Looking for good/show quaility Male yorkie

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Let me ask you this question and hopefully you can give me a strait yes or no answer.

Do you think that people who are not active in the show world--meaning in the ring and competing--should refrain from breeding? Do you think that breeding is something that should only be done by people who show?

the question is not one that a yes/no kind of answer can be given. In case you haven't noticed the world is not black and white, it would be easy if it was. No matter what it is you are in, jobs, hobbies, sports,dogs, horses, the whole thing called life is many shades of gray.
I have been petitioned a few times to write a book, maybe I will one day and that issue would be a chapter in itself.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Absolutely not, my only wish as those that do fully educate and prepare themselves before they do.

If that is your honest opinion, then you have not struck a nerve at all. However, since this conversation took this turn, that is the impression I have gotten. Also by some of the other posts I have seen before. I've been outright told that on this forum before by OTHER members not even involved in this thread. But those arguments started in the same manner as this one did...which is the ONLY point I was trying to make from the beginning.

[cutiepieyorkies]

I Believe To Each His Own With Breeding But I Also Believe That It Is To Better To Bred And Keep It As Close To The Standard As Possible There Is Alot Of Health Problems In The Yorkies Today Because Of Byb Wanting To Make A Fast Buck Alot Of Ckc People That Do Not Want To Keep Up With Records And So Some Are Not In To Good Breeding Habits Some Sell And Do Not Have There Puppies Checked For Legs And Liver What Is The Cost Of Testing Compaired To The Price You May Be Gettening I Feel If You Are Going To Bred Protect The Yorkie Some Sell With Open Fountals And Other Issues And Than We Have Alot Of Problem Yorkies And It Is Sad I Know Some Retired Show People That Still Bred The Yorkies But They Have Years Of Experince I Just Feel For The Little Two Pounders That Have Health Issues And People Spend Lots On Vet Bills Just To Loose Them To Me The Standard Is Up To 7 Pounds And The 4 To 6 Is My Favorite I Have Had Less Health Problems I Bought A Tiny Last Year He Was 1.14 Ounces At Eight Months Old He Had Sever Roach Back Open Fountails And Many Other Problems I Sold Him Back To The Breeder It Was Not
A Thing I Would Ever Even Consider To Bred To And He Cost Me 3800.00 Dollars Over Two Months Just To Get Him Healthy
It Was A Very Big Loss For Me But A Very Valueable Lesson Also

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by cutiepieyorkies

Lorraine Has Helped Me Over The Last Few Days With A Problem I Was Loosing Sleep Over I Owe Her A Great Deal Because She Helped Me Solve It She Was Not Judgemental At All She Gave Me Another Way Of Thinking And Doing Things And I Will Always Be Grateful To Her With Out Her Knowledge I May Have Never Discovered What I Needed To Know I Also Am Going To Try And Show My Chaz And Kiki In The Next Few Weeks And I Am Sure I Will Lean On Her And Others In That Time For Advice I Do Believe That We All Have Are Own Right To Do As We Want As Long As There Is Improvments To What We Are Trying To Accomplish And Other S Have Different Views As We Are All Intitled To . May I Say Wrinkles Should Merely Indicate Where Smiles Have Been So Lest All Smile So We Can Have Lots Of Wrinkles

Thank you and you have had a rough go of it. YEs do contact me if you need help with anything. Good luck with your goals.
Always remember what i learned along the way, if you reach for the stars you might find an angel there too.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

In case you haven't noticed the world is not black and white, it would be easy if it was. No matter what it is you are in, jobs, hobbies, sports,dogs, horses, the whole thing called life is many shades of gray.

Oops, sorry, I had already responded before you revised your answer. I think if you have hit any nerve at all, it's the one sensitive to being talked to like I've never been out of my house before. Thank you for enlightening me to "the whole thing called life." I believe THIS is what was meant by condescending...

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

If that is your honest opinion, then you have not struck a nerve at all. However, since this conversation took this turn, that is the impression I have gotten. Also by some of the other posts I have seen before. I've been outright told that on this forum before by OTHER members not even involved in this thread. But those arguments started in the same manner as this one did...which is the ONLY point I was trying to make from the beginning.

What other posts? Since I know I have attempted to be nothing but helpful.

I have my own breeding practices and they are mine. What I do not agree with is backyard breeders/puppy millers or people that go into breeding unprepared.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Oops, sorry, I had already responded before you revised your answer. I think if you have hit any nerve at all, it's the one sensitive to being talked to like I've never been out of my house before. Thank you for enlightening me to "the whole thing called life." I believe THIS is what was meant by condescending...

Dry sense of humour actually, not condescending but call it what you wish.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

Dry sense of humour actually, not condescending but call it what you wish.

Typical Canadian. Took awhile getting use to it...but, after awhile being around the likes of other Canadian exhibitors.....I finally got it.

Mary

[tegamom1]

This just amazes me! It does seem when show breeder/exhibitors offer advise or help to those that ask for "show" help, one thing just leads to another and then suddenly, breeders who do not apparently know very much about it pounce on these dedicated. highly respected, ethical, educated, show breeders acting as if they were offended. When they advise being careful who you buy from and give suggestions on what to look for and what to avoid and you get offended....well, that certainly tells me something. I was pounced on by one of these "non show" breeders, accused of being someone sneaking back on the forum from the humane society simply because I suggested someone spay or neuter their puppy that was not standard, let alone show quality. I feel grateful these people come on here to offer their advise and help. There are a lot of "show breeder" that some of you like to so proudly brag about having there lines somewhere back in your pedigrees that wouldn't come on this forum if you paid them! Fortunately, YT is blessed with having a few kind, caring people on here to help when asked. I also think that everyone that breeds should try to find an all breed club or specialty club in your area. There is a wealth of information there for anyone who is generally interested in correct breeding practices. You don't have to show if you don't want to. (Even though, you're missing a lot of fun.) This is a big forum, and everyone loves looking at the pictures, and hearing Yorkie stories. We all love our little babies, but lets just be gratful for the help we can get to do everything the right way for these that we love, just like our human children.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

What other posts? Since I know I have attempted to be nothing but helpful.

<sigh> Not specifically your post....as I have mentioned several times, this stemmed from something else, a similar situation in the past...

[cutiepieyorkies]

[tegamom1]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

Dry sense of humour actually, not condescending but call it what you wish.

Hey, my dad was French Canadian Love the sense of humor! Love your country too. It's beautiful.

Excuse me!! Off topic!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by tegamom1

Hey, my dad was French Canadian Love the sense of humor! Love your country too. It's beautiful.

Excuse me!! Off topic!

I think it's the one on the right?

[cutiepieyorkies]

this is the little guy i had and i loved him dearly it broke my heart unless you have walked threw liver shunt or other health issues you will never know how hard it is

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by tegamom1

This just amazes me! It does seem when show breeder/exhibitors offer advise or help to those that ask for "show" help, one thing just leads to another and then suddenly, breeders who do not apparently know very much about it pounce on these dedicated. highly respected, ethical, educated, show breeders acting as if they were offended. When they advise being careful who you buy from and give suggestions on what to look for and what to avoid and you get offended....well, that certainly tells me something. I was pounced on by one of these "non show" breeders, accused of being someone sneaking back on the forum from the humane society simply because I suggested someone spay or neuter their puppy that was not standard, let alone show quality. I feel grateful these people come on here to offer their advise and help. There are a lot of "show breeder" that some of you like to so proudly brag about having there lines somewhere back in your pedigrees that wouldn't come on this forum if you paid them! Fortunately, YT is blessed with having a few kind, caring people on here to help when asked. I also think that everyone that breeds should try to find an all breed club or specialty club in your area. There is a wealth of information there for anyone who is generally interested in correct breeding practices. You don't have to show if you don't want to. (Even though, you're missing a lot of fun.) This is a big forum, and everyone loves looking at the pictures, and hearing Yorkie stories. We all love our little babies, but lets just be gratful for the help we can get to do everything the right way for these that we love, just like our human children.

There is a difference in educating someone politely and educating someone rudely...that is where a lot of argument comes into play. Once again, I will mention, it's all in the words that you use and how you use them. NO ONE wants to be talked down to...do you?