Looking for adult female!!!

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Yugi

okay, why do i get the feeling that i am being attacked???? all i asked for was a female that was able to be bred.. i meant not spayed.. most of the time i have found in my many months of searching for another adult female that most of the adult females are retired and for sale on a spay contract. that is all i meant by being able to be bred... i have two yorkies of my own and currently have a litter. no, i havent been breeding for very long, but i have read every book there is, my "mentor" if you will, has shown dogs in Westminister many times with wins!!! i have a great friend, who happens to be a vet that i can call anytime. oh and of course i have checked bloodlines, pedigrees, and so on... i love my dogs, and i would NEVER just buy a dog. i just dont understand why all of you assumed all of this. i dont " just breed like this" I think that was the quote one of you made. all my post read was for an adult female that wasnt spayed.
Maybe i should rephrase my post:::: if anyone knows of an adult female for sale please contact me. i would like more information.

First off, when you come on here and ask for a female who can be bred...I think most people assume that is why you want her. I think it was in the nature of the way you listed your request. Secondly, I don't see where you were being attacked. I was trying to give you some advice, take it or leave it, and advise WHY you may not be bombarded with offers, as you ARE new to the forum. If by not getting the answers you WANT you feel you are being attacked, I really don't know what to tell you. I typed, read and re-read my response trying to make sure it wasn't offensive. Maybe you just came here to be offended is all I can figure. You seem to raise the bar with each post.

Now, that being said, I don't think anyone here can make any assumption BUT that you were a novice. Read back over your other thread...you didn't even know that they had to have their tails docked for Pete's sake...that, to me and others apparently is a picture YOU painted--one that you were uninformed on the breed, yet here you ask for a breedable female... Guess maybe your mentor and books forgot to tell you that?

Again, I was trying to be nice, as I think several here were. You didn't clearly state your intentions or reasons why you wanted an unspayed female. Why would you lash out because others tried to get you to clarify that?

Geez, sorry I posted at all. I forgot I needed a flame-proof suit to post anything these days.

[BamaFan121s]

Oops...double post...sorry.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by Yugi

Yes, i have been to shows before. Listen, all i want is a small breeding program. Every contact i have had over the last few months is more interested in selling their unspayed female to someone who will treat them as a pet, and not to "use" just for breeding. And of course, he is helping me find another yorkie. I heard that this was a wonderful forum and had some great members and breeders. I thought i would check it out. i just do not want any of you to judge me when i have only posted very few times here. all i was doing was asking . i will be happy to find another site.

thanks

I have a very small breeding program. I show my dogs in the Canadian Kennel Club shows for the Championships. I occasionally breed a litter when I am looking for the next show dog to show, planning ahead. Alas not all are show dogs so are nice quality pets that I may end up with available to good pet homes on approval.
My dogs are all my pets first, running around my yard, my family room, curled up at my feet, played with pampered and not at all what you are describing that you think a reputable show breeder would be doing with their dogs. I have many friends that think the same way I do, their dogs are first their pets.
Not all are alike in how they keep their dogs but then there are many homes and owners with pets that aren't very good homes either. That's my job before I place a puppy for pet, to be sure I have determined this is a good home.
If you are talking about people that just buy to breed that is a different kettle of fish entirely. I don't agree with that either.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

If you are talking about people that just buy to breed that is a different kettle of fish entirely.

Ha ha ha....I like this saying.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by Yugi

Yes, i have been to shows before. Listen, all i want is a small breeding program. Every contact i have had over the last few months is more interested in selling their unspayed female to someone who will treat them as a pet, and not to "use" just for breeding. And of course, he is helping me find another yorkie. I heard that this was a wonderful forum and had some great members and breeders. I thought i would check it out. i just do not want any of you to judge me when i have only posted very few times here. all i was doing was asking . i will be happy to find another site.

thanks

This is a wonderful forum and in spite of some of the negative posts, you have come to the right place for your answers. i have a brand new, just started breeding program also. I don't intend to get any larger than what I am now. I have learned a lot from some caring experienced breeders on here and you know what? the others just don't matter. Like you, i went thru some things here too when i first joined. I am an avid reader of all the forums on this site and i have learned that there are a handful of people that will always attack a new breeder under the guise of educating. pay no mind and just continue what you are doing with your research and your mentor. Good luck with your search and if I, in my very limited knowledge, can help in any way, just pm me.

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by Yugi

my "mentor" if you will, has shown dogs in Westminister many times with wins!!!

Then why don't you get a female from your mentor? That way, she/he can give you the best possible example of the breed to start with. Best of luck in all you do.

[NicNak]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

This is a wonderful forum and in spite of some of the negative posts, you have come to the right place for your answers. i have a brand new, just started breeding program also. I don't intend to get any larger than what I am now. I have learned a lot from some caring experienced breeders on here and you know what? the others just don't matter. Like you, i went thru some things here too when i first joined. I am an avid reader of all the forums on this site and i have learned that there are a handful of people that will always attack a new breeder under the guise of educating. pay no mind and just continue what you are doing with your research and your mentor. Good luck with your search and if I, in my very limited knowledge, can help in any way, just pm me.

Funny when long time breeders try and educate there ATTACKING - the
lady asked a question and got back some opinions that's all.
If someone is will to sell a adult bitch to someone there has to be something wrong ( or they would have kept her and bred her ) think about it AND if
this lady has a mentor (Westminster winner) he should have told her the same thing or sold her a bitch ( hence the word mentor).

There is so much more to breeding that meets the eye ( fronts ,rears, movement, color, temperament TOPLINES) if you breeding
dogs with faults soon the dogs will look nothing like a Yorkie ( I have seen them - people coming up to me saying I have a Yorkie
and the only thing Yorkie about the dog is the color and that is BLACK and TAN ( soft or wooly coat) and that is two faults
wrong color and texture.

There is a reason for a standard ( its called Type) here is what I try a live by


The following is by Dr. Sophia Kaluzniacki, and is reprinted with her
permission
10 Rules of Ethical Breeding

The only reason to be breeding purebred dogs is to preserve the best
qualities of the breed. Breeding to supply any market is not a
justification.

You need to do all of your breeding with the best interests of the breed in
mind. Never your pocket book.

For this you need to be a serious student of the breed and devote years of
your life to it. No "in one day, out the other".

As a beginner you need to engross yourself in the breed as much as possible
and ideally find a suitable mentor.

In order to be a serious breeder, you must show and compete.

You need to keep track of all puppies you produce, whether pet or show, to
know how your breeding program is working.

All pet dogs need to go on a spay/neuter contract.

All show puppies need to go on a contract that will not allow breeding
unless the dog lives up to the quality intended and passes all health checks
and certification necessary for that breed. If a prospective breeder does
not want to do this, then I am sorry but they will have to mess with someone
else's dogs not mine!!

Co-ownerships allow you a certain amount of control in this regard because
they require your signature in order that puppies be registered. The latest
news from the AKC is that there is a pending change to the rules that will
not allow registration unless all papers are properly signed. If you have a
difference with your co-owner it will need to be settled in court before the
AKC will register litters or puppies. This is new and still pending, but a
step in the right direction.

Every breeder owes to the breed and to themselves to be involved with
rescue.

Every breeder should be prepared to take any dog back for whatever reason.
If they do not have the space, then they need to be prepared to make other
arrangements. But take back they must!

In my ideal world one could not sell dogs. They would only be able to be
given as cherished gifts to deserving individuals. This would eliminate the
whole pet mill and back-yard breeding industry as they could not make any
money. Of course since this world is not the way I envision it as regards
dogs, we have to work within the system. So I do charge for puppies and I
charge what I think is fair for the time and effort I have put into it. It
is certainly not enough to cover all of the expenses. If someone cannot or
will not pay my price then let them go somewhere else or take on a rescue.
There is nothing wrong with paying a lower price and certainly very noble to
rescue. Well I will now get off of my soap box

Dr. Sophia


Laurie Hunter and the NicNak Yorkies
www.nicnakyorkies.com

[BamaFan121s]

Oh for the love of Pete .... She was not attacked. She asked a question, she got answers. Period.

[Chrissy0277]

Like others said why dont this person get a bitch from their mentor instead of coming to a forum to look for a dog?

[lisatodd]

i just looked at your website.....it is scary....at first. you do have beautiful puppies

[julieg]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

This is a wonderful forum and in spite of some of the negative posts, you have come to the right place for your answers. i have a brand new, just started breeding program also. I don't intend to get any larger than what I am now. I have learned a lot from some caring experienced breeders on here and you know what? the others just don't matter. Like you, i went thru some things here too when i first joined. I am an avid reader of all the forums on this site and i have learned that there are a handful of people that will always attack a new breeder under the guise of educating. pay no mind and just continue what you are doing with your research and your mentor. Good luck with your search and if I, in my very limited knowledge, can help in any way, just pm me.

I have to say I think the people who are seen as "negative" are honest caring people. I don't think they have a hidden agenda. I was helped by some of these people through email. They were very helpful and nice. I don't think if they told us what we want to hear, rather then their honest opinion, they would be doing us any favors. I wish I had help in more aspects of life from people who have been there and done that. It is a great privilege to get help from people who have paved the road for others to follow. If more people would take their advice there would be less sick and homeless pups out there. I am not judging anyone!!! I don't have any intentions to now or in the future voice an opinion, I do not know enough myself.

[Joeysmom]

Originally Posted by lisatodd

i just looked at your website.....it is scary....at first. you do have beautiful puppies

and I agree! Freaky at first, but a very nicely put together website.... and NicNak...you have BEAUTIFUL dogs!!!

deb

[doortego]

I love this!

The following is by Dr. Sophia Kaluzniacki, and is reprinted with her
permission
10 Rules of Ethical Breeding

The only reason to be breeding purebred dogs is to preserve the best
qualities of the breed. Breeding to supply any market is not a
justification.

You need to do all of your breeding with the best interests of the breed in
mind. Never your pocket book.

For this you need to be a serious student of the breed and devote years of
your life to it. No "in one day, out the other".

As a beginner you need to engross yourself in the breed as much as possible
and ideally find a suitable mentor.

In order to be a serious breeder, you must show and compete.

You need to keep track of all puppies you produce, whether pet or show, to
know how your breeding program is working.

All pet dogs need to go on a spay/neuter contract.

All show puppies need to go on a contract that will not allow breeding
unless the dog lives up to the quality intended and passes all health checks
and certification necessary for that breed. If a prospective breeder does
not want to do this, then I am sorry but they will have to mess with someone
else's dogs not mine!!

Co-ownerships allow you a certain amount of control in this regard because
they require your signature in order that puppies be registered. The latest
news from the AKC is that there is a pending change to the rules that will
not allow registration unless all papers are properly signed. If you have a
difference with your co-owner it will need to be settled in court before the
AKC will register litters or puppies. This is new and still pending, but a
step in the right direction.

Every breeder owes to the breed and to themselves to be involved with
rescue.

Every breeder should be prepared to take any dog back for whatever reason.
If they do not have the space, then they need to be prepared to make other
arrangements. But take back they must!

In my ideal world one could not sell dogs. They would only be able to be
given as cherished gifts to deserving individuals. This would eliminate the
whole pet mill and back-yard breeding industry as they could not make any
money. Of course since this world is not the way I envision it as regards
dogs, we have to work within the system. So I do charge for puppies and I
charge what I think is fair for the time and effort I have put into it. It
is certainly not enough to cover all of the expenses. If someone cannot or
will not pay my price then let them go somewhere else or take on a rescue.
There is nothing wrong with paying a lower price and certainly very noble to
rescue. Well I will now get off of my soap box

Dr. Sophia

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by doortego

I love this!

The following is by Dr. Sophia Kaluzniacki, and is reprinted with her
permission
10 Rules of Ethical Breeding

The only reason to be breeding purebred dogs is to preserve the best
qualities of the breed. Breeding to supply any market is not a
justification.

You need to do all of your breeding with the best interests of the breed in
mind. Never your pocket book.

For this you need to be a serious student of the breed and devote years of
your life to it. No "in one day, out the other".

As a beginner you need to engross yourself in the breed as much as possible
and ideally find a suitable mentor.

In order to be a serious breeder, you must show and compete.

You need to keep track of all puppies you produce, whether pet or show, to
know how your breeding program is working.

All pet dogs need to go on a spay/neuter contract.

All show puppies need to go on a contract that will not allow breeding
unless the dog lives up to the quality intended and passes all health checks
and certification necessary for that breed. If a prospective breeder does
not want to do this, then I am sorry but they will have to mess with someone
else's dogs not mine!!

Co-ownerships allow you a certain amount of control in this regard because
they require your signature in order that puppies be registered. The latest
news from the AKC is that there is a pending change to the rules that will
not allow registration unless all papers are properly signed. If you have a
difference with your co-owner it will need to be settled in court before the
AKC will register litters or puppies. This is new and still pending, but a
step in the right direction.

Every breeder owes to the breed and to themselves to be involved with
rescue.

Every breeder should be prepared to take any dog back for whatever reason.
If they do not have the space, then they need to be prepared to make other
arrangements. But take back they must!

In my ideal world one could not sell dogs. They would only be able to be
given as cherished gifts to deserving individuals. This would eliminate the
whole pet mill and back-yard breeding industry as they could not make any
money. Of course since this world is not the way I envision it as regards
dogs, we have to work within the system. So I do charge for puppies and I
charge what I think is fair for the time and effort I have put into it. It
is certainly not enough to cover all of the expenses. If someone cannot or
will not pay my price then let them go somewhere else or take on a rescue.
There is nothing wrong with paying a lower price and certainly very noble to
rescue. Well I will now get off of my soap box

Dr. Sophia

I have that quote on my website as well, put there with permission also of Dr. Sophia.
Hey Laurie, great to see you here and great post you are absolutely right.