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Old 03-30-2010, 02:52 PM   #1
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Default Small & beautiful AKC female in PA

1. Your name - Terrance Ferragame

2. Your city, state: Mohnton, PA

3. Your phone number: 610-914-6335, 484-905-2488

4. Your email address: terrance@ferragame.com

5. Yorkie(s) For Sale: one girl

6. Birthdate of Yorkie(s): 11/15/2009

7. Age of Yorkie(s): 19 weeks

8. Weight of Yorkie(s) parents: Sire 4.0 lbs
Dame 3.7 lbs.

9. Current weight of Yorkie(s) for sale: 2.1 lbs.

10. Registration if any (AKC, etc): AKC

11. Price: $1800

12. When puppies will be ready to be taken home: Immediately

13. Do you ship your Yorkies: No

14. Any additional information you want to add:

Lyla is the sweetest little girl you'll find. She loves being held and going for car rides. AND she is already housebroken.

For more information, please call or email us. You may also view our website for more information.
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Old 03-30-2010, 04:37 PM   #2
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I've visited your website and observed you have the YTCA Code of Ethics and Conducted listed there and you aren't a member. Are you aware it is unethical to do so. Even for members. But FYI if you were a member or aspire to be one:

OF THE HUNDREDS OF YORKIE BREEDERS I KNOW, NONE OF THEM WOULD EVER ADVERTISE PUPPIES ON WEB SITES SERVERS LIKE YORKIETALK USES.
The very best of breeders have waiting lists for their puppies and therefore have no need to ever advertise puppies for sale. Also good reputable breeders will not ship puppies to people they've never met.

That's not to disparage YorkieTalk since they have no control over the ads that appear on the advertising banners. Their only control would be to spend money for server space that doesn't use advertising to supplement the cost of the service.
You are the one looking in the For Sale sale section. You have over 9000 posts so I assume you are spend a lot of time on Yorkietalk. We're very happy to know that you know hundreds of breeders and how and where they advertise....good for you.

We follow the YTCA code of ethics but you are correct, we are not a member. This is for various reasons including some of the holier than thou members we've met (present company excluded of course). However the code of ethics is a very good business model for a quality breeder to follow. We are firm believers in this code of ethics (regardless if its the YTCA or the tim-buck-too-club-of-America code) so therefore we follow it and post it so prospective buyers know what we believe in as Yorkshire Terrier Breeders.

We typically do not advertise as demand usually exceeds the number of puppies we have. We have one remaining puppy and so therefore decided to advertise on Yorkietalk. We've had good luck with quite a few buyers from this site and have met many nice people.

Since we've never met you, we do not want to disparage you personally however, we do not appreciate your remarks. As to your last paragraph, we are not a banner advertisement (paid advertisement), this section is a free advertisement section. As you may or may not be aware or, there is a paid "for sale" section that many breeders use. we guess they are also not one of the "HUNDREDS OF YORKIE BREEDERS I (you) KNOW" either.

Finally, we believe your comments to be unfounded and somewhat of a personal attack. Your comment that "Also good reputable breeders will not ship puppies to people they've never met." regarding us is unfounded. If you truly examined our website, on our FAQ page, we specifically state we will not ship a puppy by itself. We will only hand deliver a puppy. If it requires a flight, we require the buyer to cover the cost of the airfare so we may deliver the puppy and to allow us to meet them. As this would be a highly unlikely scenario, we don't expect to (ever) ship a puppy.

Good luck in your future and thank you for taking the time to visit our humble website.

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This little girl is adorable!! I need to find a hoodie like that for Chelsea.

But, I am concerned about the dam's small size. Is it customary to breed them when they're so little?
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This little girl is adorable!! I need to find a hoodie like that for Chelsea.

But, I am concerned about the dam's small size. Is it customary to breed them when they're so little?
No it is by no means customary. It can be very dangerous.

To the op.....Good luck finding your baby girl a wonderful home!!!
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You are the one looking in the For Sale sale section. You have over 9000 posts so I assume you are spend a lot of time on Yorkietalk. We're very happy to know that you know hundreds of breeders and how and where they advertise....good for you.

We follow the YTCA code of ethics but you are correct, we are not a member. This is for various reasons including some of the holier than thou members we've met (present company excluded of course). However the code of ethics is a very good business model for a quality breeder to follow. We are firm believers in this code of ethics (regardless if its the YTCA or the tim-buck-too-club-of-America code) so therefore we follow it and post it so prospective buyers know what we believe in as Yorkshire Terrier Breeders.

We typically do not advertise as demand usually exceeds the number of puppies we have. We have one remaining puppy and so therefore decided to advertise on Yorkietalk. We've had good luck with quite a few buyers from this site and have met many nice people.

Since we've never met you, we do not want to disparage you personally however, we do not appreciate your remarks. As to your last paragraph, we are not a banner advertisement (paid advertisement), this section is a free advertisement section. As you may or may not be aware or, there is a paid "for sale" section that many breeders use. we guess they are also not one of the "HUNDREDS OF YORKIE BREEDERS I (you) KNOW" either.

Finally, we believe your comments to be unfounded and somewhat of a personal attack. Your comment that "Also good reputable breeders will not ship puppies to people they've never met." regarding us is unfounded. If you truly examined our website, on our FAQ page, we specifically state we will not ship a puppy by itself. We will only hand deliver a puppy. If it requires a flight, we require the buyer to cover the cost of the airfare so we may deliver the puppy and to allow us to meet them. As this would be a highly unlikely scenario, we don't expect to (ever) ship a puppy.

Good luck in your future and thank you for taking the time to visit our humble website.

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I am a YTCA member. So, that is why your posting "Our" Code of Ethics and Conduct caught my eye. As I said we, the members aren't allowed to post it. It belongs to the YTCA and they alone have the right to it as they own the rights.

Yes, I do have a lot of posts ...but, in anyone of them you will see I don't come here to only promote my dogs....I don't have too. I'm here to educate, not to sell puppies.
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This little girl is adorable!! I need to find a hoodie like that for Chelsea.

But, I am concerned about the dam's small size. Is it customary to breed them when they're so little?
My sister-in-law made the hoodie for Lyla. She has a business in which she makes Yorkshire Terrier bows as well. Her bows are carried by many vendors at AKC shows. They typically ask for her bows to not include a tag - keeps people from contacting our sister-in-law directly to inquire about a direct purchase.

As to Cora (her mother), her weight varies between 3.5 and 4 pounds. Typically she loses a bit of weight after giving birth. We generally won't breed her until she is about 4 lbs. Right now she is 3.5-3.7 lbs but her weight does vary between 3.5 and 4 lbs. overall.

Thanks for the nice comment.
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Cute photos - love the hood-T too.

The size of the dam was my concern too. 3.7 or even 4 pounds is too small, whether a vet gives okay or not. I have a small girl from top winning champion stud at 4 pounds, but would never breed her if I could, since I know she is way too small for breeding. Cute pup and looks like she will be bigger than her parents. That is good.

I think what Mary is saying is that you cannot copy and paste the code of ethics and coduct just as it is from their site word per word to your web site page. That is copy right infringement.

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I am a YTCA member. So, that is why your posting "Our" Code of Ethics and Conduct caught my eye. As I said we, the members aren't allowed to post it. It belongs to the YTCA and they alone have the right to it as they own the rights.

Yes, I do have a lot of posts ...but, in anyone of them you will see I don't come here to only promote my dogs....I don't have too. I'm here to educate, not to sell puppies.
We're happy to know "you" own the code of ethics. If its copyrighted, we'd be happy to pull down the banner saying the YTCA from our website when mentioning the code of ethics and rename (with minor changes at to not infringe on a copyright) it the "Ferragame's Yorkshire Terrier's Code of Ethics". I would think that would promote YTCA but to each their own. we would ask for a letter from the YTCA asking me to do so since we do not know you personally and therefore do not believe you are the voice of the YTCA.

As to selling puppies, we do not come here to just sell puppies either but we do not just post for the sake of posting. We usually respond to posts via PMs.

Again, thanks for the education. Good luck with your puppies.
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She is a cutie! I'm sure she will find a wonderful home!
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Aww, she is adorable!! What a little cutie!!

I hope she finds her forever home soon!!
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We're happy to know "you" own the code of ethics. If its copyrighted, we'd be happy to pull down the banner saying the YTCA from our website when mentioning the code of ethics and rename (with minor changes at to not infringe on a copyright) it the "Ferragame's Yorkshire Terrier's Code of Ethics". I would think that would promote YTCA but to each their own. we would ask for a letter from the YTCA asking me to do so since we do not know you personally and therefore do not believe you are the voice of the YTCA.

As to selling puppies, we do not come here to just sell puppies either but we do not just post for the sake of posting. We usually respond to posts via PMs.

Again, thanks for the education. Good luck with your puppies.
All members of YTCA are their voice....but, I will bring this to the attention of the club's officers.

Thanks for the Luck with my puppies...but, I have none at this time....
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No it is by no means customary. It can be very dangerous.

To the op.....Good luck finding your baby girl a wonderful home!!!
We agree that it can be dangerous. That is one reason we wait until Cora is at least 4 lbs before we breed her.

Also my wife (Eileen) is a vet tech and her practice owner (he has Yorkies as well) will make an emergency trip at anytime to the hospital for us if needed. He has done so before when our Doberman needed an emergency visit at 2 AM. Its very comforting to know you can count on someone in an emergency situation....especially a vet.
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We agree that it can be dangerous. That is one reason we wait until Cora is at least 4 lbs before we breed her.

Also my wife (Eileen) is a vet tech and her practice owner (he has Yorkies as well) will make an emergency trip at anytime to the hospital for us if needed. He has done so before when our Doberman needed an emergency visit at 2 AM. Its very comforting to know you can count on someone in an emergency situation....especially a vet.

That is great you have a vet avaliable for you.
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All members of YTCA are their voice....but, I will bring this to the attention of the club's officers.

Thanks for the Luck with my puppies...but, I have none at this time....
You're welcome.

Of note is that this code of ethics is posted all over the internet. Do a google search and have fun keeping your officers busy writing letters to the thousands of websites that post this information.

Again, if they write us a letter and show its copyrighted information, we'll remove any mention of the YTCA in the page.

In the future, I suggest we continue this through PMs as I do not believe this information is relevant to the contents of this thread. Thank you and have a good day.
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It strikes me as kind of odd to be talking about adhering to a code of ethics while breeding a too small female. I had a gorgeous girl that I placed back in '08 due to her small size. She was 3 1/2 pounds at 10 months. When I took her to my vet for a wellness check before going to her new home, he made a comment about her being such a nice looking dog and that she was perfect for breeding. I just laughed and said no, she's much too small for breeding and she's going to a great pet home. I trust my vet in all things veterinary, but the breeding decisions and responsibilities are mine.
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