Two beautiful male champion line pups

[YorkiesRAmazing]

I feel that it is misleading to advertise puppies as only "CH Sired" and not include the UKC. I have personally watched UKC and International shows and feel they are alot easier to champion a dog and sometimes the dog is not worthy of the championship. AKC conformation shows are alot tougher competition. I also notice on your website that you only advertise your male as a champion, but do not include the UKC in front of it.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by RhapsodyYorkies

This is a very different reply from your private email to me, and having 2 single points is very different than only needing a few points to finish.

Yes, UKC does hire AKC Judges. The Judges are paid to put up the most correct dog, it does not mean they think the dog is worthy of a title though.
Sadly if they only have two dogs to choose from and one is a puppy that won't walk they have no choice but to give the point to the dog that will move even if the dog is poor quality.

Serious people are always encouraged,
Cynthia

Both AKC and the Canadian Kennel Club judges will withhold ribbons if they feel the entries lack merit and I have seen it happen here in Canada where either winners male or winners female was withheld and no one got the point for it. I saw a Canadian Kennel club show where the entries on a particular breed was owned by one breeder and ribbon was withheld on all of them.
Does UKC judging not withhold ribbons for lack of merit?

[wnalegria]

I am not sure what is going on or why but I think that it should stop. Ricki has some nice babies out of her breeding program.

If I am not mistaken the AKC and the YTCA talks about welcoming those who
show an interest in the breed. It has clearly been stated that pets were sold on a spay neuter and others sold on a co-ownership until finished.

I do not think anyone was mislead by the Ch. in the post. The dog is a Ch. with the UKC- perhaps down the road he will be a International or A AKC or Cnandian Chmapion.

The big point is that the time and effort was taken to make the effort and show the dog. There are other people who have been members on this site who have had dogs that have never even pointed. This should not be any reason to look down on a person or a dog.

The owner may not know how to show that dog to his best advantage or groom him. There is a lot involved as most of you well know. Ricki's male may heve been finished in no time at all if she had placed it with a handler. He is young and Ricki has many options available to her.

The male that Ricki owns if my memory serves me has Beat Buster in the ring when he was with his handler Peggy at that time.. Buster is a AKC- UKC and International Champion.

[RhapsodyYorkies]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

Cynthia I am a bit confused . I pm'd you asking if Ricki's stud was from your bloodline, the reason I asked is because of your post stating you were glad that someone alerted you to this thread....

you replied "no you neuter all your pets"....next pm I asked if you considered her stud pet quality (because of your reponse), then complimented your kids and your informative website (which you did not respond)...what is different that what I have posted here, may I ask?

Now you have hurt her feelings, all I was doing was stating the truth about the points stated on her AD. This thread had nothing to do with the quality of her dogs.

Why would you write me personally and compliment my dogs and then turn around and say we shouldn't have pointed out the truth about the points and encourage new people instead, on an open forum, you wouldn't be stirring the pot I hope.

I think I've given many new exhibitors tips on showing and grooming through the years, all they need to do is ask or stand by and observe. I also know many show exhibitors that have asked me questions, watched at shows, and then help the next new person with the same instructions I helped them with. This is a general statement, it is not concerning Ricki what so ever: Some people have ears but can't hear and people have eyes but don't see.

I absolutely will not make any statement about how I feel about her personally. What she does, how she breeds, who she associates with, and the quality/type of her dogs is her choice. What she wants people to believe to be true is her business, it isn't mine or yours, so maybe I shouldn't have told the truth.

Yes, I received your compliment and it was nice of you. Thank you, it really was appreciated Sweety.

[feminvstr]

Originally Posted by RhapsodyYorkies

Now you have hurt her feelings, all I was doing was stating the truth about the points stated on her AD. This thread had nothing to do with the quality of her dogs.

Why would you write me personally and compliment my dogs and then turn around and say we shouldn't have pointed out the truth about the points and encourage new people instead, on an open forum, you wouldn't be stirring the pot I hope.

Cynthia, I have hurt her feelings? interesting perception wrong but interesting nonetheless!~

[wnalegria]

Wow I am not sure what is going on at this time. It seems to me we have gotten completely off the topic. This is Ricki's thread and she was proud to be showing off these nice puppies.

It sure seems like some of those pm's come back to cause more trouble.

Ricki I am sorry that this has gotten off topic. I know that when the time is right and if you want to- your male can go out and be finished as a AKC Champion. Showing is something that you do for that inner you- not some one else. Bottom line this tread was about the beautiful babies out of Corky.

Corky and Shane are both very nice males. You have a beautiful litter from the breeding. I can't wait for them to get into coat. They are both going to start out at UKC- then go to the International and then AKC. At least that is the game plan at this time.

There is no law that states unless a dog is finished AKC you have to feel that he or you is a second class citizen. Hold your head up and be proud.

[ButterflyYorkie]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

Does UKC judging not withhold ribbons for lack of merit?

They sure do. I have seen this happen personally since starting to show with the UKC a bit. It has been one of the best experiences I've ever had in my life. Those folks are very serious about what they do and competition can be steep! Alot of people who are affiliated with the AKC show in UKC due to not being allowed to show in AKC which is totally understandable. I met some of the nicest, warmest people in my life at a UKC show. I plan to show with both clubs...because I like to have fun! I'm not going to judge anyone for where they show...I'm going to give them a thumbs up for actually being involved with their breed in the first place.

And by the way, Ricki your babies are very pretty and congrats on everything you have accomplished so far. Good luck to you and your yorkies!

[Sugar's Mom]

the nastiness that this thread has turned into is the very reason that you will never see my puppies advertised on here unless I change my mind. All the dogs I now own and the two I am in the process of purchasing come from long lines of champions but I have already been told it would be false advertising if I claim champion bloodlines. Sorry, I don't see that it would and that is exactly how my pups will be advertised on other sites and on my private web site when it is ready.

[YorkiesRAmazing]

I do not believe that anyone stated that your male was not a beautiful example of the breed! The puppies you have advertised for sale are also adorable.

[ytsirk27]

There must be alot of crabby ppl on here today!! RICKI..Your dogs are beautiful and I wish you lots of luck!!

[fieristar]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

Cynthia, I have hurt her feelings? interesting perception wrong but interesting nonetheless!~

I agree totally with your insightful observation of who has hurt whose feelings....Hi, Ricki, my good friend and confidant....Ricki has done more for dogs than most people out there....she was lucky to have been able to purchase good foundation stock that was not sold with outrageous contracts, she studied the breed for over a year before buying her foundation stock, she takes exquisite care of her dogs and is the best professionally trained groomer I have seen. She also cares so much about other dogs and pets and has helped many people by buying them things for their dogs/pets. She has the cadillac of grooming salons, just ask her how much she spent of the all breed bathing tub and hydralic tables she has.....She also previously dedicated much of her life to protecting the public by being a police officer...she also has attended college and is multilingual....she reads books that are 4 inches thick for fun!!....Ricki is a true friend she learned by making her own mistakes what breeding is all about and is highly intelligent. She also in her spare time which is very little to taking care of her father-in-law who is 89 years old and grooms his cats for him....Stating that UKC or other championships other than AKC or Canadian championships are worthless is a direct indication why so many people are turned off from purebreds because of the huge swelled heads and ASSES that wealthy show people have.....then there are the semi-wealthy show breeders who throw down a third place ribbon outside of the gate of a yorkie specialty in disgust because a wealthier well-known politically higher yorkie breeder/judge won over her dog. AKC is all politics and judges give other judges the points over the newer owner/handlers that is why one has to hire a professional handler to finish their dogs AKC championships! Yes, AKC is harder than UKC but there is also other countries that have even harder requirements to finish a dog than the U.S. Does "serious" people interested in breeding and showing only mean the ones with money? Does a low income mean that the person is too stupid to breed correctly or have the ability to learn genetics and be able to watch and observe the dogs that win in the ring and why and watch gait, movement, and the politics of the judges who almost always give the winners dog/bitch to other breeder/judges or professional handlers? And if you are from Canada and come into the U.S. and are wealthy and in the Canadian Yorkie Association almost always the points go to them for having traveled so far....I am not saying their dogs are not the best but I have seen better dogs in their line than some that complete their championships such as no neck or a heavier too dark of a coat and long body (not as balanced as their other champions). I have seen long time breeder judges that are putting dogs in the ring that are absolutely terrible but will win because they are old and well-known and have friends that are other judges so that long bodied, big eared, long muzzled, light coated dog becames a champion because of politics not because the dog is a good specimen just out of respect for the elderly show breeder/judge. It is real hilarious the statement that some have ears but do not hear and some of eyes but do not see because the one that said it is deaf, blind, and has no heart left in her at all only dollar signs and ego and doesn't have any real friends that love you for who you are but only for getting her dogs.......This same person stated "that if one works for a non-profit organization for people less fortunate than you and don't get paid a high wage for doing so then you are ignorant and a worthless individual". This is what the YTCA is coming to, poor sportmanship, not helping novices, belittling people, taking advantage of people who have not studied the breed and selling them pet quality as show quality, judges who are charging handling fees against the rules of AKC, not willing to part with their bloodlines to normal people, that they try to control dogs in the future that don't even have their names on the registration papers, by belittling and threatening people that they are going to blackball them!!!!This is why mutts called designer dogs are being bought for thousands of dollars because of the swelled heads that show breeders have!!!! When thousands of mongrels are being destroyed in our animal shelters every year. Why breed dogs in the first place if you are not willing to part with your puppies? How do newcomers get into the breed if no one is willing to sell them a dog without outrageous stipulations and strings attached for years to come down the line? What happened to gently urging newcomers to buy the right breed books, subscribe to the breed magazines, attend dog handling classes, and watch as many dog shows and specialities as possible to educate them not FORCING THEM to sign contracts for life, FORCING THEM to show whether they are ready to or not? Just an observation and I admire, respect and love Ricki as my good friend and she has beautiful yorkies and she will continue to learn as she goes along just like everyone else that breeds quality dogs!!! Love ya, Ricki!

[wnalegria]

Very well stated. You said a mouthful. I hope that some of the Ultra-egos will sit back and take a look at themselves and their actions.

Once again this thread was started by Ricki for her to show off the puppies.
They are very nice babies- she did very well with this breeding and has evry right to be proud of what she has produced. She picked a male and female who complimented each other- she tried and did breed to the standard. My congratulations.

Ricki has a top of the - line state of the art grooming salon with excellent products. She was at my home several days ago and spoke with my friend and handler Peggy ( who also used to be a groomer). Peggy was very impressed with the products and the knowledge and skill that Ricki is blessed with.

I do not know many people who do not have a hidden adgenda- this lady does not. What you see is what you get- a genuine - caring person who is willing to give and give. She is not judgemental or catty. She listens and looks at both side of a story before making a decision- she wants to treat you fair and with consideration and in return be treated the same way.

Edna- you are fiery and gifted of the written word.

[Ricki]

Thanks so much for all the encouragement and compliments you have all given me. I would love to be able to turn Cut 'N Polished over to a professional handler, but I could not do that to him. He is used to home life with run of the house (not being kenneled) and he handled great for his dad, but not for anyone else. His feelings mean more to me than the AKC title and he is just not the type of dog that would be happy caged and away from home. I plan to breed Suni to one of Fieristars dogs which are beautiful and keep one of the pups which I will turn over to a handler when she is 6 months old. I bred her to the same dog last time and the pups were beautiful. The pup will adjust to the traveling and being with a handler. Cut 'N Polished would not and I will not do anything to make him miserable. My dogs mean everything to me and I want them happy. I do not retire my dogs and get rid of them. I keep them for their lifespan and all 9 have run of my house and are doggie door trained to the outdoor enclosed kennel. They go in and out as they please. There will come a time when mine are to old to breed when I will not be breeding for awhile because I won't make them leave their home. I don't breed for them money, I breed for the enjoyment and being able to sell people healthy beautiful yorkies pet or show. I have sold numerous prospective show pups on spay neuter contracts to pet homes. What I want most for my pups are homes where they will be cared for and loved like part of the family. If I can find that for them I am happy. Once again thankyou everyone for the kind words. It shows there are many very nice people on YT. Ricki

[goldenray]

After rereading this thread numerous times I see RhapsodyYorkies did no more than confront an untruth. This untruth has never been acknowledged. Yet she has been attacked for things never said by her here. And people have to wonder about why we have strict contracts. People complain they have been ripped off for show dogs. Well how important is it then to make sure every word spoken is the truth?

YTCA has been attacked. Let me make it very clear. YTCA does not ONLY promote showing dogs. They also promote good ethics. They do not expect their members to go on public forums and attack others. Confront misrepresentation of course. They promote ethical breeding practices. They promote backing up your puppies placed in other homes. Are there a few bad apples, well sure, isn't there in any organization, but the Great majority of YTCA members are extremely reputable breeders that would not come on a public forum and attack someone without just cause.

I see the whole country of Canada's show dogs have been attacked. Oh my God. They get put up because they traveled so far and the judges just give it to them???
Excuse me they win, because they SHOULD have won. It also is just one judges opinion. I win, another wins, the judge decides that day. The next day the judge might reverse it.

Rich folks only win. Well I guess I am the best person to speak on this since I have to look up to see poverty. You find an occasional political judge, again NOT the majority. If you have a good dog you will finish it's championship.

Contracts? I still have the original email from you fieristar to most of the show exhibitors in the country asking us to buy your dogs with an extremely strict contract. Most of us use contracts to protect our dogs, your concern was to keep them available close to you for stud.

I am no longer shocked at what I read on here or some other forums. A judge has been suspended for a short period of time because a person residing in their home handled dogs for someone which is not permitted. Just to keep clear on this also.

I have to ask how anyone could approve of the things that have gone on here. Confront untruths, we should all do that. That is being opinionated. But being opinionated is quite different than being mean.

[Yorkieville200]

Hi, Cher.

I don't breed or show, so, bear with me. But, could you explain, so us simple folk could understand, what was wrong with Ricki's original post with her puppies for sale?

I remember you , about 9 years years ago, I sent a question to Yorkshire Terrier Magazine, regarding my puppy's coat becoming matted, and you replied that I should lighten up on the conditioner. Well, you were so right! Sydney is now, 10 years old, and I have followed your advice and her long, beautiful coat, rarely mats. So, thank you again!

Sheila