Looking for breeding couple

[jodywilliams]

I currently live in Nevada. My grandmother used to breed poodles and my mom used to breed yorkies before she died. I have had dogs all my life and am very good with them. I am looking to start breeding small yorkies as part of not only loving them, but also teaching young women in foster care a possible trade, plus I know that yorkies are great for helping people heal from all kinds of things. The dogs would be with me, but I would have the girls come over to spend time with them during the day. I can also use these dogs to not only teach them breeding, but grooming and training. They will be well loved and also help heal a lot of people in ways only dogs can. I live in Tonopah which is right between Reno and Las Vegas. I don't know if there is a way to get them here. I do have a friend who goes to CA every month that could bring them back to me from there. Besides helping us to help others, I of course will love them very much, and because of our nonprofit they will get a lot of love and care from others. Because we will have a vet sponsoring us they will get excellent care. They might even become famous as I tell the news about our work with them so they will advance the interest in yorkies. I know my mom's yorkies helped her and my grandmother when they were sick and depressed. Elvis was fantastic at keeping my grandmother company when she was in a hospice. This is when I started thinking how great Yorkies would be as medicinal dogs as well as helping these young girls I work with now learn a trade they can do. If you would like to talk to me more about this, you can reach me at jodywilliams@hotmail.com

[Wylie's Mom]

I think you could be onto some good ideas here...and I certainly think you have a big heart, wanting to help young women in foster !

My opinion is that while it could be a great idea to teach Dog Grooming and Training as a "trade", it would not be a good practice to teach Breeding as a "trade".

In my belief, Breeding is a passion, a lifetime commitment, is EXTREMELY complicated and risky for the Mama and Pups - and takes years of Mentoring/learning before you should actually proceed with a first litter. Personally, I would not teach people about breeding unless they have a burning passion and seek to find that path for themselves...otherwise, a little information can be dangerous for the dogs. Just my humble opinion.

[jeanm1963]

Just over the past year reading about pups, breeding and the complications I have to agree!! I think you may be teaching them a quick way to make money, creating BYB's !! Buying a breeding " pair" from a resonsable breeder can be THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS!

[jodywilliams]

I agree. I think I will teach them a lot and help them with healing and job skills by teaching them the dog training and grooming. We also are having an impossible time raising money in this economy, so the ones I sell would support the project. I am disabled, so I am home all day. I know that when breeding you almost need to do that, certainly when the pups are first born. My grandmother used to breed poodles so I am aware. I also know that yorkies need an awful lot of human contact. I agree that I would not teach breeding except in certain cases. One thing though is that many urban youth are breeding pit bulls for money. I don't think anyone wins there, especially when they could be trained to raise yorkies instead. The only reason they don't is not having a mentor and breeding stock. No one however would be part of my project unless they are part of it day in and day out for at least six months. There is a special program being put together as part of new Nevada legislation and they are asking me for ideas. Counseling once a week and job training for jobs they may not be able to handle emotionally for years isn't going to really cut it. I have seen those who make it and those who don't and in the 20 years I have worked with these women I have seen the most healing and progress with the pet owners. I will have a vet helping me and donating care. I would like to get a breeder to mentor me but don't know if one would. I also will be reading up on the subject and talking to other breeders through forums like this. Thanks.

[SET Yorkies]

What about working with rescues rather than breeding... This way, you would teach grooming skills / tech skills and also really make an impact on the growing number of yorkies in need of foster care. My three sons have always been a very important part of our small rescue program and I specifically give the boys responsiblities with my fosters. This way, they are not only learning skills, but also gaining an appreciation for how living beings should be treated. I believe these activies not only give my boys a love of animals, but also they realize how much these sometimes very needy dogs rely on them. It is just made for a very positive situation. The boys are charged with grooming, feeding, playing, ect....

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by jodywilliams

I currently live in Nevada. My grandmother used to breed poodles and my mom used to breed yorkies before she died. I have had dogs all my life and am very good with them. I am looking to start breeding small yorkies as part of not only loving them, but also teaching young women in foster care a possible trade, plus I know that yorkies are great for helping people heal from all kinds of things. The dogs would be with me, but I would have the girls come over to spend time with them during the day. I can also use these dogs to not only teach them breeding, but grooming and training. They will be well loved and also help heal a lot of people in ways only dogs can. I live in Tonopah which is right between Reno and Las Vegas. I don't know if there is a way to get them here. I do have a friend who goes to CA every month that could bring them back to me from there. Besides helping us to help others, I of course will love them very much, and because of our nonprofit they will get a lot of love and care from others. Because we will have a vet sponsoring us they will get excellent care. They might even become famous as I tell the news about our work with them so they will advance the interest in yorkies. I know my mom's yorkies helped her and my grandmother when they were sick and depressed. Elvis was fantastic at keeping my grandmother company when she was in a hospice. This is when I started thinking how great Yorkies would be as medicinal dogs as well as helping these young girls I work with now learn a trade they can do. If you would like to talk to me more about this, you can reach me at jodywilliams@hotmail.com

Let me begin that although your reasons and goals are very commendable, I feel they are not completely thought out. There are already programs in place that provide the service that you wish to embark on.

I don't know how much research you have put into the yorkie breed....but, breeding them is not easy.....especially for the service you wish to provide.....Dogs would have to be very healthy, free from any type of genetic defects and most of all have to be bred for the correct temperament.

Leave the breeding to those that have studied and perfected lines. Purchase spayed/nueter dogs from reputable breeders and implement your program that way......Those dogs would have already been health and temperament tested. These breeders have spent years studying and know what they're doing.....

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by jodywilliams

I agree. I think I will teach them a lot and help them with healing and job skills by teaching them the dog training and grooming. We also are having an impossible time raising money in this economy, so the ones I sell would support the project. I am disabled, so I am home all day. I know that when breeding you almost need to do that, certainly when the pups are first born. My grandmother used to breed poodles so I am aware. I also know that yorkies need an awful lot of human contact. I agree that I would not teach breeding except in certain cases. One thing though is that many urban youth are breeding pit bulls for money. I don't think anyone wins there, especially when they could be trained to raise yorkies instead. The only reason they don't is not having a mentor and breeding stock. No one however would be part of my project unless they are part of it day in and day out for at least six months. There is a special program being put together as part of new Nevada legislation and they are asking me for ideas. Counseling once a week and job training for jobs they may not be able to handle emotionally for years isn't going to really cut it. I have seen those who make it and those who don't and in the 20 years I have worked with these women I have seen the most healing and progress with the pet owners. I will have a vet helping me and donating care. I would like to get a breeder to mentor me but don't know if one would. I also will be reading up on the subject and talking to other breeders through forums like this. Thanks.

Teaching breeding.....mmmmmmm, why? Grooming schools are already available.

Six month training program??????????????? Please reputable/breeders have been studying for years, genetics, pedigrees, whelping. Giving their blood, sweat and tears. It is a passion of perfecting the breed and leaving it better than they found it.

[Brooklynn]

I commend you what you want to do but leave the breeding portain out. Teaching a grooming and training skills will be so much better as breeding will take many years of studing the pedigrees for health issues and ect. Breeding isn't something that can be taught in 6 months. Please, Please reconsider this for teaching breeding isn't to be taken lightly even with a vet on hand!!!! I agree with what everyone else is saying here!!!!

Donna

[jeanm1963]

Originally Posted by SET Yorkies

What about working with rescues rather than breeding... This way, you would teach grooming skills / tech skills and also really make an impact on the growing number of yorkies in need of foster care. My three sons have always been a very important part of our small rescue program and I specifically give the boys responsiblities with my fosters. This way, they are not only learning skills, but also gaining an appreciation for how living beings should be treated. I believe these activies not only give my boys a love of animals, but also they realize how much these sometimes very needy dogs rely on them. It is just made for a very positive situation. The boys are charged with grooming, feeding, playing, ect....

Wow, what a great idea, I love that show on the animal planet that finds dogs in the pound , takes care of them , trains them, grooms them and finds them wonderful home... Its awesome and always brings a tear to my eye!!
As far as teaching them breeding , I am thinking you could be setting them up for failure, If these people are in foster care, how in the world could they come up with the THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of dollars to even begin to breed... a yorkie with breeding rights is so expensive... I know you have free vetting but the students wouldnt..My puppy is 1, I have already spent well over 1000.00 on vetting, including her spay, puppy shots, ear infection and last week a bout with pancreatitis 480.00... They would need money to purchase two pups, vetting for two pups , blood tests for two pups... a safe place for them to live.. have to know how to help mom whelp.. pay 2K for a c section if needed, then have to spay the dog after spending thousands on her...
Contact a rescue, find some puppies that were abandoned , groom them, potty train them, make them feel loved and then find them wonderful forever homes... that would be rewarding expecially for children in foster homes... I dont see how teaching them something they probally wont be able to afford to do would be rewarding.....
If you just got 2 yorkies out of the paper and starting breeding and selling them , that would teach them how to make a quick buck, produce sickly puppies, and become a back yard breeder... and I have read some dont even let thier bitches have a litter but 1 every 2 years. , therefore you program would be on hold for a LONG time in between...

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by jeanm1963

Wow, what a great idea, I love that show on the animal planet that finds dogs in the pound , takes care of them , trains them, grooms them and finds them wonderful home... Its awesome and always brings a tear to my eye!!
As far as teaching them breeding , I am thinking you could be setting them up for failure, If these people are in foster care, how in the world could they come up with the THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of dollars to even begin to breed... a yorkie with breeding rights is so expensive... I know you have free vetting but the students wouldnt..My puppy is 1, I have already spent well over 1000.00 on vetting, including her spay, puppy shots, ear infection and last week a bout with pancreatitis 480.00... They would need money to purchase two pups, vetting for two pups , blood tests for two pups... a safe place for them to live.. have to know how to help mom whelp.. pay 2K for a c section if needed, then have to spay the dog after spending thousands on her...
Contact a rescue, find some puppies that were abandoned , groom them, potty train them, make them feel loved and then find them wonderful forever homes... that would be rewarding expecially for children in foster homes... I dont see how teaching them something they probally wont be able to afford to do would be rewarding.....
If you just got 2 yorkies out of the paper and starting breeding and selling them , that would teach them how to make a quick buck, produce sickly puppies, and become a back yard breeder... and I have read some dont even let thier bitches have a litter but 1 every 2 years. , therefore you program would be on hold for a LONG time in between...

Great idea....

Since, I went back and read your profile....something I make common practice of....May I ask you what happened to Elvis? Please don't take my question as anything other than concerned about a yorky's welfare.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

My opinion is that while it could be a great idea to teach Dog Grooming and Training as a "trade", it would not be a good practice to teach Breeding as a "trade".

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Let me begin that although your reasons and goals are very commendable, I feel they are not completely thought out. There are already programs in place that provide the service that you wish to embark on.

I think that you are approaching the situation from the wrong angle. You seem to be under the impression that breeding is a profitable job skill, or "project", that will better enable the underprivledged to better provide for themselves and develop into more productive members of society. I am sorry to say, but that is not at all realistic or accurate.

I have to agree with what these two ladies have stated. Although your claimed goals are noble, they are, unfortunately, not very realistic. Breeding is not a "trade" that will enable anyone to support themselves finacially. The experience you claiming that you want to assist these people in having can be easily achieved by volunteering with shelters or rescue groups. (Which would be a much better option...the same results you want would be achieved and some organizations would get some much needed help!)

Also, despite your background, you are going to be hard pressed to find a REPUTABLE breeder willing to hand over, for any amount, a QUALITY dog with full breeding rights to you, no questions asked. (REPUTABLE and QUALITY being the key phrases here.)

And as far as "the ones you sell supporting the project"...wishful thinking. By the time you figure in all the costs and overhead required to breed in an ethcial manner as opposed to being another dime-a-dozen BYBer, most breeders end up in the hole and never see a penny of profit. Basically, breeding is not something that should be classified as a "project." It should be your primary focus and main concern...at from the sounds of it, it would not be--it would be secondary and a tool used to implement job training into your other contributions, which seem like your true main concerns. (Which is very honorable.)

One thing though is that many urban youth are breeding pit bulls for money. I don't think anyone wins there, especially when they could be trained to raise yorkies instead.

I'm not even sure how you have come up with the conclusion. There is SOOOO much that could be said that is wrong with this statement and it honestly makes me sick to my stomach to imagine that you feel the lack of a mentor and training is why people choose to do this...and to attempt to merely replace the Pit Bulls and replace them with Yorkies instead? Really sort of makes me sick to my stomach. Would you not think that taking these same people who 'lack a mentor and training' would not benefit more from volunteering their time with a rescue organization or shelter?

[livingdustmops]

I struggle with this whole thread also because puppies are not product and teaching young teens to make $$$ off of them is sad to me. I went to your website about helping people with prostitution and I don't understand why you want to do the same thing but with dogs. This breaks my heart when you can help teens with rescue animals that also need help. It is a win win for everyone.

Another thing you need to look at is that everyone is jumping on the bandwagon breeding dogs because they see it as a cheap way to make $$$$ so you might want to start looking at dog ads in your paper and on line and you will see all the different ads sellling dogs. The prices keep coming down and down on Yorkies because everyone is doing it.

You also need to understand close to 5 million animals are euthanized every year due to the overpopulation of pets (this includes Yorkies) and you would be adding to this problem.

I hope you will rethink this whole program.

[BamaFan121s]

To the OP...
I noticed that you posted just a few days ago looking to find and breed "teacup" Yorkies. On top of the fact that there is no such thing as a 'teacup' Yorkie, use of the term is basically taboo amongst reputable breeders and enthusiasts. I am a bit concerned by the fact that you are unaware of this, yet you are actively looking to acquire a breeding pair (and also disturbed that there are actually people offering them to you ). It suggests that maybe you have a lot of learning about the breed to do before you actively try your hand in it, much less before you mentor other people on breeding.

On a side note, I checked out your site and read over your story and interview. Let me just say, good for you! What you have overcome and the direction you have taken your life and the strides you have made to help others are truly inspiring!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

I think that you are approaching the situation from the wrong angle. You seem to be under the impression that breeding is a profitable job skill, or "project", that will better enable the underprivledged to better provide for themselves and develop into more productive members of society. I am sorry to say, but that is not at all realistic or accurate.

I have to agree with what these two ladies have stated. Although your claimed goals are noble, they are, unfortunately, not very realistic. Breeding is not a "trade" that will enable anyone to support themselves finacially. The experience you claiming that you want to assist these people in having can be easily achieved by volunteering with shelters or rescue groups. (Which would be a much better option...the same results you want would be achieved and some organizations would get some much needed help!)

Also, despite your background, you are going to be hard pressed to find a REPUTABLE breeder willing to hand over, for any amount, a QUALITY dog with full breeding rights to you, no questions asked. (REPUTABLE and QUALITY being the key phrases here.)

And as far as "the ones you sell supporting the project"...wishful thinking. By the time you figure in all the costs and overhead required to breed in an ethcial manner as opposed to being another dime-a-dozen BYBer, most breeders end up in the hole and never see a penny of profit. Basically, breeding is not something that should be classified as a "project." It should be your primary focus and main concern...at from the sounds of it, it would not be--it would be secondary and a tool used to implement job training into your other contributions, which seem like your true main concerns. (Which is very honorable.)

One thing though is that many urban youth are breeding pit bulls for money. I don't think anyone wins there, especially when they could be trained to raise yorkies instead.

I'm not even sure how you have come up with the conclusion. There is SOOOO much that could be said that is wrong with this statement and it honestly makes me sick to my stomach to imagine that you feel the lack of a mentor and training is why people choose to do this...and to attempt to merely replace the Pit Bulls and replace them with Yorkies instead? Really sort of makes me sick to my stomach. Would you not think that taking these same people who 'lack a mentor and training' would not benefit more from volunteering their time with a rescue organization or shelter?

Let me add that there are several prisoner facilities that have programs in place that train the inmates on dog training and grooming skills. Since these shelters spay/nueter their dogs prior to placing, I don't think they have a training program for breeding dogs.

[Mardelin]

It is being noted that you are looking at other areas of YT forums to obtain dogs that are intact......

Please stop.......