issue concern. Unfortunately untill there are more of them bred, there will be very little information. Lack of information does not mean that the issues don't exist, but neither does someone making a claim, that has no proof to back itf, mean that they do exist.

Originally Posted by JCarlson2004

I'm not sure how I feel about this. I think Goldens, Chocolates and Partis are ADORABLE and I'd love to own one someday (variety, after all, is the spice of life ). Every dog deserves a home, regardless of it's color. But if there are health/genetic risks involved (more than breeding a standard Yorkie), that's where my concern would be. I'd hate for a any dog to suffer just for me to enjoy a Golden or Chocolate Yorkie.

Honestly, this isn't a major issue for me because I'm not a breeder and probably never will be. I couldn't stand to let the babies go ... I'd end up being a major dog horder and you'd see me on Animal Plant. LOL They'd send the cops over to remove some of my dogs lol But I am curious about this because in the future (if GOD FORBID I ever lose one of my babies), I'll be in the market for more pupsters. Heck, I may even get a fourth dog one day (after we buy a house). So this is important info to know and thanks to everyone for posting their opinions about it.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by lisatodd

great question

I stated my own personal reasons. I can't speak for anyone else.

[sweetie3]

I know what a gold and black or blue is,but does golden mean all one color?

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by diva pup

I always wanted to ask this question...everyone has a reason for doing everything. If you are not breeding to better the breed and show then WHY do you breed? You say you are not making a profit so.....why do it?

If you are addressing this to me, I have only been a breeder a couple of years and I am heavily invested in my dogs. Judabob, Rothby, Wildweir and Crosswinds dogs don't come cheap. That's what I meant when I said I have yet to make a nickel. Oh and BTW, my dogs are bred to the standard. That's why I have so many references in the breeder review forum and I might also add that all my dogs except two have gone to YT people. i know many people say the only reason they are breeding is "to better the standard". Sorry, i don't buy into that. Those same people that say that are real quick to sell their "less than perfect' babies for big bucks so yes, they do make money. i know that the show people are always trying to get that one dog that will do well for them in the show ring. those that don't make the grade there are also sold for some pretty good money.

[Lorraine]

I would never consider my dogs to be the means to support me. To me, dogs are not livestock, I don't expect them to work for my living or indeed, theirs.
As to colour of the YOrkie, the breed standard defines what is acceptable colour. As the possibility in any mating, a wrong colour may be produced, certainly that puppy deserves a home as well and a good life if it is viable and not ill. If it is, the breeder can give it a quality of life.
However, to purposely breed for wrong colour in any breed is not contributing anything to that breed. To mislead people into paying ridiculous prices by marketing them as rare etc, in my opinion, is even more wrong.
A reputable breeder would sell such a wrong colour at much reduced prices or give them to a family member, friend etc to give them a good home. They would also look at their pedigree and likely never repeat that mating that produced such off colour and/or consider spay/neutering both parents if they own both. Certainly, the owner of the stud dog would be notified.

[bdbmamaw]

Originally Posted by diva pup

I always wanted to ask this question...everyone has a reason for doing everything. If you are not breeding to better the breed and show then WHY do you breed? You say you are not making a profit so.....why do it?

Though it really is a lot of work to get them ready for their new homes, it is also a TON of fun! (I really do cry every time I sell one. ) I guess I do it for the joy of raising them and the joy of seeing a new owner's face when they get them. However, I do strive to follow the standard set by AKC.

[diva pup]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

If you are addressing this to me, I have only been a breeder a couple of years and I am heavily invested in my dogs. Judabob, Rothby, Wildweir and Crosswinds dogs don't come cheap. That's what I meant when I said I have yet to make a nickel. Oh and BTW, my dogs are bred to the standard. That's why I have so many references in the breeder review forum and I might also add that all my dogs except two have gone to YT people. i know many people say the only reason they are breeding is "to better the standard". Sorry, i don't buy into that. Those same people that say that are real quick to sell their "less than perfect' babies for big bucks so yes, they do make money. i know that the show people are always trying to get that one dog that will do well for them in the show ring. those that don't make the grade there are also sold for some pretty good money.

I was not addressing you, I was addressing anyone that wanted to answer. But you surely must have had a reason why when you decided to start breeding, whether you are out of the hole for your breeding dogs or not is really not the question.

And yes, show breeders certainly do sell their "pet quality" yorkies, I have 3 that are not able to be shown for one reason or another but that is the reason they breed, to produce a show dog for themselves not a breeding dog for someone else.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

The "purists" way back then would not doubt have thought it was ruining, to change from the wirey haired larger breed. They probably told those people to stop ruining the breed, telling them that if they wanted a smaller, silky coated dog to go buy a different breed, and that those silky haired, undersized yorkies were sure to have health issues.

Breed standard says silk. The whole history of the development of the Yorkie breed is involved to what it is today.
A 5 lbs dog is not undersized. There are many toy breeds that are usually 4 lbs and up and are considered an acceptable size.
Unfortunately, today the undersized are usually less than 4 lbs and very often are small due to health issues, including
underdeveloped kidneys.
Livershunt or other liver problems
hydrocephalic along with open fontenals.
other enzyme issues that can't be measured too easily but compromises the health of the puppy
Any repro Vet familiar with the Yorkie and other toy breeds that have access to the information of percentages of these undersized dogs with very bad health issues can enlighten anyone that asks.
BUt you do have to ask the Vet that is familiar with the issues such as a repro Vet or get in touch with Critical Care Vet clinics that deal with this stuff routinely.

[lisatodd]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

If you are addressing this to me, I have only been a breeder a couple of years and I am heavily invested in my dogs. Judabob, Rothby, Wildweir and Crosswinds dogs don't come cheap. That's what I meant when I said I have yet to make a nickel. Oh and BTW, my dogs are bred to the standard. That's why I have so many references in the breeder review forum and I might also add that all my dogs except two have gone to YT people. i know many people say the only reason they are breeding is "to better the standard". Sorry, i don't buy into that. Those same people that say that are real quick to sell their "less than perfect' babies for big bucks so yes, they do make money. i know that the show people are always trying to get that one dog that will do well for them in the show ring. those that don't make the grade there are also sold for some pretty good money.

i don't think diva was directing this at you because you are breeding to better the breed. i think she was saying if you DONT better the breed and if you are not doing it for profit, then why breed. since you are doing it to better the breed then you are just plan AWESOME!!!!!

[Loretta]

I am looking for someone else..the person has 2 AKC traditional yorkies that produced 2 males Goldens or tans or blondes or what ever they color is called.. anyway.. he asked me to try and locate a female.. which I am doing.. Now the standard for yorkies has been changed by the National club and approved by AKC.. The only yorkies that can be shown are the Blue and Tan.... all the rest are bad for the breed and are disqualified if they go in the ring.. So anyone that has a Blk and tan or Blk and gold or Blue and Gold.. they are flawed and should not be bred.This is on the National Yorkie clubs web site.So if your worried about being bad for the breed.. You better not have any of these colors..

[lisatodd]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

Breed standard says silk. The whole history of the development of the Yorkie breed is involved to what it is today.
A 5 lbs dog is not undersized. There are many toy breeds that are usually 4 lbs and up and are considered an acceptable size.
Unfortunately, today the undersized are usually less than 4 lbs and very often are small due to health issues, including
underdeveloped kidneys.
Livershunt or other liver problems
hydrocephalic along with open fontenals.
other enzyme issues that can't be measured too easily but compromises the health of the puppy
Any repro Vet familiar with the Yorkie and other toy breeds that have access to the information of percentages of these undersized dogs with very bad health issues can enlighten anyone that asks.
BUt you do have to ask the Vet that is familiar with the issues such as a repro Vet or get in touch with Critical Care Vet clinics that deal with this stuff routinely.

AND AGAIN LORRAINE, YOU ARE THE BEST. i love reading what you have to say.

[wemple2]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

I would never consider my dogs to be the means to support me. To me, dogs are not livestock, I don't expect them to work for my living or indeed, theirs.
As to colour of the YOrkie, the breed standard defines what is acceptable colour. As the possibility in any mating, a wrong colour may be produced, certainly that puppy deserves a home as well and a good life if it is viable and not ill. If it is, the breeder can give it a quality of life.
However, to purposely breed for wrong colour in any breed is not contributing anything to that breed. To mislead people into paying ridiculous prices by marketing them as rare etc, in my opinion, is even more wrong.
A reputable breeder would sell such a wrong colour at much reduced prices or give them to a family member, friend etc to give them a good home. They would also look at their pedigree and likely never repeat that mating that produced such off colour and/or consider spay/neutering both parents if they own both. Certainly, the owner of the stud dog would be notified.

This is a big issue, and I agree with what you've stated. To intentionally breed for this purpose is against standards. Period. The End. The health and welfare of these puppies should be of great concern. I am not a breeder, I am am not a show person, I am only a pet owner...And I never realized that this type of breeding practice would possibly endanger the health of the puppies. That alone is reason enough not to do it, not to purchase one of these "RARE" babies. Thanks for your input!

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by sweetie3

I know what a gold and black or blue is,but does golden mean all one color?

Yes they are all golden. Head to toe

[Ashley V]

Okay, I am far from being a breeder, but this is my opinion and only my opinion, so if someone wants to attack it, I don't care because I am entitled to my own opinion. I don't see what's so wrong with a odd colored yorkie. They aren't hurting anything and the yorkie will still be a standard breed. Just because someone breeds for off colors doesn't mean there won't be standards. A lot of breeders are still going to be out there like all of you. That won't change. For now, the off colors will still be yorkies. They still came from yorkie parents didn't they? But maybe 100 years from now, there will be a completely different breed! How do you think the yorkshire terrier came about? Lots of off breeding and in breeding. It's the same thing with all the other breeds out there. They all stemmed from one specific dog and now look how it is today. I personally think off colored yorkies are gorgeous, as well as mixed breed yorkies. The standard yorkies are beatiful also. All of them are. When it really comes down to it, they are all dogs, and are beatiful in their own way, just like every person on this site. Every one of these dogs deserve a home and a family to love them, despite their genetics.

One thing I do agree with most of you on is the price of an off colored puppy. I don't believe they should advertise them as rare then jack up the price. Those type of breeders, IMO, are doing it just for some extra cash.

[JCarlson2004]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

To mislead people into paying ridiculous prices by marketing them as rare etc, in my opinion, is even more wrong.

Please, no one yell at me. I normally don't get too involved on threads like this because I really don't know much about breeding or these color anomalies (so I don't want to seem like an idiot lolol) but I just have a quick question.

The word "rare" can mean hard to find, uncommon and/or something that doesn't occur or happen very often (I looked it up on www.dictionary.com lololol gotta love the internet).

I've read here on YT several times before that years ago, breeders would cull (that's the correct word, right? ) off-colored Yorkies like Goldens and Chocolates, etc. and not breed the parents anymore because they produced this gene. Or if they didn't kill them, they'd spay/neuter them and sell them as pets only. So to my very limited knowledge on the subject (and please someone correct me if I'm wrong), the genes for these colors were becoming smaller and smaller, since they Yorkie babies were being spayed/neutered or killed and the parents were no longer being bred, which would make having one of these babies even more uncommen and less likely.

So wouldn't that make these Yorkies "rare"? Maybe not exotics or things like that but it would make them rare and hard to find because the genes for this are not so readily available. So if that's true, why would it be wrong to call them rare? I don't know about the pricing for them (I've never looked into the price ranges) but I've seen standard, easy to come by Yorkies sell for so much as $10,000 which to me in INSANE!! But I guess someone will pay that price.

I'm not sure if I worded all this correctly but hopefully someone understand all my jibberish lolol

Ok, I'm going to duck for cover!!